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    Breville 800es + Sunbeam EM0440

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    Hi all,

    I hope I am not posting this in the wrong spot! I apologise if I am.

    I have a Breville 800es which I have had for some years now, I like it. Along with a Sunbeam EM0440 Grinder.

    I have been grinding on around 9-10 and it is still extracting too quick. So I am after some tips.

    Have tried it on lower around 8 or so too and similar thing is happening. I have noticed nearly any setting the coffee puck is still very watery, or has water on top when I remove the portifilter. From my understanding it should come out compacted yet sort of dry-ish. Nice firm disc to tap out.

    Anyway.

    Thanks in advance to anyone that can throw some knowledge this way.

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    Bump for help.

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    The Breville 800ES does not have a solenoid valve to release the pressure after the shot has completed like other higher end machines do.

    This means the water is not evacuated from the puck after extraction, thus, you see water on the puck.

    Getting a finer grind and a better extraction will usually cause there to be less water on the puck. The issue here is most likely with your EM0440.

    If the grinder hasn't been shimmed, and being that it is an older model, it probably is not grinding fine enough for espresso. To check and see if it has any shims installed, remove the adjustment collar and outer burr so the centre burr is exposed. Then, get a 10mm spanner or socket and give a sharp clockwise twist to the nut holding the burr down.
    It is a left hand thread so undoes clockwise and does up anti-clockwise.

    Once the centre burr is removed, have a look and see if there are any small metal washers below where the burr sits. If so, it means the grinder has been shimmed in the past.
    You may need to add more shims to compensate for wear on the burrs or the burrs may be worn to the point that they can no longer provide a suitable grind.

    If there are no shims at all, contact Sunbeam directly and ask for them to send you some shims for your grinder, they should be able to supply them.

    Once the shims are installed, play with the adjustment and see if you can get a better shot. If even with the addition of shims you are still getting a poor extraction, probably go and get a new grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    The Breville 800ES does not have a solenoid valve to release the pressure after the shot has completed like other higher end machines do.

    This means the water is not evacuated from the puck after extraction, thus, you see water on the puck.

    Getting a finer grind and a better extraction will usually cause there to be less water on the puck. The issue here is most likely with your EM0440.

    If the grinder hasn't been shimmed, and being that it is an older model, it probably is not grinding fine enough for espresso. To check and see if it has any shims installed, remove the adjustment collar and outer burr so the centre burr is exposed. Then, get a 10mm spanner or socket and give a sharp clockwise twist to the nut holding the burr down.
    It is a left hand thread so undoes clockwise and does up anti-clockwise.

    Once the centre burr is removed, have a look and see if there are any small metal washers below where the burr sits. If so, it means the grinder has been shimmed in the past.
    You may need to add more shims to compensate for wear on the burrs or the burrs may be worn to the point that they can no longer provide a suitable grind.

    If there are no shims at all, contact Sunbeam directly and ask for them to send you some shims for your grinder, they should be able to supply them.

    Once the shims are installed, play with the adjustment and see if you can get a better shot. If even with the addition of shims you are still getting a poor extraction, probably go and get a new grinder.
    Hi, thanks for the reply.

    The grinder has no shims, no. It hasn't been used a whole lot, I know if I put the grind setting down to 1-5 or so and tamp down fairly hard I can actually cause the machine to not be able to extract any of the espresso. So would it be perhaps a suggestion to try on a lower setting, tamp and see if I can slow the rate of extraction to a suitable time?

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    Breville 800es + Sunbeam EM0440

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    Quote Originally Posted by common47 View Post
    So would it be perhaps a suggestion to try on a lower setting, tamp and see if I can slow the rate of extraction to a suitable time?
    Yes. Adjust the grinder one step at a time.



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