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    What am I doing wrong with my shot from my Lelit PL60?

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    Hi all!

    I purchased a new Lelit PL 60 a few months ago after my Classic Gaggia died.
    I'm loving it, at times. Sometimes I feel the shots I was pulling from the Gaggia would be a bit creamier and thicker than the ones I'm getting so far from my Lelit. They often seem a bit watery, pale and thin from my PL60.

    I've tried a number of different options. Finer grind, thicker grind, more coffee, less coffee...
    The best I'm getting at the moment seems to be in this video. Not much crema... and fits the above description. Ends up with a sloppy puck too.

    Is it the wrong grind? Is the water temp wrong (and is it possible to change?)? Not enough beans?

    Any thoughts? I tried to post the whole process. Forgive some of the out of focus moments!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMq_SbaB2_s

    Scott

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    How fresh is your coffee

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    Looks like stale coffee is a real possibility. Other possibilities are-
    dose too high and grind too course
    grinder not working well (too old, not set properly)

    I'd suggest lowering your dose to about 15-16g then making your grind fine enough to choke the machine. Work backwards from there, maintaining the same dose size the whole time, until you find the sweet spot.

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    Yeh that was the other thought - would it make a difference with a better grinder? I've modded the breville to make it a much finer grind.
    I will try a lower dose.
    The coffee was roasted 5 Oct. But even when it's fresher or different source of beans it's not much different.

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    Then play with the grind and if that doesn't work try changing the dose. only make one change at a time so you can identify the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottlavender View Post
    Yeh that was the other thought - would it make a difference with a better grinder? I've modded the breville to make it a much finer grind.
    I will try a lower dose.
    The coffee was roasted 5 Oct. But even when it's fresher or different source of beans it's not much different.
    You're on the right track. The video of your shot actually looks ok to me, but I can see what you're talking about. What does it taste like if you taste the espresso straight away? If it tastes ok and is hot enough then you don't have too much to worry about. If it still leaves a bit to be desired then keep fine tuning. I take it it's the older model grinder? The BCG800? It might have reached the limits of its performance. The other thing is it might need a good clean out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottlavender View Post
    Hi all!

    I purchased a new Lelit PL 60 a few months ago after my Classic Gaggia died.
    I'm loving it, at times. Sometimes I feel the shots I was pulling from the Gaggia would be a bit creamier and thicker than the ones I'm getting so far from my Lelit. They often seem a bit watery, pale and thin from my PL60.

    I've tried a number of different options. Finer grind, thicker grind, more coffee, less coffee...
    The best I'm getting at the moment seems to be in this video. Not much crema... and fits the above description. Ends up with a sloppy puck too.

    Is it the wrong grind? Is the water temp wrong (and is it possible to change?)? Not enough beans?

    Any thoughts? I tried to post the whole process. Forgive some of the out of focus moments!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMq_SbaB2_s

    Scott
    Hi Scott, after you tamp your coffee maybe don't hit the sides of your portafilter with the tamper, it mite upset the puck. And also in your video when you show us the tamped coffee I can see some coffee stuck to the side of the basket, maybe your tampa is just slightly to small for the basket and then the water is finding this and producing a less creamier - thicker shot.
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    Morning Scott, the ground coffee coming from your grinder looks to be clumping horribly, your beans roasted 5th Oct are now a month old, if not well stored could certainly be past their best, are they stored in a one way valve bag with air excluded?

    Very light tamp.

    40+ second pour too long.

    Yep, puck certainly very wet, perhaps ground too fine.

    Looking at the way the grounds have been moved around perhaps coffee may be a little close to the shower screen.

    I would source some freshly roasted beans, grind a touch coarser, reduce the dose by about a gram and tamp a little harder, make minor adjustments from there.

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    Yes, the pour doesn't look too bad perhaps a bit too long and a bit thin. You didn't mention how the shots tasted.

    A different machine introduces a new set of variables. Change one variable at a time. You've been playing around with the grind without success. As others have mentioned, try fresher beans: roasted in the last week.



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