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Thread: What would you do with a $4K budget?

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    What would you do with a $4K budget?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Would you get a 3K machine and 1K grinder or spend 2K on each?

    There seems to be a significant difference in quality with dropping or increasing $1000 either way..........

    Thanks in advance.

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    With a grinder like the M4D available for around $1K-ish, you're really not going to get much more leverage until you head toward large conicals at $2-3K, which is a huge step up and reasonably unnecessary for home use.
    FWIW I reckon an M4D type grinder plus $2.5K on just about any HX machine (and there are many around) is about the sweet spot on your budget.

    I'm still using a 7-8 year old Diadema Reale – with very few issues and no real upgraditis to speak of.

    (Although a lever machine… hmmmmmm)

    Cheers Matt

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    Thanks Matt.

    The diversity of machines available makes choosing difficult, but advice such as yours is a big help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    FWIW I reckon an M4D type grinder plus $2.5K on just about any HX machine (and there are many around) is about the sweet spot on your budget.


    Cheers Matt
    Keep in mind that your grinder, if bought well, will outlive your espresso machine.

    M4D, Mazzer, Rocket, Profitec etc. Lots of choices. Buy well because your coffee is as good as your grinder. Machine comes second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    FWIW I reckon an M4D type grinder plus $2.5K on just about any HX machine (and there are many around) is about the sweet spot on your budget.
    Spot on IMO; unless you have a preference for conical flavours - in which case there are bargains to be had (still wish I'd held onto my Fiorenzato...).

    Happy with my ECM V-Titan 64, for all intents and purposes the Profi S-64 would be just as good. Leaves you with plenty of budget/options for your machine.

    Although... levers *drools*
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    Negative to the above post. Get the best grinder your budget will allow without stepping down in machine specs and quality.
    Woodwork and other bling won't make your coffee any better.

    +1 to Matt @designingbycoffee You have the budget to get the best of both worlds.

    My first grinders were Macaps, one at home, one at work. Sold both when I went commercial, the Macap that went next door is still grinding out top quality coffee and has never needed any repairs. It's close to 10 years old. The Mazzer is good, solid and reliable but side by side I would choose the Macap M4D every time.
    Plenty to choose from when it comes to machines in the $2k-$2.7k range. A package buy from the same dealer might even get you some extras thrown in or an even better deal than what's on paper..... you can only ask.
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    Thanks to all for your advice. Much appreciated.

    I am leaning towards getting the best grinder I can and getting a machine with the balance. Should be able to get something decent for 4K or a bit over (for both). Who knows, I might increase the budget a bit more.

    Not making the mistake of wishing I went a step up to get something better. I want to get the decision right first go.

    It seems to be taking me forever to make a decision but have been reading everything on here to make an informed choice.

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    I recently spent a similar amount, my wife got the machine she wanted and I got the grinder I wanted I spent just under $1500 on the grinder and $2500 on the machine. There are many excellent machines around the $2500 mark and that will leave you enough to get a great grinder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    I recently spent a similar amount, my wife got the machine she wanted and I got the grinder I wanted I spent just under $1500 on the grinder and $2500 on the machine. There are many excellent machines around the $2500 mark and that will leave you enough to get a great grinder
    Thanks Stan.

    Had a look at a different thread and saw you got a LaPavoni Cellini Premium and a Fausto.
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    Correct. Still trying to get the steam right but I am getting better. Both machines are easy to use and the Fausto is performing as a grinder of this level should. Not disappointed in either.
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    Black Super Jolly E in for sale section for $800, that leaves $3200 for a shiny new espresso machine!!!! --Just sayin'!!

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    Having 10+ grinders on your bench for a couple of months means diddly squat. The amount of plastic gears and other components in cheaper will start to tell in a couple of years when the burrs won't stay exactly in place and grind distribution gets wobbly and other dollar related issues come to the surface.

    Put 10+ 5 year old grinders +/- $1k to a taste test and things might be a little different.....

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    So which ~$500 grinders are you thinking of that have plastic gears/burr carriers or other functional components @chokkiedog?

    As far as I'm aware, the popular choices in that category all have a reputation for rock-solid longevity. A bigger spend gets you more bling and more bells and whistles, and faster performance if you step up to a bigger burr set. But I haven't seen any credible suggestion of better longevity (in fact, possibly the opposite given the electronics in digital timers).
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    Hi Matt,

    I am with you on on longevity of the good stuff but I wouldn't worry too much about digital timers and their associated electronics. I recall replacing a board and display in a M7D- long story but it involved an unattended Faema e-61 and a failed boiler gasket. It was literally raining from the ceiling! Also, a couple of touchpads in small batch of Compak K and F series which either died early or were perfect. Other than that, nada and I have seen a few...

    Sounds to me like the OP has things pretty much sussed and is heading in the right direction. Like chokki, I'd also suggest it's best to try to avoid grinders with plakky internals...

    2mcm
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    Thank you all for your help. Much appreciated.

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    The $500 grinder range are solid but i would spend more to get speed and a noise reduction. M4d, fausto something like that then rest on an e61 equipped hx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    The $500 grinder range are solid but i would spend more to get speed and a noise reduction. M4d, fausto something like that then rest on an e61 equipped hx.
    The quietest grinder that I have come across recently is the new Eureka ATOM.

    Ticks a lot of boxes in my opinion

    Worth considering

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFM60 View Post
    Would you get a 3K machine and 1K grinder or spend 2K on each?

    There seems to be a significant difference in quality with dropping or increasing $1000 either way..........

    Thanks in advance.


    Everywhere I go I'm being told that the grinder is really important because it determines the quality of grounds, which directly responds to the quality of coffee in the cup. So I would go with a really good grinder first and foremost. Also, from what my research for my own coffee business is slowly showing me, is that the price of the coffee machine often relates to brandname, visual appeal, whether it's vintage or a pretty colour, or the complexity of the computerised functions.

    The more complex the computer function of the machine, the more expensive it is, plus the more prone it is to service issues etc. At least, that's what experts are telling me as I do my research.

    I have decided for my own purposes that I'm buying a pretty great grinder, and a mid-level coffee machine. Interested in other peoples' views.
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    I found going and having a look at the machines in the flesh helped. I agree get the best grinder you can afford. Most of the grinders (flat burr) in the $900 -1500 will do the job. If you are after a conical burr grinder then there will be an increase in the cost unless you buy second hand. As most of these are commercial or semi-commercial grinders they are usually bomb proof.
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    Thanks CoffeeLoveVan and Stan.

    All good advice I'll take on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    The quietest grinder that I have come across recently is the new Eureka ATOM.

    Ticks a lot of boxes in my opinion

    Worth considering

    Antony
    Thanks Antony.

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    If I was to do it all again I'd get a profitec pro 500 and T64 grinder package from Jetblackespresso, who currently have that package listed for $4098. When shopping for a machine up to 3k I considered the profitec 500 vs similarly priced machines from rocket and ecm. I thought the profitec to be the least visually appealing of the lot (at the time) so looked for every reason not to get one. At each stage I was drawn back to profitec for it's durable design and usability which trumped the others.

    http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/s...fitec-pro-500/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heston View Post
    I thought the profitec to be the least visually appealing of the lot (at the time) so looked for every reason not to get one. At each stage I was drawn back to profitec for it's durable design and usability which trumped the others.

    http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/s...fitec-pro-500/
    Absolutely +1

    (Do people on forums still do the +1 thing? Haha)
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ....or this. Custom order, arrived today. ECM Mechanika IV PROFI (Rotary) with gloss black panels matched to Quamar Q50P in gloss black... nice

    That Mechanika IV looks so nice!!! Don't want to get this thread side-tracked... but how does that compare to some of the other ones you stock? (ones I saw and am interested L.P and Mara from my visit to your place last Sunday!) so pretty tho and can always dream about it...
    Unlike cycling, the formula of N+1 does not apply to coffee machines!
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    No worries with thread side tracking scho047. Feel free to ask questions.

    We don't know if we don't ask. Buying an espresso machine and grinder is a complex business.
    Ask away..........
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    well i have my mind sort of set between two machines.... but also like the look of this one.... hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ....or this. Custom order, arrived today. ECM Mechanika IV PROFI (Rotary) with gloss black panels matched to Quamar Q50P in gloss black... nice

    Beautiful, what did the black panels cost if you don't mind me asking Paul?

    That is the exact machine I want as soon as I finish paying for a wedding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WME View Post
    Beautiful, what did the black panels cost if you don't mind me asking Paul?

    That is the exact machine I want as soon as I finish paying for a wedding.
    Black and stainless together does look good. IMO.
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    Definitely spend more on the machine - So many limitations on poorer quality machines...Grinder is something you can build up with over time! Having said that, since buying my $50 aeropress my espresso machine has been gathering dust!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigershein View Post
    Definitely spend more on the machine - So many limitations on poorer quality machines...Grinder is something you can build up with over time! Having said that, since buying my $50 aeropress my espresso machine has been gathering dust!
    I respectfully but vehemently disagree. Almost any machine with a pump (or lever) can be coaxed into making a great cuppa if you know how to work with it's foibles, so long as you give it good water and great coffee. Great coffee means not only fresh and freshly ground, but also ground suitably for espresso.

    Give me a Silvia and a kony over a rocket and a sunbeam grinder any day. For a lower cash outlay at that!

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    Yep single boilers are a pain. I learnt on a silvia and my rocket makes things so much easier.
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    Perhaps, but that is not the subject of the post I quoted and replied to.

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    I agree with that MF. Your comparison is:
    1. prosumer single boiler machine and large commercial conical burr grinder
    vs
    2. prosumer HX machine and appliance grinder

    No question at all that #1 is a better choice as the appliance grinder is an instant fail.

    However......

    What would you think if we changed the choice to:
    1. prosumer single boiler machine and large commercial conical burr grinder
    vs
    2. prosumer HX machine and small commercial planar burr grinder

    To me there's no question that #2 wins this one!

    What do you think?

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    When you purchase your first set of espresso gear, option 2) is going to exceed your expectations by far. When you are an accomplished home barista (or consider yourself to be one) who is looking to upgrade, you are likely to set the bar higher.
    With the exchange rate of the Austr dollar to the Euro and prices that I have seen being quoted, my prelim conclusion is that the bang for the buck is less down under than it would be in Europe. For the equivalent of $4k I would consider an upgrade to a Bezzera Strega or perhaps a Galatea Domus paired with a larger planar burr commercial grinder. Excessive retention would probably be a deal breaker for me though, so I would do some research there first.
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