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    My household ran out of beans this week, creating great distress for the coffee drinkers.

    I work interstate and wasn’t around to get more of the family favorite (varies between CS Peru Organic and the Signature Blend from another roaster), so based on this thread I said go to Aldi and grab the medium roast.

    I must say they are not bad at all. After backing off the grind a tiny bit I am getting decent espresso with 24g in and 46-48 out over 25ish seconds. It has a very good crema and tasted of caramel without the bitterness I was expecting. In a latte the subtleties of the flavour are lost, but is still way better than the coffee I get when interstate.

    I might try the dark roast for milk based drinks.
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    About a decade ago, some of the old Sunshine biscuits were made by Arnotts, I saw some go down the production line... I got to checking at the local supermarket at the time and checked where the other supermarket biscuits were made and found that some of the Coles or Woolies brand biscuits were made in Indonesia. It didn't surprise me Sunshine were made at Arnotts as large companies often make products for other companies. But I wasn't expecting biscuits to be made O/S.

    I found the Aldi beans bitter and also better with milk....Didn't go full on indulgent like you Erimus though, splashing the Pauls cream into it...Looxury, said in the 4 Yorkshiremen voices.

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    Curiosity got the better of me so I picked up a bag of the Aldi Lazzio Dark Roast to try during a recent shopping trip. First thing noticed was that the batch I had was not a dark roast but a medium to light medium roast depth. Tried it a few times over the next week at different grind settings but found it to be lacking any real body or pleasing flavor. Maybe just a dodgy batch but if I need a supermarket fill in between roasts I'll stick with the Lavazza Perfetto Espresso from Coles. Still find it pleasing after at least 3 days passes from opening and exposure to fresh air. Dialing in to a finer grind still does the job for us when we run out of fresh roasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy View Post
    About a decade ago, some of the old Sunshine biscuits were made by Arnotts, I saw some go down the production line... I got to checking at the local supermarket at the time and checked where the other supermarket biscuits were made and found that some of the Coles or Woolies brand biscuits were made in Indonesia. It didn't surprise me Sunshine were made at Arnotts as large companies often make products for other companies. But I wasn't expecting biscuits to be made O/S.

    I found the Aldi beans bitter and also better with milk....Didn't go full on indulgent like you Erimus though, splashing the Pauls cream into it...Looxury, said in the 4 Yorkshiremen voices.

    Cheers.
    You really should try cream, it further disguises bitter coffee brewed by filter, french press, or aeropress methods. I've tried various creams and Paul's seems about the best as it's thinnish and emulsifies well. This is the nearest I've been able to come up with to get half and half which is widely used in North America, but not available here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    You really should try cream, it further disguises bitter coffee brewed by filter, french press, or aeropress methods. I've tried various creams and Paul's seems about the best as it's thinnish and emulsifies well.
    I don't know if you will get much agreement here about cream but if it works for you, go ahead.
    The best way to deal with bitter coffee is to learn to make it properly rather than try to cover it up. If you are using good quality, fresh beans and a good grinder, there's no need to have to endure bad coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    I don't know if you will get much agreement here about cream but if it works for you, go ahead.
    I've been known to put a heaped teaspoon of good quality cream on top of a shot, not to disguise anything, it's simply a very nice combination.

    "The best way to deal with bitter coffee is to learn to make it properly rather than try to cover it up. If you are using good quality, fresh beans and a good grinder, there's no need to have to endure bad coffee."

    Never were truer words said..

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    In another life I have dabbled a little bit with soda and cream syphons...I actually have two, a thermal ISI one and an ordinary ISI... I haven't used them for a couple of years because of my undisciplined aproach to eating nice food which in excess is not good for you...I do have quite a few cream and soda charges. I might get a syphon out soon and have a little play with it making a few Vienna coffees and a couple of coffee desserts...Then I will clean it up and very quickly put it away again ...Because I'm still learning, my shots don't always come out 100 per cent...I'll try that Pauls cream as mentioned. Believe it or not I actually understand what you are talking about when mentioning North America coffee and cream cream...

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    Pura double thick cream is my preference, no need to whip or improve in any way, brilliant right out of the container.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    I don't know if you will get much agreement here about cream but if it works for you, go ahead.
    The best way to deal with bitter coffee is to learn to make it properly rather than try to cover it up. If you are using good quality, fresh beans and a good grinder, there's no need to have to endure bad coffee.


    We know how to make good coffee. This thread is about getting decent drinkable coffee from cheapo Aldi beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    We know how to make good coffee. This thread is about getting decent drinkable coffee from cheapo Aldi beans.
    ...and this is CoffeeSnobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    We know how to make good coffee. This thread is about getting decent drinkable coffee from cheapo Aldi beans.
    Hmmmm, when someone claims to know how to make good coffee, then tells me they are on a quest to get "decent drinkable coffee from cheapo Aldi beans."

    the red flag goes up.

    "decent drinkable coffee from cheapo Aldi beans." this statement smacks of Alchemy.

    Alchemy
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    2.any magical power or process of transmuting a common substance, usually of little value, into a substance of great value.



    3. any seemingly magical process of transforming or combining elements into something new:"
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    ^^^

    Nothing to do with alchemy, so get off that high horse of yours. We are talking about beans that cost just under $11 per kilo as opposed to around the the $40 mark for a kilo of fresh beans. You haven't tried these beans yet, so until you do give it a rest. For the price they make very good coffee indeed, so stop being a snob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    ^^^

    Nothing to do with alchemy, so get off that high horse of yours. We are talking about beans that cost just under $11 per kilo as opposed to around the the $40 mark for a kilo of fresh beans. You haven't tried these beans yet, so until you do give it a rest. For the price they make very good coffee indeed, so stop being a snob.
    "We are talking about beans that cost just under $11 per kilo" exactly, most of us pay more per kg for our green beans than this, I can certainly tell where the extra money goes, obviously many cant, which is good, creates a market for the sweepings.

    Yep, I admit it, I'm a Coffee Snob, I know and enjoy good coffee, and that's not going to stop.

    We can also buy fillet steak at our local supermarket for around $20 a kg, some claim it to be good, its rubbish, I've tried it, like most things you get exactly what you pay for.

    Alchemy.
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    Just reading back through this thread, I think the majority of posters think that these beans are not their first preference, rather a bean they would like to use in an emergency, personally, as an emergency, I like the CIBO beans the supermarkets sell (each man to his own I guess) I'm happy I gave the Aldi medium roast beans a try. One day, probably in the distant future I might give the dark roast Aldi beans a try, but yeah, as an emergency, I'll stick with other beans.

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    Trip to the smoke yesterday, made a point of finding an Aldi store, bought a KG of Lazzio dark roast beans, best before 29th June 2019

    Looked to be well roasted around CS8.

    Pulled a couple of shots last night to establish the dose and grind.

    First impressions, pour was quite thin, not the usual viscous gloopy ooze I'm accustomed to, surprisingly good crema.

    Pulled a few more shots this AM, then the taste test, what can I say, thin mouth feel, harsh, ashy, almost astringent, sour taste, not a hint of chocolate, in fact not much of anything at all.

    The blurb on the attractive package makes mention of "Arabica and Robusta coffees but tells us nothing about whats in the bag, other than a mention of dark chocolate, caramel and orange zest (someone has quite an imagination) I suspect from the good crema, rough taste of the coffee and appearance of the beans that there is a large percentage of Robusta.

    The only surprise I received was the crema, very good, it was all rapidly down hill from there, pretty much as I'd expect from a coffee I paid $11.50 a KG for.

    Perhaps it suits the taste of some, I'm not one of them.

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    ^^^

    Ya boo! You could have given them half a chance and gone for the medium roast, which is acceptable for milky drinks Dark roast as you know is not popular in Australia and was bound to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Trip to the smoke yesterday, made a point of finding an Aldi store, bought a KG of Lazzio dark roast beans, best before 29th June 2019

    Looked to be well roasted around CS8.

    Pulled a couple of shots last night to establish the dose and grind.

    First impressions, pour was quite thin, not the usual viscous gloopy ooze I'm accustomed to, surprisingly good crema.

    Pulled a few more shots this AM, then the taste test, what can I say, thin mouth feel, harsh, ashy, almost astringent, sour taste, not a hint of chocolate, in fact not much of anything at all.

    The blurb on the attractive package makes mention of "Arabica and Robusta coffees but tells us nothing about whats in the bag, other than a mention of dark chocolate, caramel and orange zest (someone has quite an imagination) I suspect from the good crema, rough taste of the coffee and appearance of the beans that there is a large percentage of Robusta.

    The only surprise I received was the crema, very good, it was all rapidly down hill from there, pretty much as I'd expect from a coffee I paid $11.50 a KG for.

    Perhaps it suits the taste of some, I'm not one of them.
    Good on ya mate for giving them a go!

    I bought the medium roast recently to run through my new burrs, pulled a fair few shots and sampling here and there. Was drinkable... but not great. Some nice choc/toffee flavours, but the aftertaste was interesting and not really pleasant... might need a bit more playing with though to see what I can get with them. It was stated earlier that they found a few days after opening that it got much better.

    The medium would actually be slightly darker in roast than what I would usually go, I don't know if I'll venture into the dark roast! But all in all I found it drinkable, just had some unpleasantness, but would need more time to play with it.

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    I think Yelta's description and assessment is good...At least he went and tried some of the beans the OP was talking about and gave them a fair go...Not surprisingly, he did not like them and disagrees with the OP but I think putting your opinion down here is what this thread is all about...I also believe Yelta would correct himself if he thought the beans were fine.

    Hey Yelta, throw a dollop of your Pura double thick cream into a cup of freshly ground Aldi beans and let's know what you think

    Cheers.

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    What this exercise has underlined for me is what excellent value for money Coffee Snobs beans are, both green and roasted.

    If you enjoy quality coffee at fair prices give em a go.

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    Hi all, I have just started making espresso/milk drinks at home.

    I have a Kitchen Aid dual boiler and Breville Smart Grinder Pro. I spent last week going through 700g of Aldi Lazzio medium roast, dialling in the grind (18g in, 40g out in 18s is the closest I have got).

    Looking at all the roasted beans available for sale on beanbay, I'm not ready to go up to the $40/kg level yet.

    Is there a mid level for those who are just getting into making coffee at home?

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    Rex I don't think you will find a goldilocks price to suit you. At the top of the thread you can see other supermarket roasts at $22, but people are saying not as good as Aldi. $40 for boutique roasters is the cheapest I have seen in the last year, assume because it is mail order. Walk in in my area is high forties to early fifties.

    If you are liking the Aldi why not use them and treat yourself to something else on a special occasion to see if there is anything you are missing
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    The Aldi saga continues.

    Been away camping over the past week, had most of the Aldi dark roast left so took them to feed the French press/plunger.

    Whilst the Aldi beans were a failure in the espresso department, ground a little coarser and brewed in the plunger the resulting brew was quite acceptable, so, if this is your method of making coffee perhaps the Aldi beans will fill the bill.

    Tried them again as espresso on my return home, well past it now, surprisingly the shots are still showing very good crema, just taste like crap, wonder if the do anything in the roasting process, or is it the Robusta doing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    I've heard about this (Aldi Lazzio) a few times and another one that pops up regularly is Harris Coffee. There was some talk around the best before date minus 1 year is an indication of the roast date but I'm not sure how accurate this is. Would be interested to see if anyone can confirm though!

    I've been thinking of trying out the Harris one but like you, am keen to hear other people's thoughts. I am also a milk based coffee drinker so perhaps most of the subtleties in less than 2 week old coffee is lost on me anyway!
    When I purchased my first machine mid last year (an em6910 that had been an unused wedding present) I picked up a bag of Harris Colombian and thought at the time the coffee was pretty decent. I then tried another Harris bean and it was not very good, ended up in the bin. Once I got into a rhythm I was getting Coffee Cartel beans. Grandmaster and Drummer Boy.

    I picked up a bag again last week of the Colombian to see what my thoughts may be. I would say better than a lot of places that serve ok coffee when out but not as impressive as I first thought. Passable but I gave the rest away to a mate just getting into a home set up.

    I do also use the Aldi Lazzio dark roast as pictured. Most of the coffee drinkers in my circle have a latte so I'm using 20 gram VST basket (probably comes to 17 grams of coffee once levelled and tamped) and pull each one as a double ristretto shot from that aiming for 25 seconds. Grinder is an old Cunill Gap.

    I'm still new compared to many here but I cannot drink coffee in a lot of places I could 18 months ago so in my limited experience I think the Aldi is pretty decent.

    I did throw out a bag of Lavazza at one point also. If I see the Perfetto at a good price I may experiment but at $40 a kg I would rather get something premium.

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    ALDI now sells these "Single Origin Coffee Beans" for $12.99. I tried both and found the Colombian coffee tastes pretty decent, especially for the price.

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    For the price they're great. They remind me of decent beans that have been frozen, lost the delicate flavours and depth of flavour but a solid 6.5/10 is achievable.
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    I would note that Yelta stubbornly tried the dark roast Aldi when most of the good comments were for the medium roast. At the time I had not tried the Aldi dark roast.

    My posted Aldi rating was for the Fair Trade organic BEANS which are now only available as a preground - that takes them right off my list for a backup coffee.

    I had a quick comparison between the Aldi Lazzio dark roast and medium roast at a friends the other day.

    Medium roast Lazzio - pretty good without being stunning. I have had a lot worse / few better at many of Perth's so called boutique roasters - most of which aren't. Certainly good enough as a backup coffee as the nearest "boutique roaster" (starts with a number) to me produces totally undrinkable swill. A blind test would win against that roaster hands down.

    Dark roast Lazzio - reminded me of Starbucks / "Traditional Italian dark done Australian style" from the 1960s (i.e. not really an Italian dark roast at all - the American / Oz type). Pretty ordinary even if you like dark roasts - I don't care for them that much.

    Aldi single origins: I still haven't ever had an above average Brazilian, so I would have pretty low expectations for that one. Most roasters I know only use Brazilian as a filler.

    It will be interesting to hear about their single origin Colombian. It is really quite difficult to get poor quality Colombian beans. Pity it does not tell you a roast level directly on the container. With XMas coming up I may get some and try it in one of my spare Varios. A much cheaper deal to purvey "en masse" to the ravening hordes... Usually about 2 Kg in the festive week adds up to some serious coin.

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    Tee hee... I'd love to see stats on this site about how many times Yelta talks about Aldi coffee. I think it might be a secret love of his :-p

    I think I might pop up to the shops and see if I can find some of this Columbian... ;-)

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    Hi all. Interesting read this thread. I think my perspective on this is that you may not get the results the same as the ultra premium beans we are accustomed to buying a drinking but the Aldi beans are a very passable coffee for when you run out or have guests over at the bargain prices. Just a side note the Aldi beans are roasted by a very well known Melbourne roaster ( I have met one of the roasters and had a lengthy discussion with him about this very topic) and they sell their ultra premium versions upwards of $60 per kg in there Cafe and around Australia. I wonder if you did a blind test people would feel the same about the Aldi beans

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    I've tried the Columbian at a friend's place (as an espresso), I was pleasantly surprised. If I didn't home roast I'd seriously consider it as an every-day bean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Tee hee... I'd love to see stats on this site about how many times Yelta talks about Aldi coffee. I think it might be a secret love of his :-p

    I think I might pop up to the shops and see if I can find some of this Columbian... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisj1984 View Post
    Hi all. Interesting read this thread. I think my perspective on this is that you may not get the results the same as the ultra premium beans we are accustomed to buying a drinking but the Aldi beans are a very passable coffee for when you run out or have guests over at the bargain prices. Just a side note the Aldi beans are roasted by a very well known Melbourne roaster ( I have met one of the roasters and had a lengthy discussion with him about this very topic) and they sell their ultra premium versions upwards of $60 per kg in there Cafe and around Australia. I wonder if you did a blind test people would feel the same about the Aldi beans
    Not that long ago a bag of "Lazzio Single Origin Beans - Brazil Serra Negra - Yellow Bourbon varietal" was added to our weekly Aldi shop. Marked as "Craft Roasted in Melbourne", they were a really pleasant surprise and equal to any fresh roast bean we had bought anywhere previously. This bag had arrived at our local Aldi during the week since our previous shop so I'd imagine could be classed as freshly roasted. The pour was indicitive of a fresher roast being thick rather than the characteristic thin pour of an older roasted bean. The downside was that the best before date was more than a year forward so if not bought this "fresh", I'd expect would put it in the same category as most supermarket coffee beans once on the shelf for an extended time.

    Lavazza is still the only supermarket bean I know of that employs nitrogen flushing to retard degredation and extend bean quality shelf life. I found once opened, a bit of agitation in the bag to get air through before resealing and at least a week before brewing gave the best results for me. Not equal to fresh roasted but still the most consistent fill in when fresh roasted run out. Lavazza Perfetto Espresso still my preferred but especially sensitive to higher brew temps where it quickly becomes bitter. Alot harder to find the "sweet spot" than a SO fresh roasted bean. We only buy them as a back up when on special at $20 kg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    I now have 250g of each of 4 of my favouite light & medium roasted* S.O.'s again at 4 different roasting dates (i.e. my usual order) so I don't need a backup coffee for quite a while.

    Note*: He has what has to be Perth's best roasting setup - air roasted 1.5kg batches are simply incredible out of his 1980's setup. Much as a I love my Behmor, it just cannot compete with that setup. That particular roaster has generated a wall full of gold medals internationally, and several "not to be named / shamed" large coffee companies get that particular roaster to do their "boutique coffees" for entrance into major tasting shows - so no, the "large brand X" preroasted beans you buy have little resemblance to the ones at said shows.
    Hi TampIt

    Sorry to trouble you, and going partly of subject, but who is the 'roaster' above where you get your beans from, and whereabouts is he. I live in Ocean Reef so a long way from Rockingham (North Albany for me ), but hoping he may be closer to town

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celts88 View Post
    Hi TampIt

    Sorry to trouble you, and going partly of subject, but who is the 'roaster' above where you get your beans from, and whereabouts is he. I live in Ocean Reef so a long way from Rockingham (North Albany for me ), but hoping he may be closer to town
    G'day Celts88


    My preferred roaster since 1975 is now not available - not even to me (sigh) as they are only using it for pods (at 1,000 pods per hour) using pretty cheap (and nasty) beans. What a waste. This is the fifth owner since the original guy retired and this one just wants to count the dollars I guess. That means I cannot buy really good quality green beans easily either as their original supplier has a 60Kg minimum order - bit much for home use!

    My two backup roasters are Grand Central (Bibra Lake) and Antz-inya-pantz (East Vic Park). neither of them are much closer to Sth Geraldton than Albany...

    Grand Central have a fairly limited range (and opening hours - they are really wholesalers) however all their beans are good quality for whatever their origin is - which varies from poor quality regions (e.g. Indian, the best Indian I know but still barely good enough as a filler) to excellent (one of their three Kenyans is up with the best Kenyan I have ever encountered).

    BTW - you have to be really careful with Antz as their roasted coffees vary from swill to brilliant - unless you really know what you are doing I cannot give them a full thumbs up either. Caveat Emptor. On a good day / region they are excellent.

    My next year looks like trying every other Perth roaster again to get another outstanding bean - just as I am expecting my new espresso machine toy to arrive in the next couple of months, so the last thing I needed was to have to change roasters.

    Enjoy your cuppa

    TampIt

    PS I tried the Aldi SO Colombian at another friend's place - certainly good enough as a backup coffee when freshly bought (i.e. just after it became available). It turns out to be a medium roast (actually a hint darker than a standard medium). Easily the best supermarket coffee currently available locally (across the spectrum of Harris, Vittoria, Lavazza and Illy at various places I have visited recently) and better than several of the cafes I have tried lately. XMas coffee is sorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Not that long ago a bag of "Lazzio Single Origin Beans - Brazil Serra Negra - Yellow Bourbon varietal" was added to our weekly Aldi shop. Marked as "Craft Roasted in Melbourne", they were a really pleasant surprise and equal to any fresh roast bean we had bought anywhere previously. This bag had arrived at our local Aldi during the week since our previous shop so I'd imagine could be classed as freshly roasted. The pour was indicitive of a fresher roast being thick rather than the characteristic thin pour of an older roasted bean. The downside was that the best before date was more than a year forward so if not bought this "fresh", I'd expect would put it in the same category as most supermarket coffee beans once on the shelf for an extended time.

    Lavazza is still the only supermarket bean I know of that employs nitrogen flushing to retard degredation and extend bean quality shelf life. I found once opened, a bit of agitation in the bag to get air through before resealing and at least a week before brewing gave the best results for me. Not equal to fresh roasted but still the most consistent fill in when fresh roasted run out. Lavazza Perfetto Espresso still my preferred but especially sensitive to higher brew temps where it quickly becomes bitter. Alot harder to find the "sweet spot" than a SO fresh roasted bean. We only buy them as a back up when on special at $20 kg.

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    G;day CafeLotta

    I am 90% sure Illy invented nitrogen flushing - they have been using it for decades.

    I agree that it helps to keep the beans fresh - then when you eventually open the pack the beans die pretty quickly.

    I would love to find a really good, consistent backup coffee but so far that has been truly elusive. This week the Aldi SO Colombian would take the crown, however it may not even be available in a few weeks, so back to square one again for the longer term.

    TampIt

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    G;day CafeLotta

    I am 90% sure Illy invented nitrogen flushing - they have been using it for decades.

    I agree that it helps to keep the beans fresh - then when you eventually open the pack the beans die pretty quickly.
    Yes I think you're right about Illy.

    As I've mentioned previously, I found with the Lavazza Perfetto Espresso, when I first open the bag I needed to shake or decant the beans to get air through them, (dissipate the nitrogen?) and then let them sit in a valved coffee bag for a few days (even up to 2 weeks) before use, similar to what you do with fresh roasted. I've tried them straight out of a newly opened bag but found them unpallatable. They aren't a real substitude for fresh roasted and they're very finicky on temp and grind but when treated as I mentioned, weren't too bad as a fill in at $20 on special. I didn't find that they died quickly when stored in a zip locked valved coffee bag.

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    I would suggest checking out Dark Star Coffee Roasters in O'Connor. I didn't make it to see them directly but a few of the cafes I visited used their beans (even one that also roasted their own). A couple seemed to have the extraction slightly off but they all tasted like excellent beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    G'day Celts88


    My preferred roaster since 1975 is now not available - not even to me (sigh) as they are only using it for pods (at 1,000 pods per hour) using pretty cheap (and nasty) beans. What a waste. This is the fifth owner since the original guy retired and this one just wants to count the dollars I guess. That means I cannot buy really good quality green beans easily either as their original supplier has a 60Kg minimum order - bit much for home use!

    My two backup roasters are Grand Central (Bibra Lake) and Antz-inya-pantz (East Vic Park). neither of them are much closer to Sth Geraldton than Albany...

    Grand Central have a fairly limited range (and opening hours - they are really wholesalers) however all their beans are good quality for whatever their origin is - which varies from poor quality regions (e.g. Indian, the best Indian I know but still barely good enough as a filler) to excellent (one of their three Kenyans is up with the best Kenyan I have ever encountered).

    BTW - you have to be really careful with Antz as their roasted coffees vary from swill to brilliant - unless you really know what you are doing I cannot give them a full thumbs up either. Caveat Emptor. On a good day / region they are excellent.

    My next year looks like trying every other Perth roaster again to get another outstanding bean - just as I am expecting my new espresso machine toy to arrive in the next couple of months, so the last thing I needed was to have to change roasters.

    Enjoy your cuppa

    TampIt

    PS I tried the Aldi SO Colombian at another friend's place - certainly good enough as a backup coffee when freshly bought (i.e. just after it became available). It turns out to be a medium roast (actually a hint darker than a standard medium). Easily the best supermarket coffee currently available locally (across the spectrum of Harris, Vittoria, Lavazza and Illy at various places I have visited recently) and better than several of the cafes I have tried lately. XMas coffee is sorted.
    TampIt

    Mate that's one fantastic response, and is really appreciated.

    FYI I've just went and bought a factory 2nd DeLonghi PrimaDonna Elite auto machine (arriving next week). Yes, I realise auto machine's are frowned upon here, but we've came from a $200 Nespresso pod machine, and the jump to this will be major for us (my wife doesn't want a manual machine). I've got some DeLonghi Connoisseur coffee beans coming with the machine (how good they are who knows), and have bought some Aldi coffee beans to learn the ropes of the machine before trying better beans (ok, can't do as much tweaking with an auto machine, but still changing the grinding, temperature, aroma, quantity of coffee per cup will give us something new that we've never encountered before with the pod machine).

    As said above I live in 'South Geraldton' so going down to Bibra Lakes is not exactly next door. Appreciate I could do a post order from Grand Central or Antz-inya-pantz, but would need to rely on good luck or advice on what to try.

    There are a couple of roasters closer to myself in Wangara that would be easier for myself to call into: 1. Dante's, and 2. Micrology. Not sure if you (or anyone else) has tried them, and any advice would be appreciated. Off course I'm happy to have some beans posted to me from other roasters, but trying some local beans sounds good to give them a go.


    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    I would suggest checking out Dark Star Coffee Roasters in O'Connor. I didn't make it to see them directly but a few of the cafes I visited used their beans (even one that also roasted their own). A couple seemed to have the extraction slightly off but they all tasted like excellent beans.
    level3ninja

    Also like to thank you for replying to my query, and as per my reply above to TampIt O'Connor isn't next door to me, but if any beans you suggest I can have them posted.

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    A quick suggestion - "artman" and "greenman" live north I think - PM them as to who the use. Greenman's roaster is definitely pretty good (probably himself!) as I have had one of them.

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    Hi Celts88, not as far as Bibra Lake - you could try Black Matter Roasters, Osborne Park and Brewed Awakening, Clarkson, as more "local" roasters. I have used them both, Black Matter would be my preference, but there is nothing wrong with Brewed either, just BM have a larger choice, bigger set up. Also I have satisfactorily used Big Brew in Wangara who have also supplied me some greens previously. Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    G;day CafeLotta
    I am 90% sure Illy invented nitrogen flushing - they have been using it for decades.
    I agree that it helps to keep the beans fresh - then when you eventually open the pack the beans die pretty quickly.
    I would love to find a really good, consistent backup coffee but so far that has been truly elusive. This week the Aldi SO Colombian would take the crown, however it may not even be available in a few weeks, so back to square one again for the longer term.
    TampIt
    oh wow. was not aware of nitrogen flushing. can we use it to store our beans? i find my beans tend to spoil really fast
    a ting of sourish within 5, 6 days

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    The nitrogen does nothing by itself, it just excludes oxygen. A simple way to do the same thing is to chemically absorb the oxygen using iron hydroxide / iron oxide, sachets of material designed for the purpose are easily available, Google "oxygen absorber sachet". Calculate the effective air space in cc as equal to the coffee weight in grams, add enough absorbers for that volume and seal it up.

    Make sure the packaging is oxygen tight: most film plastics have quite high oxygen transfer rates so are completely unsuitable. This is why coffee packaging normally incorporates a metallised gas barrier layer.


    BTW I am 100% sure Illy didn't invent nitrogen flushing, it was developed by Clarence Birdseye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    BTW I am 100% sure Illy didn't invent nitrogen flushing, it was developed by Clarence Birdseye.
    I think Illy were the first to use the process for large scale packaging of freshly roasted coffee beans. Quite right, they didn't invent the nitrogen flushing process itself.

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    Hi again

    Just took delivery of my factory 2nd DeLonghi PrimaDonna Elite auto machine (ecam 650.55.ms, cost $899 with 1 year warranty). Yep I know vast majority on here think autos are garbage, but it's what I've got and coming from a $200 Nespresso pod machine it's shear luxury. My wife is dead against getting a manual (sometimes happy wife, happy life is true), but maybe next time around can see if she changes her mind (we have just re-done the kitchen and to keep it sleek / clean nothing on benchtops, and auto is in kitchen nook behind doors).

    So to get us started bought a bag of Brazilian beans from Aldi ($12.99) as didn't want to waste money on good beans to start with. Well if Aldi beans are meant to be mediocre I wouldn't like to guess what a good bean tastes like. Both our 1st coffee's tasted like we had bought them from a cafe, they just tasted so smooth and flavoursome. Yes, realise I've got very low standards to compare with (pod machine), but have to start somewhere and very happy with what we have (auto with the Aldi beans).

    Got a 1kg bag of
    DeLonghi 'Connoisseur' beans with the machine and will give these a try later after changing the auto settings to align more wiht our tastes. Off course the auto can't be dialed in like a true manual machine with grinder, but we can change the aroma, coffee strength (assume this is just changing how much water passes through the grounds), temp of water (off course not actual degrees, but a little change possible) and quantity of milk per drink. One nice thing about this auto is being able to set individual types of drinks per each person, so if I like more milk / less coffee for a Latte, and my wife likes the other way around then we can do that.

    I put in an order with Beanbay (order actually posted on Monday) for some of his beans & cocoa. What I've got coming is:


    • Tiana's Latte - 500g
    • Surprise Me - 1kg (will have to wait and see what I get when it arrives)
    • Cote d'Ivoire Red African Cocoa - 1kg
    • Double Dutch Pure Cocoa - 500g
    • DaVinci Syrup, Vanilla - 750ml
    • Alchemy Syrup, Caramel - 250ml
    • Snobby Instant Chai - 200g
    • 250g Coffee Bags (1 lot of 10)
    • 500g Coffee Bags (1 lot of 10)


    Now when I get the above order the only things I'm unsure what to do is storage, plan to keep them in pantry which is generally cool and in shade, and do I open the bean bags to let them breath before using (have read a few comments about new beans need to breath for a few days prior to use).

    Kids looking forward to the Cocoa as only tried that sachet rubbish (I won't touch them - yucko), so will be good to see what a proper cocoa actually tastes like. Planning on using all milk (may put small amount of hot water to melt cocoa to start) and the steam wand on the auto to mix/heat up (add a bit of dark Muscovado sugar to taste if required).

    Thanks for all the info prior, most appreciated.

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    FYI Beans do not need to sit in an opened bag for days after roasting. In fact doing so is a bad idea. Have a look through this post for info on storing of roasted beans: https://coffeesnobs.com.au/roasted-b...ted-beans.html


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    Java "Open bags bad!" phile

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    Had a read of your linked thread and clearly leave beans in the bag that BeanBay send them in.

    Do I squeeze out any 'gas' that the beans have produced due to being a new roast (believe they were roasted on the Sunday and shipped on the Monday). Will take another week to get to me so would have been sitting in the bag for 7 or 8 days. Do I open up the bag to release the gas, and then reseal the zip closure and squeeze out the excess air via the non-return valve until I use them in my machine.

    Sorry if the above is a dumb question, newbie here

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    The bags the coffee was delivered in have one way valves in them so there's no need to do anything to let the CO2 out. Once you've opened the bag when you reseal it that's when you should squeeze all the air in the bag out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Celts88 View Post
    Hi again

    I put in an order with Beanbay (order actually posted on Monday) for some of his beans & cocoa. What I've got coming is:


    • Tiana's Latte - 500g
    • Surprise Me - 1kg (will have to wait and see what I get when it arrives)
    • Cote d'Ivoire Red African Cocoa - 1kg
    • Double Dutch Pure Cocoa - 500g
    • DaVinci Syrup, Vanilla - 750ml
    • Alchemy Syrup, Caramel - 250ml
    • Snobby Instant Chai - 200g
    • 250g Coffee Bags (1 lot of 10)
    • 500g Coffee Bags (1 lot of 10)

    BeanBay order shipped on 30th Oct and still hasn't arrived in Perth yet?

    Hope everything ok, does it normally take this long to arrive?

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    If it is with Fastway, depending on when order is shipped it can take up too two weeks to arrive, sometimes 7-8 days, you will eventually get it.
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    I have found AustPost very slow recently.

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    I have found AustPost very slow recently.
    I second this! I felt they have been rather fast of shipping goods in resent times, yet the last 2 months or so ive been waiting longer than expected on many items.



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