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    Lavazza d'oro is my budget cant be bothered roasting cheap bean of choice at around $19 a kilo its a pretty boring and unoffensive coffee. But these days theres a lot of Robert Timms coffee bags being used to beat the morning rush. We shouldn't judge too harshly on supermarket coffees, people drink Vittoria, Illy and whatever other commercial garbage all the time. And to be honest it wasn't until very recently that I found single origins in cafes to be anything decent most were poor examples of the region and honestly had no purpose being served other than for the "me too factor". all the commercial single origins worth drinking were almost always at the specialty roasters, served by said specialty roasters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t0fu View Post
    We shouldn't judge too harshly on supermarket coffees,
    I disagree. It is our job to. Hence the name of the website.

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    I don't judge coffee of any type with any preconceptions or bias, if I like a bean/brew I will say so, ditto for dislike.

    I've yet to find supermarket beans that come close to making a decent espresso, as I mentioned previously, the Aldi beans I tried were OK for use in a French press, not even close to being good enough for espresso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenman View Post
    If it is with Fastway, depending on when order is shipped it can take up too two weeks to arrive, sometimes 7-8 days, you will eventually get it.
    No sign of my order arriving today, therefore won't be here until Monday - at best. That will be 14 days since order shipped.

    Seems 'Fastway' is actually a misnomer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celts88 View Post
    Seems 'Fastway' is actually a misnomer
    I think it really depends on your location. My last few beanbay orders have arrived next day (I'm in Sydney), I've always been pretty impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrajag View Post
    I think it really depends on your location. My last few beanbay orders have arrived next day (I'm in Sydney), I've always been pretty impressed.
    Not having a go at BeanBay, appreciate they try and get a happy medium to keep the shipping costs reasonable.

    11 days since order shipped and still hasn't reached Perth, must be busy traffic on the Nullabor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celts88 View Post
    11 days since order shipped and still hasn't reached Perth, must be busy traffic on the Nullabor
    Have you tried contacting Fastway?
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    I live in Perth. I have ordered many items from Singapore, Hong Kong etc. I have ordered mobile phones from Singapore at 10.00 am on a Monday and had it arrive at 9.00am the next day - on more than 4 occasions this has happened so its not freak incident. I have ordered multiple items from the Eastern States which almost always take 2 plus weeks to deliver, there is a standing joke in the household when ordering from over east "Might be here by Christmas?" the reply is always "Which Year" :-). Logistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celts88 View Post
    No sign of my order arriving today, therefore won't be here until Monday - at best. That will be 14 days since order shipped.

    Seems 'Fastway' is actually a misnomer
    I've had very mixed experiences with Fastway (not to do with coffee stuff). A lot comes down the particular franchisees involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celts88 View Post
    Not having a go at BeanBay
    yeah sorry I didn't word that well, I meant I have been impressed with fastway often getting stuff delivered to Sydney next day (often my order is in the afternoon so also impressed with beanbay of course!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    I live in Perth. I have ordered many items from Singapore, Hong Kong etc. I have ordered mobile phones from Singapore at 10.00 am on a Monday and had it arrive at 9.00am the next day - on more than 4 occasions this has happened so its not freak incident. I have ordered multiple items from the Eastern States which almost always take 2 plus weeks to deliver, there is a standing joke in the household when ordering from over east "Might be here by Christmas?" the reply is always "Which Year" :-). Logistics.
    Yep, seems totally hit and miss for items coming from East to West, hopefully I do get my order by Xmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrajag View Post
    yeah sorry I didn't word that well
    Mate no offence taken, I didn't word my response well either

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    I live in Perth. I have ordered multiple items from the Eastern States which almost always take 2 plus weeks to deliver, there is a standing joke in the household when ordering from over east "Might be here by Christmas?" the reply is always "Which Year" :-). Logistics.
    Got it in one. Logistics, driven by financial necessity, plays a big part in delivery tardiness.
    The paddock was my preferred run during my final six years as an owner driver. Eastbound loads were scarce and didn't even pay enough to cover the fuel which, when added to wear & tear, fixed costs and time wasted, weren't viable. I typically drove empty from Perth to Whyalla to pick up steel bound for the eastern states. Some truckies got together and piggybacked or even put their trucks on an eastbound train. A lot of them just went broke - brutal game.
    The real money was in westbound loads (by a factor of about 6). To make it pay freight forwarders had to juggle weight, cubic capacity and the number of drops among other considerations. So freight often languished in depots until it could be profitably slotted in.

    Ps greedy truckies? Not a bit of it. We were hounded and taxed almost to extinction to raise revenue and prop up inefficient railways and coastal shipping.

    Ps2 'Nullabor' is not a koori word. It's actually two Latin words combined meaning 'no trees'.
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    The Aldi beans are great. Roasted in Richmond by Black Bag Roasters and I’m a fan of the dark roast as it contains a splash of robusta – most likely to keep the costs down, but these beans result in a nice, bold espresso and good head of crema for store-bought. What can I say? I use robusta in my own blends and am a bit of a traditionalist.
    I use these beans when I haven’t had time to roast at home. They are lifesavers.
    I find the café culture thing where you pay $16-$18 for 250gms to be quite pretentious. It’s not even ‘snobby’ as its available in every café these days.
    If I must buy speciality coffee, I tend to favour roasters who charge circa $30 a kilo. These tend to be in regional towns. When I buy their beans I don’t feel I’m paying for someone’s South Melbourne shop lease.
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    For the gullible, prestige coffee (the more expensive the better) actually tastes better - even if it isn't.
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    Was going through the winners list of Golden Bean 2018 (Congrats Coffeesnobs/Andy!). Surprise surprise....

    BRONZE SINGLE ORIGIN (ESPRESSO) : Lazzio Single Origin Colombia

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN ESPRESSO : Lazzio Medium Roast

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN MILK BASED : Lazzio Medium Roast

    GOLD FRANCHISE/CHAIN FILTER : LAZZIO MEDIUM ROAST


    Glad to know my taste buds were not busted and there're other think-alike (not saying the beans are the best, but are at least acceptable if you get them reasonably fresh). They should've charged more and used more hippy packaging bags to help make them taste better.


    *Lazzio = aka the store brand sold at Aldi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    Was going through the winners list of Golden Bean 2018 (Congrats Coffeesnobs/Andy!). Surprise surprise....

    BRONZE SINGLE ORIGIN (ESPRESSO) : Lazzio Single Origin Colombia

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN ESPRESSO : Lazzio Medium Roast

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN MILK BASED : Lazzio Medium Roast

    GOLD FRANCHISE/CHAIN FILTER : LAZZIO MEDIUM ROAST


    Glad to know my taste buds were not busted and there're other think-alike (not saying the beans are the best, but are at least acceptable if you get them reasonably fresh). They should've charged more and used more hippy packaging bags to help make them taste better.


    *Lazzio = aka the store brand sold at Aldi.
    No surprise.... it's highly unlikely that the winning coffee submitted was a bag 'off the supermarket shelf'. It's more likely it was a specially roasted batch, prepared just for the competition, with fresher beans in a smaller roaster and not roasted by the newest member of the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    No surprise.... it's highly unlikely that the winning coffee submitted was a bag 'off the supermarket shelf'. It's more likely it was a specially roasted batch, prepared just for the competition, with fresher beans in a smaller roaster and not roasted by the newest member of the team.
    What is the point of bean roasting competitions, conducted under unrealistically ideal conditions, if the resulting beans aren't readily available to consumers. Unlike say, formula one motor racing, which is equally irrelevant to car buyers, it is hardly a spectator sport.

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    In wine world "show blends" got so rampant that the rules were changed: the major shows will now only accept wine that has already been bottled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    Was going through the winners list of Golden Bean 2018 (Congrats Coffeesnobs/Andy!). Surprise surprise....

    BRONZE SINGLE ORIGIN (ESPRESSO) : Lazzio Single Origin Colombia

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN ESPRESSO : Lazzio Medium Roast

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN MILK BASED : Lazzio Medium Roast

    GOLD FRANCHISE/CHAIN FILTER : LAZZIO MEDIUM ROAST
    Thanks for the congrats!

    Yes, the Lazzio Medium Roast was obviously well enjoyed by the judges.

    Not to take anything away from it but the Franchise section is only competed against other franchise entries so it's among the best in that category and you can't compare the results to the open categories that have some truly amazing, but often low volume coffees in it.

    Having said that, it's a damn good result to medal in those categories and that would make it a fairly safe bet if you are looking for something good from a franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    What is the point of bean roasting competitions, conducted under unrealistically ideal conditions, if the resulting beans aren't readily available to consumers. Unlike say, formula one motor racing, which is equally irrelevant to car buyers, it is hardly a spectator sport.
    G'day OCD

    You have just nailed one of my pet peeves in so called "serious" coffee testing. I have seen first hand some of the dirty tricks and blind Freddie could pick the difference between the "medal specials" and the over the counter swill in some extreme cases.

    We all have our own biases and mine is for light to medium roasted "single origin" beans.

    Having said that the Aldi SO Colombian is pretty good in the "bought in store" bag a friend "inflicted" upon me the other day. It is way better than a lot of roasts I have encountered over the years - and a lot cheaper than any of them to boot. Instant easy decision - that is my first choice for the "XMas ravening hordes" this year.

    The Aldi medium blend is also pretty good - and I don't like blends much - I am definitely a "single malt guy".

    I still think their dark is pretty poor, however I rarely like any dark so that it no surprise.

    As long as you are enjoying the actual cuppa in front of you it really doesn't matter too much does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    Was going through the winners list of Golden Bean 2018 (Congrats Coffeesnobs/Andy!). Surprise surprise....

    BRONZE SINGLE ORIGIN (ESPRESSO) : Lazzio Single Origin Colombia

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN ESPRESSO : Lazzio Medium Roast

    SILVER FRANCHISE/CHAIN MILK BASED : Lazzio Medium Roast

    GOLD FRANCHISE/CHAIN FILTER : LAZZIO MEDIUM ROAST


    Glad to know my taste buds were not busted and there're other think-alike (not saying the beans are the best, but are at least acceptable if you get them reasonably fresh). They should've charged more and used more hippy packaging bags to help make them taste better.


    *Lazzio = aka the store brand sold at Aldi.
    Until randomly selected 'off the shelf' beans are independently blind tested by credible consumer groups "tell em they're dreaming" I'll base my bean buying choices on the taste buds of CS posters ahead of any awards.
    Ps my taste buds have awarded Andy's beans the highest award of all, my ongoing support via my wallet. If he has achieved this level of excellence through competing for awards, who am I to winge? Having said that, I do believe that a lot of awards, ribbons, trophies etc are self-serving, back-slapping, feel-good affairs that serve no purpose other than to pander to the egos of participants. A case in point: I once took part in a work sponsored golf tournament and, despite being woeful at it, was awarded a trophy 'most promising beginner' no less.
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    Yes, I agree with the above. It'd be a form of deception if the samples were specially roasted for the competition. As a bystander and a consumer, I would've expected the samples to come off their mill (it's ok to send in fresher samples for evaluation - the biggest challenge with supermarket beans is the freshness issue and the supply-chain is out of their control). Is there no regulation or fine prints on that matter? However, I think we should also not be hasty in making any assumption - it's still our speculation at this stage and would be unfair to do so.

    I was just surprised to see the name there (the Aldi's decent, but was not what I would expect of an award-winning coffee), and Andy's explanation made sense since they are competing in the franchise category - think Gloria Jeans, Starbucks.
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    Unpopular opinion: cheap beans, over good beans

    I won a couple of medals. One in Milk and one for decaf.

    I literally scooped the coffee from the same buckets that were holding the roasts for the weeks wholesale customers.

    I wanted to get feedback on the beans I sell week in week out!

    But I fully understood not everyone does that so went into the comp eyes wide open. Although the “comp beans” are a bit annoying! Full credit to Andy for roasting what he sells to everyone

    Congrats btw to all the CS members who took part and grabbed some accolades too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    I won a couple of medals. One in Milk and one for decaf.

    I literally scooped the coffee from the same buckets that were holding the roasts for the weeks wholesale customers.

    I wanted to get feedback on the beans I sell week in week out!

    But I fully understood not everyone does that so went into the comp eyes wide open.

    Congrats btw to all the CS members who took part and grabbed some accolades too!
    Ah congrats mate that's awesome, beans must be really on par, well done

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    Yes, when you learn to roast at home, the whole veneer peels away. Roasting is absolutely a science - and I am but a student. But for daily drinks, most of what I roast is better than the overpriced stuff, even when it's not my best work.
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    'I'll have what he's having'.
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    On several machines and grinders I have never been happy with the results with the single origin Aldi beans. They never smell as fresh once opened and have never given great extractions.
    The medium and dark blends I have had success with on the same equipment, the last bag of dark I was quite pleased with.
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    Am quite pleasantly surprised by the Lazzio SO Colombian! I initially bought it just to run through my new grinder, but tried an espresso and latte with it, definitely drinkable!

    The cupping notes on the bag were actually pretty accurate. Espresso had a nice bright acidity, orangey-mandarin flavour, silky body, did have slightly harsh aftertaste but nothing too dramatic, yet sweet and lingering. Latte was nice too. Looks like it was roasted well, definitely more a medium roast.

    Best before was 15th Feb 2020, so would probably be 3-4 weeks postroast?
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    'Good beans' eh...what makes a 'good bean' a 'good' bean? (Warning: A bit of a rant)

    Is it just a matter of cost?
    I don't think so....


    I haven't tried Aldi beans so can't comment on them.

    My pet bean hate is getting sh*te beans from a dedicated roaster ie NOT a supermarket bean.

    Every few years or so I lash out and buy some commercially roasted beans from a dedicated roaster. With the last lot (3 different S.O's and blends), I went out of my way when ordering to get the beans sent to me ASAP after roasting. They arrived on the Friday and all had a stamped roasting date of Monday on the same week....so 4 days old on arrival. I tried some on the Friday and each day since. The labels on the bags had descriptive tasting notes but lied.

    Absolutely awful! None have even made any crema and all had sour to insipid flavours. I can't understand why anyone would go to the trouble of blending beans and having a rubbish outcome.

    I daresay the Aldi beans couldn't be any worse...probably a whole lot better. I must buy a bag of the Aldi S.O. Columbian and give them a try.

    It all makes me really happy that I roast my own beans. I have no-one to blame but myself if they turn out less than great.
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    I would have guessed they were roasted in Feb to be honest, they usually put a 2 year use by on them....... could be totally wrong though!! the crema certainly looks like they should be fresher than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    Am quite pleasantly surprised by the Lazzio SO Colombian! I initially bought it just to run through my new grinder, but tried an espresso and latte with it, definitely drinkable!

    The cupping notes on the bag were actually pretty accurate. Espresso had a nice bright acidity, orangey-mandarin flavour, silky body, did have slightly harsh aftertaste but nothing too dramatic, yet sweet and lingering. Latte was nice too. Looks like it was roasted well, definitely more a medium roast.

    Best before was 15th Feb 2020, so would probably be 3-4 weeks postroast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    I would have guessed they were roasted in Feb to be honest, they usually put a 2 year use by on them....... could be totally wrong though!! the crema certainly looks like they should be fresher than that.
    Yeah I'm impressed with how it came out and the crema isn't pale nor thin. I think some CSers deduced earlier in the thread that to roughly get the roast date it was minus 1 year and 3 months off the best before date
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    Yeah I'm impressed with how it came out and the crema isn't pale nor thin. I think some CSers deduced earlier in the thread that to roughly get the roast date it was minus 1 year and 3 months off the best before date
    There you go!! ill read back through the posts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    There you go!! ill read back through the posts!
    Ah actually I couldn't find it this thread... am not sure how that roast date figure was found, might be in this thread, post #114 says it but not sure where else

    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-c...-horror-3.html

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    I roasted some CS Yirgacheffe Special Preparation and some Indian Monsooned Malabar 3 days ago. They are already great drinking. No better time to finally see what the fuss is about and try some Aldi beans...what the heck...if they were no good, at least I had my freshly roasted (and now frozen) beans on hand.

    After reading this thread, I have had a cursory look at the Aldi beans on the shelf over my last few visits to the store. I don't know how to work out the roast date but Sam Law stated in CS on 4-2-18:-
    "Do look at the expiry date though. The last consensus was Roast date = Expiry date - 1 year and 3 months"... and that makes sense.

    I found some medium roasted beans today that had a 'best before 10-3-19" on the pack, which by Sam's reckoning would have been roasted 3 weeks ago. It was the pack with the longest 'best before' date of their medium roast at my local store. Gees...$11.99 for a whole kilo. That is substantially cheaper than my cheapest green bean.

    I wasn't expecting much but was pleasantly surprised. No rancidity or oiling...pleasant aroma from the bag...nice crema and really decent floral taste. It reminded me of the Yirg that I like so much. Very nice...I even had a second cup!

    I will keep an eye on this coffee at my local Aldi store whenever I shop there to see if a fresher bag (post roast) ever appears. But for a first try, this one really gets a thumbs up!!!!

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    This year the "XMas ravening hordes" had the Aldi Colombian SO. As usual they came back for seconds and thirds this year, just like every other year. Even a couple of coffee aficionado mates were stunned at the quality - and equally stunned when I told them what the cuppa they had just enjoyed actually was sourced from and cost! First time I had "gone cheap" and it worked.

    Last year the same mob had a choice of top quality Guatemalan ("chocolate cake coffee" according to one friend) and Ethiopian Mocha (yep, the original Mocha not the Yemeni, really hard to get now) and I could perceive no difference in either comments or consumption via those who discriminate.

    IMO the fresh Aldi Colombian SO rivals most other coffees from Colombia these days.

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    I should have added - the Aldi SO is pretty easy to set up*, which makes it an ideal "learning coffee" for those with L and P plates.

    set up*: main gotcha - both of mine (the "trial via friend" and the "XMas special") needed a few days before they stopped smelling too green. Light and medium roasts (and specifically SO's) are hopeless unless they have sufficient time to develop "post roast". If they still smell like a whiff of green, they are. Using them too early is probably where most of the "wheatgrass" flames (and sourness complaints) about "3rd wave hipster cafes" come from. Dark roasts have the opposite problem - they remind me of a hand-grenade (what is that ticking noise?) - after a week and a half they are pretty dead.

    BTW, My favourite Colombian SO - an organic, high altitude, very light roast (i.e. theoretically not suitable for an espresso at all) often needs about 6 weeks before it will play nicely. Then it is a bitch to set up. Still among the best coffees I know when I nail it.

    Enjoy your cuppa for 2019 - another year to savour the multicultural aspects of the planet (whilst shaking head in disbelief at the fanatics who are trying to stuff it up - and not all of those could be called terrorists).

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    I heard that Aldi changed the Lazzio medium roast from 100% Arabica to Arabica and Robusta recently, one guy was saying it's now not as good... Which one was used in that Golden Bean competition? Are you guys still buying the Lazzio medium beans? I might give the Columbian SO a go....

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    Curiosity finally got the better of me. Went out and bought a 1kg bag of Brazil Serra Negra coffee beans from Aldi and am alternating between it and some Uganda Mannya Organic from CS. Whereas the Uganda seems mild with interesting but fleeting choc/caramel/fruity overtones the Brazil tastes like; well, coffee.

    Over the years, CS has provided me with:
    * A wealth of coffee related knowledge and wisdom.
    * Somewhere to vent and rattle a few chains.
    * A targeted customer base for "pre-loved" coffee hardware.
    * A trusted venue through which to contribute a couple of bucks to the growers who make my hobby possible. Aldi, on the other hand, provides me with cheap beans and...?
    Given the above, any suggestions for CS beans, that just taste like coffee, would be appreciated.

    Ps thanks in advance.
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    Try the Colombian medium SO unless you only drink dark roasts. I thought it was a lot better than the Brazil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Try the Colombian medium SO unless you only drink dark roasts. I thought it was a lot better than the Brazil.
    Agree with your comment. The current Colombian at my Aldi was quite reasonable for the price. Had to go from a 15g VST to 18g VST and watch the temp to get the best out of it. The current Brazil is disappointing and seems to be too lightly roasted compared to the one I tried some months back which was roasted a bit darker and was actually excellent.
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    Yep bought the Columbian with a best before of Mar 2020. Very surprised by the fresh appearance and smell when opening the bag for the first time. Pulled really well, good crema and a very drinkable espresso, very pleasantly surprised by the overall result (for the price). Nowhere near as complex as some of the African or Indo SOs that I admire but still very acceptable and will be strongly considering them if and when a home roasted shortage looms.
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    Musings of a novice, quite prone to user error...

    So i have a small amount of a couple of types of beans and figured as I am setting up a grinder and machine for the first time ever I'd get some Aldi beans to experiment on - plenty of shots are going straight down the sink this week so I figured better to waste $12 than $40.

    Picked up some SO Colombian med roast from my local Aldi Thurs afternoon and transferred what I could to a Tupperware container and the remainder to a tin. Put both in the cupboard.

    Got my espresso machine up and running last night and put the sunbeam grinder to work...

    Figured it makes sense to use the beans from the tin first and so into the hopper they went.

    Hmm, couldnt dial in a decent shot at all - even on the finest grind setting i was getting 60ml in 12/13 seconds and nothing drinkable.

    Worked my way through 10 or 12 shots varying the grind, the dose, my tamp and even pump flow - couldn't for the life of me get anything satisfactory

    Not sure where to go (like I said high likelihood of user error as a noob) I decided to try some of the 'good beans'

    Opening up their container there was a sudden aroma not only of coffee but distinctly nutty and chocolatey...something I've not actually noticed before.

    I'll save all the details for my own thread but over the next few shots I was able to dial in anything from 25-60ml in 25-30 seconds and they were all drinkable! (Worked out I'm happiest with 25-30ml from 17g in about 28 secs)

    Armed with the knowledge that I can get a decent extraction I decided to try the Aldi beans again, this time from the Tupperware container.

    I was totally shocked, I was able to get a decent extraction... still faster than the 'perfect cup' beans but acceptable and drinkable, with a surprising amount of crema. The flavour wasn't even close in terms of intensity or complexity but not bad/sour/bitter.

    What part of this was the difference in storage (even for only 1 day), how much did my skills improve over the session (starting from a zero point there's room for exponential improvement!) And what other factors could be in play? I'm unsure.

    What I am sure of is that these weren't as fresh as they could be but the store didn't have any fresher.

    Conclusions?

    Jury is out, I am at the wrong end of this journey to sit in judgement- but I did learn that fresh beans, well roasted are absolutely vital to a good cup (surprise!)
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    I have been using the Aldi beans and just finished a bag of the Colombian Lazzio and found this great for milk coffees but the espresso shots were very very ordinary. The red/black bag Lazzio dark roast for me were the pick so far and were both good for espresso and milk coffees, while my parents preferred the medium roast with the blue on the bag for their french press. Am about to try the Brazil Serra Negra today

    For the price the Colombian Lazzio is great value but in no way do they compare with the Coffeesnobs Colombian Volcan Galeras which is my favorite bean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo View Post
    I roasted some CS Yirgacheffe Special Preparation and some Indian Monsooned Malabar 3 days ago. They are already great drinking. No better time to finally see what the fuss is about and try some Aldi beans...what the heck...if they were no good, at least I had my freshly roasted (and now frozen) beans on hand.

    After reading this thread, I have had a cursory look at the Aldi beans on the shelf over my last few visits to the store. I don't know how to work out the roast date but Sam Law stated in CS on 4-2-18:-
    "Do look at the expiry date though. The last consensus was Roast date = Expiry date - 1 year and 3 months"... and that makes sense.

    I found some medium roasted beans today that had a 'best before 10-3-19" on the pack, which by Sam's reckoning would have been roasted 3 weeks ago. It was the pack with the longest 'best before' date of their medium roast at my local store. Gees...$11.99 for a whole kilo. That is substantially cheaper than my cheapest green bean.

    I wasn't expecting much but was pleasantly surprised. No rancidity or oiling...pleasant aroma from the bag...nice crema and really decent floral taste. It reminded me of the Yirg that I like so much. Very nice...I even had a second cup!

    I will keep an eye on this coffee at my local Aldi store whenever I shop there to see if a fresher bag (post roast) ever appears. But for a first try, this one really gets a thumbs up!!!!
    An update....

    I checked out some of the 'new arrival' beans at Aldi just now. They weren't there last week.
    They were marked with the same best by date as the ones that I bought a fortnight ago. On my reckoning that makes them 5 weeks post-roast....and herein lies the problem (for me).

    If I could buy the Aldi medium roast beans a few days after they were roasted, I would be very happy. And maybe this would be possible at some of the bigger Aldis...or the ones closer to the roasting location. As it is, the ones that I can buy are 3 weeks post-roast at the freshest. And that just isn't good enough for me to abandon my home roasting.

    I will keep half an eye out when I do my shopping. Maybe things will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larryd View Post
    I have been using the Aldi beans and just finished a bag of the Colombian Lazzio and found this great for milk coffees but the espresso shots were very very ordinary. The red/black bag Lazzio dark roast for me were the pick so far and were both good for espresso and milk coffees, while my parents preferred the medium roast with the blue on the bag for their french press. Am about to try the Brazil Serra Negra today

    For the price the Colombian Lazzio is great value but in no way do they compare with the Coffeesnobs Colombian Volcan Galeras which is my favorite bean
    Two quick comments
    1) You obviously prefer dark roasts for an espresso - personal preference. I side with your parents as I rarely enjoy any "darker than medium" - also personal preference. Mind you, the slightest hint of burnt and it goes straight down the nearest sink. Put three CS'r's in a room and get 5 different coffee opinions... An "espresso only fiend" of mine loved the same Aldi Colombian straight. Like you, I preferred it as a latte.
    2) No way does the $12 / Kg Aldi compare with my usual favourite Colombians either - but at $50+ / kg they shouldn't. The Aldi SO Colombian remains brilliant value for a decent drinkable cuppa which is way better than the offerings of most cafes - especially if sits for long enough post roast to remove the green taint (just like all light to medium roasts, fresher is not necessarily better). That gives light / medium roasts a huge advantage for aficionados - the old "throw it out at day 11" no longer applies, so being anal about roast dates is also less critical. I am over $100 better off by using it at XMas this year for the ravening hordes, and none of the close friends / family felt it was inferior - even at the post mortem. Sometimes I feel we CS'r's get a bit carried away by the street cred rather than the resulting cuppa*.

    Enjoy YOUR cuppa, whatever it may be


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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    ...Sometimes I feel we CS'r's get a bit carried away by the street cred rather than the resulting cuppa*.

    Enjoy YOUR cuppa, whatever it may be...
    As a motivator, street cred (pecking order) should not be underestimated. In our recent evolutionary past, having it or not having it, could be a matter of life or death. At the very least it could determine your status within your tribe, family or group - still does. Many astute salesmen have been kept in mansions and BMWs by exploiting our need for it.

    Ps the beauty of coffee is that the only one you have to please is #1.

    Ps 2 unfortunately, in my household, #1 is the missus. I'm at #3 - after the cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    As a motivator, street cred (pecking order) should not be underestimated. In our recent evolutionary past, having it or not having it, could be a matter of life or death. At the very least it could determine your status within your tribe, family or group - still does. Many astute salesmen have been kept in mansions and BMWs by exploiting our need for it.

    Ps the beauty of coffee is that the only one you have to please is #1.

    Ps 2 unfortunately, in my household, #1 is the missus. I'm at #3 - after the cat.
    ... and I am #4 - we also have a dog ...
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    250g into 300ml (or enough hot water to soak the grinds) of 85C water and gently stirred for a minute then topped up to 2l (with unfiltered cold tap water) in a Kilner and left for 16hours (approx) in a cool spot turns the Aldli Columbian into a very acceptable and yummy cold brew - tried it on the weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    left for 16hours (approx) in a cool spot
    Do you mean fridge cool or bottom of the pantry cool?



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