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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
    You could probably make a decent leather wallet though in some cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarunkdawar View Post
    hi All,

    i have been roasting my own coffee in Perth, getting it from beansbay and it has been an amazing learning experience. i was able to reac a stage where my beans at arounf $15 a kilo have been exceptional in taste for me and my wife. especially beans from India, columbia and even decaf blend.

    however, sometime back I found these Aldi lazzio beans at #12 which is cheaper than what I can get green in Perth... haha. so I bought these to test. And they blew my mind.

    i have not roasted in few months and I have been drinking this tasty espresso.

    However, this cpuld just be me. But, I found their single origin columbian to be as good as the best coffee I have ever had. however, i can't seem to find columbian lazzio anywhere now. Peru as maybe 7 if columbian was 10. but I did not like brazil at all. i think it was 3 for me.

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    Once again I find it strange that another first time poster has chosen to give Aldi coffee a big thumbs up, claiming to have roasted Beanbay greens to a point that the results were exceptional, then in the next sentence claiming the offering from Aldi to be to be even better.

    Sorry, I don't buy it.

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    Once again I find it strange that another first time poster has chosen to give Aldi coffee a big thumbs up, claiming to have roasted Beanbay greens to a point that the results were exceptional, then in the next sentence claiming the offering from Aldi to be to be even better.

    Sorry, I don't buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Once again I find it strange that another first time poster has chosen to give Aldi coffee a big thumbs up, claiming to have roasted Beanbay greens to a point that the results were exceptional, then in the next sentence claiming the offering from Aldi to be to be even better.

    Sorry, I don't buy it.
    Could also just be someone taking the P and throwing down some Bait.

    Might also just need a few more roasts under the belt? Being able to control consistency yourself v a bit of pot luck off the supermarket shelf comes into this equation too.

    Strangely enough, this has inspired me to dust off the Behmor after realizing how lazy I've been lately in this regard. Go figure.

    ........where did I put those damn notes..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Once again I find it strange that another first time poster has chosen to give Aldi coffee a big thumbs up, claiming to have roasted Beanbay greens to a point that the results were exceptional, then in the next sentence claiming the offering from Aldi to be to be even better.

    Sorry, I don't buy it.
    Just overly paranoid on this one Yelta.
    Tarunkdawar obviously liked 2 of 3 Aldi beans and that equals value to him.

    I harp back to a previous thread of mine though, who's really paying the price for low priced coffee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
    "Man who walks through airport door sideways is going to Bangkok."
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    "Man who walks through airport door sideways is going to Bangkok."

    It's turnstile if you want tell the joke correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Just overly paranoid on this one Yelta.
    Tarunkdawar obviously liked 2 of 3 Aldi beans and that equals value to him.

    I harp back to a previous thread of mine though, who's really paying the price for low priced coffee?
    G'day Andy,

    Perhaps! I learned long ago to question, some among us are altruistic, most have an agenda.

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    Yelta, I think Andy was gently suggesting it was time to put the foil beanie away for a while

    Looks like the poster in question joined the board 3 years ago. That would be one heck of a conspiracy!

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    Thanks for your input Herzog

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    I ran the idea of a coffee roaster past the finance minister based on this thread.
    No deal thus far.
    I haven't given up yet.
    Need to get that back verandah built that has been on the drawing board for 3years first though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    I ran the idea of a coffee roaster past the finance minister based on this thread.
    No deal thus far.
    I haven't given up yet.
    Need to get that back verandah built that has been on the drawing board for 3years first though.
    Deal time Warthog, completion of verandah = go ahead with roaster, negotiate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    I ran the idea of a coffee roaster past the finance minister based on this thread.
    No deal thus far.
    I haven't given up yet.
    Need to get that back verandah built that has been on the drawing board for 3years first though.
    Worth the effort getting her on board. Opens the door to a whole new world of head scratching.

    I just repented and got a roast in earlier. Have to say a few more Hail Behmors before I'll be forgiven. The first roast after a long break almost got away from me. I'll do my penance and get back on track.



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    The Aldi dark roast beans are consistently good and make a great latte. Good rich crema. I don't like them much for long black (and definitely not straight espresso), but if you are a milk drinker then for $12 a kg you just can't go past these beans. The bags from my local are usually about 4 weeks from roast and still have a great aroma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    I ran the idea of a coffee roaster past the finance minister based on this thread.
    No deal thus far.
    I haven't given up yet.
    Need to get that back verandah built that has been on the drawing board for 3years first though.
    The missus got her veranda, I got my Cremina. Win,win.
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    I appreciate the thoughts here too. I am about to sell my 5kg Has Garanti and upon looking at what I am going to have to pay for the beans I want $55 per kg, it is definitely worth trying some cheap alternatives.

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    It seems the going rate for a post by a 19 year girl who looks good in a bikini to promote your cafe is $300 - https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fo...c91dfcd8aa6865
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    It seems the going rate for a post by a 19 year girl who looks good in a bikini to promote your cafe is $300 - https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fo...c91dfcd8aa6865
    Noticed that piece a couple of days ago 338, thought about posting the link, decided against lest I be accused of wearing me foil beanie again.

    Seriously, I suspect many are totally unaware that this form of promotion even exists, if they keep their eyes and minds open the system/method used will be pretty obvious.

    Just to dispel any idea that I'm anti Aldi, I shop there frequently, some of their products are excellent and offer much better value than elsewhere, the Atlantic salmon we had for dinner last night came from Aldi and was very good, quite a bit cheaper than elsewhere, however I ain't gonna budge as far as their coffee is concerned, its ordinary to say the least.

    Here's a pic of me in me new foil beanie, came from Aldi, bargain!
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    I actually tried the Peru a couple of weeks back. Nothing special. Probably wouldn’t be able to pick it from the Lazzio blue. Still better than any other supermarket coffee I’ve ever had, but that’s probably because it isn’t burnt to a crisp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    ...Here's a pic of me in me new foil beanie, came from Aldi, bargain!
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    I find my foil beanie works better if you extend the sides so that your ears are covered too. you'd be amazed at the amount extraneous s**t that can keep out.

    Ps adding antennae doesn't work. At least it didn't for me.
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    I suspect I know the answer to this question but I will ask anyway, to my fellow Kiwi coffee snobs, can we access reasonable roasted beans in NZ at a cost lower than the typical $12.50 per 250g. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ermat View Post
    I suspect I know the answer to this question but I will ask anyway, to my fellow Kiwi coffee snobs, can we access reasonable roasted beans in NZ at a cost lower than the typical $12.50 per 250g. ?
    Small quantities like 250g are always a more costly way to buy beans.

    Often you can save a bit by getting a kilo at a time.

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    250g lasts me 2 weeks. At that rate the 1kg would be past it's best before i could use it. But back to my question, is there a cheaper reasonable coffee available in nz ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Noticed that piece a couple of days ago 338, thought about posting the link, decided against lest I be accused of wearing me foil beanie again.

    Seriously, I suspect many are totally unaware that this form of promotion even exists, if they keep their eyes and minds open the system/method used will be pretty obvious.

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    That may be true of the broader population, but I think the vast majority of people who use Instagram are aware of the existence of 'influencers'. That's how they become 'influencers'. The fact that these people get paid for content is also pretty well known (at least among the younger population).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    That may be true of the broader population, but I think the vast majority of people who use Instagram are aware of the existence of 'influencers'. That's how they become 'influencers'. The fact that these people get paid for content is also pretty well known (at least among the younger population).
    Perhaps so! however what doesn't seem to be understood is that this type of promotion is not limited to Instagram, any specialty forum with a large membership is an ideal canvas for an influencer to work with, the most blatant on Coffee Snobs of relatively recent times is our old mate K Bone, he went to extraordinary lengths to get his message across, the practice is constantly being employed in much more subtle ways.

    As far as the age demographic is concerned, the young may well understand the concept, however, they are far more susceptible to the message, the very fact that the young must acquire the latest iteration of everything, be it a smart phone, pair of shoes or espresso machine underscores this.

    Age, with most of us imparts a degree of understanding and cynicism, along with a realization that constantly chasing the rainbow only leads to bigger bills at the end of the month.

    I have no problem with retailers and manufacturers advertising their wares in an ethical manner, what I do have an issue with is unidentified people coming in through the back door, purporting to be one of "the group" when all along the intent is to boost a product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    ...Age, with most of us imparts a degree of understanding and cynicism, along with a realization that constantly chasing the rainbow only leads to bigger bills at the end of the month...
    The best things in life that aren't free, are eminently affordable. In Australia at least.

    Ps if I was a squillionaire I doubt I would enjoy my coffee any more than I do now.

    Ps 2 just got to pick the right rainbows to chase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    The best things in life that aren't free, are eminently affordable. In Australia at least.
    Affordable for most means incurring debt, Australia's average household debt is the highest it's ever been and among the highest in the world, we gotta have it now, saving isn't even contemplated.

    Australians rank fourth highest in the world next to Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway."

    "Australian household debt has steadily risen over the past three decades as more of us aim to own homes and continue to rely on products such as car loans and credit cards. In fact, the ratio of household debt to income has more than doubled between 1995 and 2015, going from 104% to 212%, according to the OECD Data released in 2015. This means if the average person earns $80,000 net, they are spending $169,600 per year."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Affordable for most means incurring debt, Australia's average household debt is the highest it's ever been and among the highest in the world, we gotta have it now, saving isn't even contemplated.

    Australians rank fourth highest in the world next to Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway."

    "Australian household debt has steadily risen over the past three decades as more of us aim to own homes and continue to rely on products such as car loans and credit cards. In fact, the ratio of household debt to income has more than doubled between 1995 and 2015, going from 104% to 212%, according to the OECD Data released in 2015. This means if the average person earns $80,000 net, they are spending $169,600 per year."

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    G'day Yelta

    I know nothing about that site (never seen it before), however they would fail grade three primary school maths in their "analysis".

    "This means if the average person earns $80,000 net, they are spending $169,600 per year." - if true that means that next year they would owe (in round figures - interest would accrue and increase the amount owed by another $10,000 I reckon) to over $250,000. I call utter bullshit on that.

    Assuming their "Investor debt. Debt associated with investments such as rental properties or shares makes up 36.5% of our household debt." is correct, than that is a great argument for killing off 100% of negative gearing to reduce speculative debt driven by greed. Unfortunately our whole tax system encourages investors running on debt... ever heard of using cashflow to invest in capital items? Oh wait, then you get clobbered with capital gains tax... see what I mean?

    One other thought - I know they are supposed to be OECD figures, so one should be able to assume they are accurate. Having said that I have sighted numerous credit card debt figures over the years and none of them are anything like the 2% range. I would need to know how that is being calculated. I saw a similar "shonky report" about 5 years back and discovered that only official bank credit cards were being counted - which makes that figure a total joke almost unrelated to the real world (Colworths, Myers etc all have credit card systems which are not included).

    FWIW, I would try to find a site that knows what it is talking about - if that article is typical, they do not have an analytical bone in their virtual body.

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    Lies, damned lies and monetary statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    G'day Yelta

    I know nothing about that site (never seen it before), however they would fail grade three primary school maths in their "analysis".

    "This means if the average person earns $80,000 net, they are spending $169,600 per year." - if true that means that next year they would owe (in round figures - interest would accrue and increase the amount owed by another $10,000 I reckon) to over $250,000. I call utter bullshit on that.

    Assuming their "Investor debt. Debt associated with investments such as rental properties or shares makes up 36.5% of our household debt." is correct, than that is a great argument for killing off 100% of negative gearing to reduce speculative debt driven by greed. Unfortunately our whole tax system encourages investors running on debt... ever heard of using cashflow to invest in capital items? Oh wait, then you get clobbered with capital gains tax... see what I mean?



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    Yes, they've confused the level of debt with the annual increase in net borrowings. Just a minor error.

    To be fair, we pay CGT (on 50% of the gain) regardless of the means of financing the investment. It's more the combination of a discounted CGT rate with negative gearing that distorts investment. Take either away and you have more reasonable system.
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    Not going to argue the pro's and cons of a particular site.

    All I'm trying to convey is the fact that the average Aussie is living well beyond his/her means.

    The banks and credit providers would love this to continue, it cant.

    Perhaps this graphic will simplify the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Yes, they've confused the level of debt with the annual increase in net borrowings. Just a minor error.

    To be fair, we pay CGT (on 50% of the gain) regardless of the means of financing the investment. It's more the combination of a discounted CGT rate with negative gearing that distorts investment. Take either away and you have more reasonable system.
    Minor error - cannot agree. Fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying concept more like it (or hype from the Murdoch machine).

    Totally agree on the investment distortions... and then some "economists" cannot work out why the gini coefficient (inequality index if you prefer) is way out of whack so the old "richer get richer, poorer get poorer" is too true. In the case of Oz, add flat wage growth whilst productivity has gone through the roof - which means corporate profits are also skyrocketing - and the same "economists" wonder why retail spending is down here. My only comment is "... and what else did you think would happen".



    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Not going to argue the pro's and cons of a particular site.

    All I'm trying to convey is the fact that the average Aussie is living well beyond his/her means.

    The banks and credit providers would love this to continue, it cant.

    Perhaps this graphic will simplify the concept.
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    Hey Yelta,

    I already got the concept (years ago - lectured it to post grad's in the '80's whilst learning IT).

    You are 100% correct on the graphic - tell that to the "good economic managers" in the current Libs. Our gov debt level has more than doubled since they came into office so the "$200 billion budget emergency" (Tony Abbot) is now OK at $550 billion (ScoMo). No worries: they are such good economic managers that "they know what they are doing".

    I just really, really detest poor analytical work - almost as much as political BS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Minor error - cannot agree. Fundamental misunderstanding of the underlying concept more like it (or hype from the Murdoch machine).


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    I think you missed the irony in my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    I think you missed the irony in my post.
    Yep. I reread it now I am not sleep deprived - well understated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Yep. I reread it now I am not sleep deprived - well understated.
    It wasn't the clearest remark. It was a bit of the Basil Fawlty 'apart from all of that, alright?' after the hotel inspector had rattled off about 20 serious deficiencies with the hotel.
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    Nearly all my coffee is sourced from beanbay, occasionally specialty roasters in my area. and i am a roaster -of sorts.
    Yesterday I bought a kilo of peru lazzio and it was one of the most unpleasant tasting coffee i have used.
    I have not wanted to fan the embers; the other origins have been ok but this was surprisingly bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafelazio View Post
    Nearly all my coffee is sourced from beanbay, occasionally specialty roasters in my area. and i am a roaster -of sorts.
    Yesterday I bought a kilo of peru lazzio and it was one of the most unpleasant tasting coffee i have used.
    I have not wanted to fan the embers; the other origins have been ok but this was surprisingly bad.
    Did you just eat the beans? They can be quite bitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Did you just eat the beans? They can be quite bitter.
    How could you possibly know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Did you just eat the beans? They can be quite bitter.
    You' d be surprised though 'with a glass of Chianti'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafelazio View Post
    You' d be surprised though 'with a glass of Chianti'.
    Would need to be a Classico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafelazio View Post
    You' d be surprised though 'with a glass of Chianti'.
    I've heard that's best with a side of fava beans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cafelazio View Post
    Nearly all my coffee is sourced from beanbay, occasionally specialty roasters in my area. and i am a roaster -of sorts.
    Yesterday I bought a kilo of peru lazzio and it was one of the most unpleasant tasting coffee i have used.
    I have not wanted to fan the embers; the other origins have been ok but this was surprisingly bad.
    Agreed - I would use their Colombian as a backup, however this Peruvian "gift from a friend" deserves a special spot in my compost - which it now has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    I've heard that's best with a side of fava beans.


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    Thanks for the heads-up Javaphile.
    MAOIs do not go well with liver, beans and wine; i'll keep that in mind.



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