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    Quote Originally Posted by KizZ84 View Post
    Republica from Woolworths.
    Grinders from Woolworths.
    And the aforementioned LAZZIO from Aldi.
    I have used Republica and Grinders - strangely via Foodbank rather than Woolworths (I run a Community Pantry which supplies low-cost groceries to people in need and also runs an espresso machine). There are many different blends in both brands so it isn't as easy as saying good or bad. I am sure LAZZIO is fine as is most of the Aldi stuff and will give it a try when the opportunity arises.

    One of the worst coffee blends we had recently as a premium blend from Sydney that is used by the coffee shop owned by one of our Community Pantry volunteers.

    Went to a tasting night at a local speciality grinders who prided themselves with their single origin blends and I thought most of them terrible and extremely bitter. Their espresso blend was actually quite OK but the grinder hated espresso blends. Talk about coffee snobs.

    I have been using Vittoria Organic Coffee Beans for both work and home use which I quite like. I wait for them to be on sale at typically $18 to $20 a kg and that sure beats $36 to $40 a kg for many of the "premium" retail brands.

    One brand I am looking at of which I have obtained a range of sample bags is from Sicilia Coffee in South Australia.

    Their Italian coffee blend seems good value for money so if anyone has some feedback about whether they like the stuff or not, would appreciate it. Will be having a tasting day next month for our coffee shop volunteers to try them out.
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    I think I'm going to have join the queues at Coles, Aldi etc to buy their $12/Kg beans or else pack my machine away. With rising cost of living, lack of pay rises and so on paying $40-50 for a Kg of beans must be getting to be a REAL luxury for many of us.

    I've only had my Breville for a few months and we've settled on a dark roast that we all love but it's $42/Kg and we use that in about 10 days. It's making a big dent in the grocery budget. I can get 3 1/2 Kg of Coles Urban or Woolies Espresso beans for that but I shudder at the thought of not having my favourite beans anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalby View Post
    I think I'm going to have join the queues at Coles, Aldi etc to buy their $12/Kg beans or else pack my machine away. With rising cost of living, lack of pay rises and so on paying $40-50 for a Kg of beans must be getting to be a REAL luxury for many of us.

    I've only had my Breville for a few months and we've settled on a dark roast that we all love but it's $42/Kg and we use that in about 10 days. It's making a big dent in the grocery budget. I can get 3 1/2 Kg of Coles Urban or Woolies Espresso beans for that but I shudder at the thought of not having my favourite beans anymore.

    Dalby, this link may be helpful to you - https://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/V...px/GreenCoffee - plenty of good coffees from $10 to $13 a kilo. You will have to roast them before using them but easily done with a popcorn maker or old breadmaker (coretto is the search term for here). Then you can tell the family to drink up to their hearts content

    PS Roasting is pretty easy to get a very drinkable result, lot longer to master
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Dalby, this link may be helpful to you - https://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/V...px/GreenCoffee - plenty of good coffees from $10 to $13 a kilo. You will have to roast them before using them but easily done with a popcorn maker or old breadmaker (coretto is the search term for here). Then you can tell the family to drink up to their hearts content

    PS Roasting is pretty easy to get a very drinkable result, lot longer to master
    Interesting and definitely something to consider. Thank you.

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    My brother in law uses Aldi beans in his plunger so I grabbed a ziplock bag to try out as an espresso at home.

    They were the Peru single origin.

    Gotta say they were just appalling, even tried as a latte and the milk couldn't hide the taste

    I gave back what was left over and can confidently state that my curiosity has been satisfied.

    Suppose I'm fortunate enough that I can spare the money to purchase from a couple of the local roasters and who knows at some point I might win the wife over to the idea of me home roasting .....

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalby View Post
    Interesting and definitely something to consider. Thank you.
    A Coretto is pretty easy to set up Dalby, biggest cost is a decent heat gun, just don't buy a cheapie, they don't last and are not adjustable enough to fine tune, Bosch 630 is a good one.
    Plenty of experienced Coretto users here to help you with the process.
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    Dalby totally agree with Yelta. Plenty of info here, easy to do and will provide you with a roast to your taste and fresher than ever possible with a supermarket (was reading the other day that the average supermarket apple is 6 to 9 months old! Wonder how old the coffee is? How are strawberries $1 a punnet now out of season?) Definitely worth an evenings reading to see if you can knock $30 off the household bill every ten days - or increase the quality over supermarket options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalby View Post
    Interesting and definitely something to consider. Thank you.

    I loathe / avoid comment on this thread BUT.
    Curiosity got the better of me and I tried the Coles urban. If your a smoker maybe ok, otherwise undrinkable / quite offensive taste, id rather quit coffee altogether.

    Agree with above, find old bread machine get someone with the appropriate skills to make it simple on / off for the paddle. Bosch heat gun from green shed and $9 / kg green Yunnan beans from BeanBay, which are actually pretty decent. I buy a lot of exceptional tea from the same province.

    Buy enough to fill fastway flat rate box should make them around $10/kg.

    Assuming your dark roast loses about 16.5% weight, plus a bit of electricity, that should put you right on $12/kg.
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    Apologies for being a little off topic on this supermarket topic, but while I won't endorse any supermarket coffee beans, I must say the best out of season Coles product I relished only a month ago was cherries.

    Yes, a naughty indulgence, to eat cherries in Melbourne in the middle of our winter.

    They are imported from California and are probably better than our own which start in mid-November. Sweet with a distinctive al dente bite indicative of first-class condition and freshness.

    And pricewise the same if not cheaper than comparable local ones of the same grade.

    Love em.
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    Heres something that will make some of you scoff and shake your head at me,
    4-5 years agomy sons moved in with me(i remarried) an funds were really tight during my extended abscence and rehab.
    I was down to nescafe gold instant for a long long time, the bes900(aka Esmerelda) was out of action and i couldnt handle the idea of spending good money on coffee and machinery when i had kids(their mum took off overseas an shirked support and everything) i was at the point of meh its just coffee. Insert scoffs and bewildered looks,
    Years later everything improved, i managed to repair Esmerelda myself, thanks youtube, got decent beans, killed the second genecafe. And was using woolies beans and lavazza for ages,
    Then one day i woke up....
    Id forgotten about this place! Now im back to rebuilding machines and roasting again,
    Insert lots of bad words god i missed good coffee!!!
    Moral of the story, you go with what works for you under whatever the circumstances are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalby View Post
    I think I'm going to have join the queues at Coles, Aldi etc to buy their $12/Kg beans or else pack my machine away. With rising cost of living, lack of pay rises and so on paying $40-50 for a Kg of beans must be getting to be a REAL luxury for many of us.

    I've only had my Breville for a few months and we've settled on a dark roast that we all love but it's $42/Kg and we use that in about 10 days. It's making a big dent in the grocery budget. I can get 3 1/2 Kg of Coles Urban or Woolies Espresso beans for that but I shudder at the thought of not having my favourite beans anymore.
    Whatever you end up using be sure to really experiment with grind, dose and temp combinations (they're cheap enough!) to see if you can get an acceptable result. Personally I found the Aldi Peru needed just the right grind/temp combination on 1-1/2 to 2 week old beans to get quite an acceptable result in a 20g VST basket. Didn't take much variation in grind/temp to miss the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Whatever you end up using be sure to really experiment with grind, dose and temp combinations (they're cheap enough!) to see if you can get an acceptable result. Personally I found the Aldi Peru needed just the right grind/temp combination on 1-1/2 to 2 week old beans to get quite an acceptable result in a 20g VST basket. Didn't take much variation in grind/temp to miss the mark.
    Ah cool that you got an acceptable result from the Peru! I think alot of people found it was roasted really really lightly (or was that the Brazil?) and so found it tricky to get anything decent... did you go for a much slower pour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    Ah cool that you got an acceptable result from the Peru! I think alot of people found it was roasted really really lightly (or was that the Brazil?) and so found it tricky to get anything decent... did you go for a much slower pour?
    I found the Aldi Brazil too lightly roasted when I tried it and haven't tried it again. The Peru I find finicky and with the grind/temp variables I aim for with it, the pour isn't treacle slow. A step or 2 quicker than I would normally aim for but definitly not gushing. I only use them if the dates are 2 weeks or less. Works fine for a morning Latte.
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    Totally agree with this!

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    Bought the Peru one just in the meantime as I temporarily can't roast. Was gonna get the Lazzio medium blend initially, but the date on them suggested it wasn't as fresh as the Peru.

    Pleasantly surprised with what I've pulled from it! First shot an accidental double ristretto, great body but flavours were quite muted, but felt there could be such potential with the subtle flavours that were there.

    Found that still a slightly slower pour, hitting a 1:2 at around 35s brought out its best. Really delightful tropical flavours, sweet, creamy; it's a light-medium roast but definitely not underdeveloped. The roasters that roast it seem to know what they're doing.

    Poured really nice through the naked portafilter too
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    A nice even extraction Simon...

    I think you're getting close to the best that this bean has to offer.

    Mal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    A nice even extraction Simon...

    I think you're getting close to the best that this bean has to offer.

    Mal.
    Yeah, even though I know they're not specialty grade, I sorta like the adventure of trying to find and express the bean's full potential and extract the maximum and best juicy stuff lying dormant in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    Pleasantly surprised with what I've pulled from it! First shot an accidental double ristretto, great body but flavours were quite muted, but felt there could be such potential with the subtle flavours that were there.
    What sort of temp are you running? On my machine I seem to hit the sweet spot around 94 deg C at the basket. Too high a temp or too fine a grind kills it quickly for me. Love the challenge of getting it just right with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    What sort of temp are you running? On my machine I seem to hit the sweet spot around 94 deg C at the basket. Too high a temp or too fine a grind kills it quickly for me. Love the challenge of getting it just right with this one.
    I've just got a Profitec Pro 500 HX, no temp control so just whatever comes outta the group head. I might experiment with a coarser grind and faster flow though just to see how it tastes, but it's pretty darn good at a slightly slower pour!
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    I've just got a Profitec Pro 500 HX, no temp control so just whatever comes outta the group head. I might experiment with a coarser grind and faster flow though just to see how it tastes, but it's pretty darn good at a slightly slower pour!
    They're a very nice machine. What type of baskets are you using? I'm on a 20g VST for the Peru.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    They're a very nice machine. What type of baskets are you using? I'm on a 20g VST for the Peru.
    Ah nice, yeah I'm using the Pesado 20g Precision basket, dosing 22.5g in. It sinks fairly low after tamping so I could probably dose 23g or a bit more if I wanted to. Sette 270Wi for a ridiculously fluffy grind haha.

    I've wanted to get on the VST train hehe, but unsure if there'll be much extraction difference between my Pesado and VST.
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