Post By bosco
Recommendations for coffee machine/grinder working space setup
I purchased a Profitec 700 and T64 grinder. They are currently taking up my wifeís valuable kitchen bench space so I am having a new bench (extension) built. The builder has asked where I want the hole(s) drilled for the power cables, water supply and drain. The hole(s) is/are going through a stone benchtop so I want to get it right.
My current setup is grinder on left, a gap where I have portafilter stand and knock box and then the machine itself on the right. I have attached a photo. All up it takes up about 750mm in width. The new bench is 900mm wide so I have a bit more space to play with.
My wife would like the machine on the left, then a gap as workspace with the grinder on the right. Is this sensible or will we be moving the portafilter back and forth across the workspace? Does that matter?
I would appreciate any suggestions for an appropriate arrangement of the equipment from those of you who have been doing this for much longer than me.
Many thanks in anticipation of your help.
P.S. My wife and I are both right handed - if that is relevant....?
Personally id put the machine to the left side. Then you havent split the bench space with the machine in the middle.
But then again if the hole is the size that can take one of those office cover things then it mightnt be that big a deal where it goes.
My key question is whether to separate the coffee machine(CM) and grinder(GR) with the workspace(WS) between or have the two side by side. Presuming I go with coffee machine (CM) on the left the options are:
(1) CM-WS-GR or
So are there any pros/cons of having CM and GR side by side versus separated by the working space?
This is my setup, it works well for me, I havent got my machine plumbed in though.
There are a number of factors to consider. Coming from a hospo background, I tend to look at workflow as the most important.
I would have GR>CM>WS. This can be done left to right or vice versa. This allows you to grind, extract/froth, and pour without working in circles. It is marginally easier to work left to right, but makes no real difference in a home environment. The hole(s) drilled would depend on your chosen layout.
If you do not mind, can you clear up a few points?
-Is it intended for the machine to be installed on the new bench being built?
-Assuming you are going to plumb it in, do you plan to have power (machine and grinder), water inlet, and drain all connected under bench?
my opinion being right handed and love work flow....grinder on left, tamping station, machine, knock out bin - but your space is very limited.???
I was actually gonna say trial out a few different orders and see what you like, but I missed the part about needing the plumbing connected etc..
It doesn't really matter in the end, whatever works best for you. If it were a busy cafe environment it might be more important, but whatever suits your style! I've trialled a few different options and here is what mine currently is and what works best. It's awkward with the corner there but if I need my filter grinder I've put a CS bag underneath it and I can just slide it closer .
Tamping mat is just in front of the grinder usually when the station isn't in use, but when making coffees I just jump it over the corner for easier tamping and just more room. Work station is really there, scales close by, and I just do my pours on the bench to the left. It really comes down to what's easiest for you.
Yes - all connections (power x 2, water and waste) will be through the new benchtop. The connections will be through either a single hole (for machine+grinder) or two separate holes with one for each unit. That depends on how I decide to arrange them as one hole would work if they are side-by-side but maybe not if the workspace comes between.
At this stage I am tempted to have two holes drilled even if one is not used.
In my opinion a single hole is much tidier. Ideally underneath or hidden behind the machine. You could run cables through conduit to keep them hidden. It is easier to drill a second hole later, if needed, than to replace a benchtop.
The main thing would be ensuring there is not too muvh horizontal travel on your drain hose. This can lead to blockages or simply not have enough gravitational force to drain effectvely.
While you are at it, I would suggest installing a filter system and a plv.
I would say depending how seperate the bench is to keep your workstation between the machine and grinder. Once you have grinder that part is out of the question and you never go back there. You tamp and that then use the knock box which I have preference to keep as close to the machine in the home.
This is my set up which I canít fault in workflow. This is personal for me and makes a lot of sense. Only issue is I wish I had space on the left to pour milk drinks for guests but I turn around and use the kitchen bench on this case mainly as this bench doesnít have enough width.
I would also suggest one hole for power and drain/ water. The grinder cable can run that 15cm or so to the machine hole. Then if you really are against it you can simply drill one power hole extra.
I assume plv is “pressure limiting valve”. I have purchased a water filter but interestingly no one has previously suggested a plv. I imagine it would be installed before the water filter to ensure the flow through the filter is limited/controlled? Would it have any impact on the espresso machine though? I have read about using pre-infusion on my Profitec 700 but have yet to try it as I am currently using the 700’s tank until everything is plumbed. Would using a plv compromise the ability to pre-infuse?
Originally Posted by bosco
Last edited by Plane24; 13th March 2018 at 02:12 PM.
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I believe the PLV is a fail safe incase you get an overpressure of water before the filter system (from water hammer or any other occurance). An overpressure might cause damage to the filter membranes and comprimise them - blowing otherwise good membranes! I don't think there would be any need to have a PLV between filter and the machine and it certainly won't affect the machine operation in anyway.