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    Hi to everyone, I need some help/advice, my shots are gradually getting worse over time, I use single and double basket, both pours are runny, so when I make the grind finer the bar reading for single hits about 10 to 12 bar, on double it will be around 9 to 10, I always overfill basket and scrap excess and have an espro tamper so the tamp is consistent, anyone have some tips please

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    If (and that is a huge IF) everything else is consistent, sounds like your coffee could be getting stale. How long havecyou had the beans, how are they stored, and when were they roasted?

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    I've had the beans about a month, I store them in a vacum container, no clue when they were roasted

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    Sounds like they may be getting a bit stale. Try to find some fresh roasted and see if that fixes the issue.

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    which espressomachine?
    which coffee?
    which grinder?

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    Blatant plug for fresh coffee roasted today...

    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au

    If your pours are still thin then we can troubleshoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Blatant plug for fresh coffee roasted today...

    beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au

    If your pours are still thin then we can troubleshoot.
    As a matter of interest Andy, I'm not seeing the link live, I'm working on a Windows 10 PC.
    CoffeeSnobs - BeanBayThe above link is working for me.

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    Fixed now. It was the forum not knowing that beanbay was a web address, it was expecting a www.

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    Fair enough! now ya got two links.

    Whats the old saying attributed to Aristotle, used by lecturers and public speakers? Tell them what you will tell them, Tell them, Tell them what you just told them.
    Repetition.

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    Isomac Tea, coffee beans from aroma, electronic mini mazzer

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    what do you suggest ?

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    Change one thing at a time. Start with freshly roasted beans. I'm pretty sure there is a link for some quality beans above.
    Grind, dose, tamp, and extract the the same each time. If you are are still having the same issue consistently, move on to the next item to adjust.
    Grom the sounds of your original post, I would still say it is likely to be beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefox View Post
    what do you suggest ?


    Mornin Bluefox, You ask "what do you suggest ?" its been said a number of times already, I'll say it again.


    Fresh beans
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefox View Post
    Isomac Tea, coffee beans from aroma, electronic mini mazzer
    Fresh beans and a barista course for you my friend.
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    BFox - Suggestions ....
    1/ The search function here is your friend. Use Google with 'CS' + "your question"
    2/ Ditch the storage tin - every time you 'vacuum pump' the lid your
    removing a small amount of freshness / moisture from your beans.
    Store in a foil lined bag. With all the air removed. Folded tight and clamped. In a cool dark spot.
    3/ Dosing - Search the 5 cent test here.
    4/ Only dose into your Mzzr Mini the quantity you need for the current espresso shots.
    4A/ Mark the Adjustment Ring of your Mzzr Mini so you have a reference guide from past Adj. and future.
    5/ The Barista's job is to pinpoint the optimum amount of 'resistance' to create when setting up your puck,
    so as to slow down the flow of the machine (pressure) which will then allow the hot water to extract the
    flavour from the coffee grinds.

    Therefore consistency is key here. Only ever adjust one variable at a time (as required).
    Use the freshness of the bean / roast with the quality / fineness of the grind to work with
    a consistent dose to set the puck height so as it is not disturbed / crushed by the Shower Screen
    when you lock away the Handle.
    Taste is the one and final determinate.
    Use all the other metrics ( 30ml / 30sec etc. ) as a guide to point you towards any changes necessary.
    GL
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    Last edited by EspressoAdventurer; 1st May 2018 at 11:01 AM.
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    Really good advice.

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    thanks for taking the time for such a great detailed answer, and I will investigate what you suggested, but I would like to mention that in my original post I said both shots are runny, so my first guess was to make the grind finer, this fixes up the shot from single basket, but is still runny with double, when I make grind good for double, the single barely extracts anything ie drops, hope this is making sense to you

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    Try grinding a bit finer to get a good double and dosing a bit less in single. If everything thing else is consistent, agjust dose until you get a result you are happy with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefox View Post
    I would like to mention that in my original post I said both shots are runny, so my first guess was to make the grind finer, this fixes up the shot from single basket, but is still runny with double, when I make grind good for double, the single barely extracts anything ie drops, hope this is making sense to you
    All the responders above have provided good solid info.
    However BFox.... the answer your seeking is in your last post.
    Mark up / Set your Grinder to suit the variables of your 2 baskets. Use a white out pen to show where the optimum grind is to suit both baskets!

    This tho requires you to keep your beans Fresh - ( you can't go wrong with Andy's Beans BTW).
    PS I highly recommend you don't dose daily out of a 1kg bag or even 500g...Re-bag your weekly needs into another foil lined bag.
    Also Suggest you 'cupboard' the Mini's Bean Hopper and adapt a Yoghurt / Jam container in its place. It's far easier to work with.

    "hope this is making sense to you".... Yep I have a number of baskets and I have marked up my Mazzer grind settings to suit each of them, (a SJ... similar to your Mini).
    A cardboard '1/3 crescent' shape stuck on the Mazzer adjustment collar and marked up accordingly.

    Bosco's advice above is spot on. This is the 'commercial barista' way of doing it.
    In the meantime whilst your trainer wheels are in place, I'm suggesting another way that puts the emphasis on the grinder to do the work.
    Which I've found with this quality of grinder is rock solid, repeatable and If you work with it will give you consistent results !

    Consistent Input + optimum settings = a consistent shot (output)

    GL
    EA



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