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    What am I doing wrong???????

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    Hi All

    I have a Nuovo Simonelli Musica and I just can't get the pour right. Paired with a Rancilio Rocky grinder.

    No matter what I do with the grinding, it still comes out fast and watery, no crema and no nice thin stream of thick espresso goodness.

    I have tried weighing my grind, 5c test, more, less, coarser, less coarse and no matter what I do, it still comes out the same. Like i've turned on a tap, pale brown to cream colour watery nothingness comes out.

    Does anyone have any advice? It used to pour well, nice thin mouse tail, dark turning to caramel colour etc. Not any more

    Is it the grinder or the machine... or the user?????

    Thanks for any help you can give.

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    what kind of beans you use

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    What’s the roast date on the beans?

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    I've been using different types as I wondered if it was the beans.

    That got expensive.

    Due to the expense, I have just purchased a bag of Grinders beans from Woolies as I can't continue to buy the freshest roast while 'testing' to see what the issue is.

    However, the issue is the same no matter what beans or how fresh or supermarkety (haha) they are!

    The puck comes out spongy to touch and when knocked, comes out in one piece if that helps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WACoffee View Post
    Due to the expense, I have just purchased a bag of Grinders beans from Woolies as I can't continue to buy the freshest roast while 'testing' to see what the issue is.
    I would not buy beans in a supermarket and never ever grinded one,

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    If you have to buy supermarket beans buy Aldi Lazzio. I think the expiry date is 15 months after the roast date.

    How many grams are you during in the portafilter? Can you grind fine enough that it chokes the machine? Get done fresh beans and if you can't come the machine is a grinder issue. I would suggest a thorough disassembly and cleaning as the first corrective action.

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    I have a Musica, and mine has had a few issues. Every resolution gives a better drop in the cup. If using the simonelli double basket, I was putting 15.5g in it.
    It's probably your beans, but could be your pump pressure or other things.
    You have said you have done lots of things, but obviously something is still wrong.
    You might have to post a video of your shot, or pics of your grind with fresh beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WACoffee View Post
    I've been using different types as I wondered if it was the beans.
    Tells us nothing!

    Give us a bit more information, what different types, when roasted, by whom, how are they packed and stored?

    My money is on dodgy beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    If you have to buy supermarket beans buy Aldi Lazzio. I think the expiry date is 15 months after the roast date.
    Seems to be one of the more reliable supermarket beans for reasonable freshness due to local roasting and turnover. We ran out of our fresh roasted again so grabbed a bag of the Lazzio Single origin Peru Amazonas which I hadn't seen in my Aldi before. Expiry date was 14 Apr 2020. It had good Crema and responded well to fine tuning of the grind. The aroma of the beans in the bag and taste was quite interesting. Still experimenting with temp but seems promising.

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    How fine is the grind coming out of the grinder? You will need the Rocky on a pretty fine setting and maybe even need to hold it between steps if next setting down is too fine.

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    Yep...

    Either a bean quality or grind issue. If you have confidence that your technique is good and that the beans are also good, then it only leaves the grind or the grinder itself. Good advice above to dismantle the Rocky and give it a thorough clean and going over.

    And, while it's apart, check that the burrs are in good shape, may possibly be damaged or blunt. If the burrs need replacing, make sure to get a set of original Rancilio burrs, as generic burr-sets will NOT last anywhere near as long.

    Another thing to check, is whether the minimum grind setting screw is fitted and if it is, remove it. It will stop you being able to grind fine enough and doesn't really need to be there. One thing though, if the upper burr carrier is being blocked by this screw, it may be an indication that the burrs are significantly worn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    If you have to buy supermarket beans buy Aldi Lazzio. I think the expiry date is 15 months after the roast date.
    Agree. Of all the supermarket beans, these are the best. And at $12 they are great value. I use the 15 months from roast date guide as well to seek out the freshest pack.

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    If it is coming out "fast and watery," grind finer until you get the timing right or you can't get the grinder any finer.

    If you don't use freshly roasted beans you may not have success regardless.

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    If you are sure the coffee is not too old, I’d try changing the grinder.
    If you don’t know anyone you can borrow one from, you could buy a cheap manual grinder, it can always come handy anyway.

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    The Rocky will grind down fine enough if as Mal notes it is clean and burrs are not buggered. Cheers

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    Maybe post a picture of some grinds? With something next to it in the pic for scale

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    From what you said I would be looking at temp or pressure as the culprit. also possible you have a split basket

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    Obviously not desperate for a resolution. He hasn't been back. Though it is a long weekend here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by javameister View Post
    Agree. Of all the supermarket beans, these are the best. And at $12 they are great value. I use the 15 months from roast date guide as well to seek out the freshest pack.
    The 15 months sounds about right. A pack of the Lazzio Single origin Peru Amazonas which was bought last Saturday 16 March 2019 had a best before date of 25 May 2020. The degassing in the sealed bag was like a roast in the week or so after roasting from what I've seen in my home roasts. Seems like the turn-over is enough to ensure a fairly fresh bean on the shelf. Probably would depend on the individual store and the variety of bean. The Colombian seems to be the fastest to sell of the Lazzio Single Origins range at our local Aldi.

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    At my Coles, the coffee beans were in the boxes still, as displays. There was a batch number on the boxes, that was particularly easy to decode as a packing date.
    On those beans (can't remember brand), the expiry and the batch decoding was a 18 mth difference. Ymmv



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