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    Why is Australian Espresso so acidic and where can I find a more balanced one ?

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    Hey there Coffee Snobbers

    Arrived in Sydney 3 days ago. First time in Australia.
    Was looking for a good espresso so used google.
    Ive been to 3 very high rated places.
    All use good grinders such as Mahlkonig EK43 ,have very good distribution and tamping techniques.
    So why does it taste so acidic ??? Are Australian roasters under-roasting Their beans on purpose?

    Im gonna stay here for the next two and a half weeks, and I really really want a balanced,
    full bodied espresso, that won’t make me feel like I’m drinking a lemonade

    Any suggestions?

    thanks.
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    Probably depends a lot on where you are actually staying.
    Lots to choose from in Sydney...
    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/nsw-act/2...ydney-cbd.html

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    May wanna name where you've been...

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    where are you from and what do you usually drink?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    where are you from and what do you usually drink?
    I am from Israel. But itís difficult to know by that I think. Because I donít know if youíve been there and Baristas in Israel suck most of the time.

    I usually drink double espressos.
    And I think Israelís coffee culture is leaning more towards the Italian type of taste.

    The beans that I like most from known brands are:
    Mauro - centoprecento - https://www.espresso-international.c...o-1000g-beans/

    Cafe diemme- CaffŤ Diemme - CaffŤ Diemme

    Hausbrandt - Hausbrandt Espresso Whole Beans 2.2lbs - this one specifically is 20% robusta.

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Probably depends a lot on where you are actually staying.
    Lots to choose from in Sydney...
    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/nsw-act/2...ydney-cbd.html

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    Thanks, but the thing is - when someone says a coffee is good - I don’t know what his taste is like, maybe he drinks lattes, maybe he likes this citrus flavor.
    Thanks.

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    Why not let us know the type of coffee you prefer, or are accustomed to, as well as the country you are from.

    Your not giving us much to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonika View Post

    Arrived in Sydney 3 days ago. First time in Australia.
    Ive been to 3 very high rated places.
    So why does it taste so acidic ??? Are Australian roasters under-roasting Their beans on purpose?

    Any suggestions?
    Hard for us to recommend a cafe without knowing which cafes you've already tried to give us a benchmark. Also, how do you usually take your coffee (white/ espresso / long black / filter)?
    There is a trend towards lighter roasts here to preserve flavour. You might check the bean hopper at the cafe and opt for darker roasts but it also depends on barista skill.

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    Sounds like youíre hitting the hipster joints.

    Some of them are really overdoing the light roast fad at the moment.

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    The further you move away from the CBD and inner west the better it will get.....

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    Iím wary when I see an EK43 on the bench.

    Usually goes hand in hand with the hipster roast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonika View Post
    I am from Israel. But itís difficult to know by that I think. Because I donít know if youíve been there and Baristas in Israel suck most of the time.

    I usually drink double espressos.
    And I think Israelís coffee culture is leaning more towards the Italian type of taste.

    The beans that I like most from known brands are:
    Mauro - centoprecento - https://www.espresso-international.c...o-1000g-beans/

    Cafe diemme- CaffŤ Diemme - CaffŤ Diemme

    Hausbrandt - Hausbrandt Espresso Whole Beans 2.2lbs - this one specifically is 20% robusta.

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    The further you move away from the CBD and inner west the better it will get.....
    Sorry for my ignorance, but what is CBD ?
    Weíre currently located Sydney - castle hill.
    Unfortunately weíre not leaving Sydney - we came here for a family wedding.

    So Iíd like to know if thereís a good caffe somewhere in central Sydney which is not on the hipster side of things

    My family has an SMEG automatic machine so I was looking for beans at Chloeís, but I didnít find anything familiar and afraid buying light roasted beans again

    thanks.

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    CBD is the central business district. Around the harbour, opera house, town hall and so on.


    Castle Hill is not a typical place for a tourist to stay, as it is on the outskirts of greater Sydney, and not well known for any major tourism attractions as far as Iím aware.

    Where are you visiting from?

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    If you like blends with Robusta you might be best to try cafes advertising Vittoria or LaVazza beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    CBD is the central business district. Around the harbour, opera house, town hall and so on.


    Castle Hill is not a typical place for a tourist to stay, as it is on the outskirts of greater Sydney, and not well known for any major tourism attractions as far as Iím aware.

    Where are you visiting from?
    We are from Israel.

    There is one place here in castle hill - called the tuckshop which are really serious about their coffee... itís the first place I tried, And it was fruity / lemony as hell. My wife says the latte was great. Guess thatís why. But everywhere else we tried was far worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonika View Post
    Sorry for my ignorance, but what is CBD ?

    So Iíd like to know if thereís a good caffe somewhere in central Sydney which is not on the hipster side of things


    thanks.
    I would suggest if heading to "central Sydney" try The Reformatory Caffeine Lab in Foveaux St, Surry Hills it is walking distance from Central Station. They do some great roasts and will have something to satisfy your palate.
    When in an area you do not know Beanhunter is a good guide provided you read through a few of the ratings to get a better overview. Enjoy your stay in Sydney

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    Yonika I know exactly what you like because I like that kind of Espresso too. (I like some of the new slightly lighter more citrus roasts also)

    Guys he has answered all the questions that have been re-asked already.

    He just wants a rich, full bodied old-style Espresso from a medium-dark roast that is neither too bitter nor too acid.
    I don't think he is looking for rubbish like Vittoria or Lavazza.

    Unfortunately I rarely visit Sydney so I can't suggest anywhere.

    He would love Andy's "WOW". That is what he is after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yonika View Post
    I am from Israel. But itís difficult to know by that I think. Because I donít know if youíve been there and Baristas in Israel suck most of the time.

    I usually drink double espressos.
    And I think Israelís coffee culture is leaning more towards the Italian type of taste.
    Welcome to Australia Yonika.

    I suspect you enjoy similar coffee to me.

    I like relatively dark roasted beans with a percentage of Robusta (Italian style) not easy to find nowadays, as you have observed the trend in Australia does seem to have gravitated toward light roasts.

    I cant recommend cafes in Sydney, however if you can find a decent Italian cafe/restaurant/pizza bar near where your staying you may find something more to your liking, no guarantee's, however worth looking for, keep us informed.

    Good luck with your quest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonika View Post
    We are from Israel.

    There is one place here in castle hill - called the tuckshop which are really serious about their coffee... it’s the first place I tried, And it was fruity / lemony as hell. My wife says the latte was great. Guess that’s why. But everywhere else we tried was far worse.
    If you go into the city, Reuben Hills on Albion Street Surry Hills (not far from Central Station) is good (they ARE hipsters, but the espresso is not under-roasted). If you were going to the west of the CBD (say to visit the Powerhouse Museum), Soma on the corner of Ultimo Road and Harris Street is pretty good. Kingswood Coffee at World Square is also quite ok.

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    If you see any cafes with beans from 'The Wood Roaster' their 'Calm Before the Storm' blend was 2% robusta, and was my home staple for a while.

    Otherwise perhaps look for any place that looks genuinely Italian? You could also try the beanhunter website - I do find the usefulness of the reviews to be unreliable.

    Good luck on the hunt for your desired brew!
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    It certainly does seem as though light roasts are favoured here. I also drink dark roast, not at all keen on those fruity/acidic sour flavours that you get in the light roasts and have been disappointed by the past 2 bags of beans I bought. I think it's just a matter of trial and error, some cafes here in Sydney use nice dark roast blends so just keep trying until you find one you like.

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    I was the same as you, yonika. I'm from North America and was used to drinking stale, over-roasted, or generally bland coffee.

    Now I crave that citrus note whenever I return home.. I usually only notice it in places like Vancouver or Seattle



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