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Thread: Liberica beans Availability in Australia

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    Question Liberica beans Availability in Australia

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    Hi Everyone,

    I am new to this board, I would appreciate if someone would verify to me if this is the right section to ask my enqueries:

    I once traveled to South East Asia, SEA and tried this 10mm bean in length, dark roast liberica beans. The way I can describe it has an intense body, strong aroma, high acid that would cut through milk base coffee with an aftertaste of a jackfruit...Does anyone tried these beans before? I want to know your thoughts and opinion on these liberica beans which is exotic and rare...Does anyone know where it can be purchase this bean in Australia...local availabilty in NSW? Any response is highly appreciated.


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    This is the right section.
    If you use the Search function on this page to search for liberica, you will find several threads/posts on the topic over the years. From what I understand, it isn't of the same quality as arabica. I would guess if the site owner Andy had encountered it and thought it of good enough quality, you might find it in Beanbay, this site's marketplace.
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    If we're lucky Andy will have a 'novelty bean' month similar to the 'Robusta festival' that left Greenbay cluttered with Robusta that nobody is buying.

    Upside for us is we could get things like Maragogype, Liberica etc to try.

    Downside for Andy is Greenbay is left cluttered with Liberica, Barako etc that nobody wants to buy. Your description of Liberica matches what I've seen previously - that it's harsh and un-coffee-like, same as Robusta

    My vote is for Coffeea ambongensis from Madagascar - nobody knows what it tastes like and the beans are so big you'd probably have to break them in half before they'll go into most grinders:
    Coffea ambongensis J.-F.Leroy ex A.P.Davis & Rakotonas. | Plants of the World Online | Kew Science
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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    If we're lucky Andy will have a 'novelty bean' month similar to the 'Robusta festival' that left Greenbay cluttered with Robusta that nobody is buying.

    Upside for us is we could get things like Maragogype, Liberica etc to try.

    Downside for Andy is Greenbay is left cluttered with Liberica, Barako etc that nobody wants to buy. Your description of Liberica matches what I've seen previously - that it's harsh and un-coffee-like, same as Robusta

    My vote is for Coffeea ambongensis from Madagascar - nobody knows what it tastes like and the beans are so big you'd probably have to break them in half before they'll go into most grinders:
    Coffea ambongensis J.-F.Leroy ex A.P.Davis & Rakotonas. | Plants of the World Online | Kew Science

    This is a piss-poor posting and should be deleted. Any mis-fortune of Andy is a mis-fortune for all of us- even though there is nothing to confirm the Robusta isn’t selling. Andy goes out of his way to bring new coffees to the bay and I’m sure he does it purely out of passion for coffee.
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    In hindsight, I suspect the OP could be a spammer on a fishing expedition. Someone who has liberica beans for sale and testing the waters for interest.
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    Hi,

    My palate is not yet into a level of some professional cuppers, Im doing a research and found that in some parts of the coffee belt nations Liberica is well accepted, say Indonesia, Philippines, etc.Each country has its own technique to brew. In the west and Oceana region I find the taste becomes subjective, some do like, some hate it. That is why I did approach this board asking for a experience thoughts about the taste profile not but hearsay but by personal experience. For those who made the input info, i appreciate it Just saying. Thanks everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
    This is a piss-poor posting and should be deleted. Any mis-fortune of Andy is a mis-fortune for all of us- even though there is nothing to confirm the Robusta isn’t selling. Andy goes out of his way to bring new coffees to the bay and I’m sure he does it purely out of passion for coffee.
    Totally agree! And by the way those Robusta are awesome. Added to about 10% in blends just adds a fantastic dimension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
    This is a piss-poor posting and should be deleted. Any mis-fortune of Andy is a mis-fortune for all of us- even though there is nothing to confirm the Robusta isnít selling. Andy goes out of his way to bring new coffees to the bay and Iím sure he does it purely out of passion for coffee.
    Either I've missed the sarcasm in your post or you've missed it in the one you quoted.

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    Liberica -
    pretty nasty and nearly only available in the Philippines. If it was possible to produce a Liberica nearly drinkable without condensed milk, sugar and butter to hide the unique flavours then other regions would grow this coffee too as it is pest resistant and easy to grow in lower altitudes. Rare doesn't mean good. If you can get enough people together to buy a tonne we'll try and import it else it is something that we would have trouble giving away.


    Robusta -
    Thanks Gavisconi007. We actually have trouble keeping stock up to the robusta range, certainly far from cluttered and unsold. These are some of the best available and best value Robustas and most CS'rs are having fun experimenting with them. I have a couple of commercial customers that use them heavily in their custom blends.


    Madagascar -
    I met someone at a coffee function who had bought a couple of container loads of Madagascar low caffeine beans. The story went something like this. He visited multiple times during harvest and loading and then flew home. When the coffee didn't arrive he contacted the other end who went very quiet. When he contacted the authorities they pretty much shrugged and said "not shipping is good for our economy". **shudder** It never got resolved, bye bye $300,000.

    We land lots of interesting stuff and have done for nearly 15 years. We are still here because we don't land things that will shut the doors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveD View Post
    Totally agree! And by the way those Robusta are awesome. Added to about 10% in blends just adds a fantastic dimension.
    I know I'm out on a limb with my dislike of Robusta. I wish I could get behind it... I was just in Bangkok, China, Mongolia and Russia. All countries you go to when your doctor tells you to give up coffee. Pretty much all I could get was Robusta. I almost started drinking tea.

    If I add around 5% robusta to a blend I end up pouring out the cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    I know I'm out on a limb with my dislike of Robusta. I wish I could get behind it... I was just in Bangkok, China, Mongolia and Russia. All countries you go to when your doctor tells you to give up coffee. Pretty much all I could get was Robusta. I almost started drinking tea.

    If I add around 5% robusta to a blend I end up pouring out the cup.
    Have to say, I add about 10% Robusta to a blend once in a while and find it very much to my liking, the last lot I had was India Magundi Sundried, ran out a while back, time to reorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    I know I'm out on a limb with my dislike of Robusta. I wish I could get behind it... I was just in Bangkok, China, Mongolia and Russia. All countries you go to when your doctor tells you to give up coffee. Pretty much all I could get was Robusta. I almost started drinking tea.

    If I add around 5% robusta to a blend I end up pouring out the cup.
    Most robusta needs to rest longer (for my palate anyway), so when I use it I roast it separately and add to younger arabica blends.
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    [QUOTE=Andy;660441]Liberica -
    [QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE]pretty nasty and nearly only available in the Philippines. If it was possible to produce a Liberica nearly drinkable without condensed milk, sugar and butter to hide the unique flavours then other regions would grow this coffee too as it is pest resistant and easy to grow in lower altitudes. Rare doesn't mean good. If you can get enough people together to buy a tonne we'll try and import it else it is something that we would have trouble giving away.
    Hi Andy,
    Thanks for your input. I just wonder whether liberica will only grow in certain climatic (tropical/monsoon)and soil condition. If other countries can grow liberica in the tropics and others dont have it in their region, say Columbia and Brazil, does that mean there is certain condition for a liberica tree to grow? Any expert input is greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    I know I'm out on a limb with my dislike of Robusta.
    If so, I'm on the same limb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Most robusta needs to rest longer (for my palate anyway), so when I use it I roast it separately and add to younger arabica blends.
    Yep, ditto for me...

    I s'pose I should add it to the list of beans in a blend I'm roasting but I usually forget because the Robusta is about two weeks ahead of my CS Arabica blends, Anyway, roughly 10% ends up in pretty well every batch I bag up...

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    I think liberica is one of the beans in Vietnamese coffee? I.e. the iced coffee you get in Viet restaurants.

    As Andy said, likely undrinkable without condensed milk. But extremely delicious with it, I think!

    Grown for its disease resistance, no doubt, making a cheap product. You'll probably struggle to find a good quality producer the same way robustas here are sourced.

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    Nup, Viet coffee is 100% robusta roasted dark enough to show oils and let rest for months.

    It's easy to recreate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Nup, Viet coffee is 100% robusta roasted dark enough to show oils and let rest for months.

    It's easy to recreate!
    Sounds enticing.

    Not sure I would want to recreate it.
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    Have to admit until reading this thread had not even heard of Liberica beans.

    Trees grow to 65 feet! I imagine special equipment needed for picking, perhaps a shaker???

    Found this description online:

    ďManly Coffee.Ē eh, guess that'd get the attention of the macho types.

    "Liberica
    An heirloom coffee species that offers a completely different flavor to the two big players. Liberica are huge coffee berries that have smoky, nutty, dark chocolate notes when roasted and brewed. The coffee bearingtrees themselves can grow up to 65 feet, towering over their counterparts.
    Native to Western and Central Africa, the species was introduced in Indonesia at the close of the 19th century to replace the arabica trees killed by rust. The species is now grown in Africa, South America and South East Asia, where its production has earned it a dedicated following in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Malaysia.
    Because Liberica has run into near extinction in the past and isnít widely cultivated, it is a rare commodity that can be expensive in California (given youíre even able to find it). Its smoldering, dense flavors are not for every palate, so the Filipinos named it ďManly Coffee.Ē
    The current method for profiling coffee focuses on where the plant is grown, and that certainly affects your coffee but it doesnít tell the whole story. Few people ask what species of bean they are drinking, although this is something that can make an immense difference."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Have to admit until reading this thread had not even heard of Liberica beans
    You could have seen it here ...
    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-c...-pr-ncipe.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Hmmmm, missed it, looks like a lot of others did as well.

    Will fill the gap now.

    Interesting! had heard of Principe, had no idea where it was.

    Beans used in production of high grade chocolate.

    The islanders are not coffee drinkers.

    Green up to EUR16 kg at plantation, no wonder its not well know.

    Thanks Flynn.
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    Well Sao Tomť coffee is (up to) €16 per kg. I imagine the Philipinno liberica coffee would be much cheaper and Sao Tome and Principle has a much higher cost of living.

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    Liberica is available from an expat Filipino in NZ and Iíve tried it. It has lots more flavour than robusta. Thatís only a good thing if you like cheese flavoured coffee. Horrible stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Liberica is available from an expat Filipino in NZ and Iíve tried it. It has lots more flavour than robusta. Thatís only a good thing if you like cheese flavoured coffee. Horrible stuff.
    Having first hand experience with Filipino cuisine, it could well have been cheese flavoured (with real cheese)

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Having first hand experience with Filipino cuisine, it could well have been cheese flavoured (with real cheese)
    No itís a well known flavour attribute of Liberica unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Nup, Viet coffee is 100% robusta roasted dark enough to show oils and let rest for months.

    It's easy to recreate!
    My bad, I swore I read it on the back of a packet of Trung Nguyen once, but it must have been excelsa, as shown here.

    Another one to avoid!



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