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    Grinding to order - a reasonable expectation?

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    This relates to a previous thread (You should run a mile when...) but it might be worth a new one. *When I was in Melbourne last week I managed to sample some espressi from a dozen or so establishments. *From the outset, Ill say that I didnt have any BAD coffees (and none better than my own), but I was reminded of that thread when with the exception of Maltitude, each place made my coffee from *ground beans that were in the grinders (usually enormous) hopper. *For all I know, some may have been there for days - some perhaps hours, at best. *My point is this; do we, as consumers have the right to expect coffee made from beans that have been ground espressly for us as well as extracted espressly for us? That is what espresso IS! *Whenever I saw this sad sight, my heart not only sank, but I viewed the place with a type of revulsion and disgust. *It gave a particularly negative expectation to each coffee I ordered. *I know that some of these places go gangbusters all day and its all about saving time, but many of them were not busy, and the early morning coffees I had may well have been yesterdays grinds. *I was also unimpressed with the ubiquitous Chux™ wipes and dirty tea towels draped about the machines. *I couldnt help but cast an eye about the floors and sinks that were on display - something I would not advise, if personal health and well-being is a priority. *I know that these places do not perhaps know any better - and trade is good, but do CSers agree that we are entitled to freshly ground beans? *I would never say "Ill have a freshly ground one, thanks.." and my usual response is to make a mental note never return - which of course makes no difference to places outside of my home town. *Any thoughts? *Has anyone been *brave enough to ask for what I believe we are paying for when we are away from our own set-ups?

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    We do (dose by sight) at all times- except during peaks when we can guarantee that ground coffee will not sit around.....even though the authors of "that article" in the current Bean Scene would have that behaviour described as "Excessive Random Dosing Syndrome"....They actively discourage dosing by sight and tell us to keep our dosing chambers full at all times * ???

    The mind boggles, hey?? ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1121155644/0#1 date=1121156887
    We do (dose by sight) at all times- except during peaks when we can guarantee that ground coffee will sit around.....even though the authors of "that article" in the current Bean Scene would have that behaviour described as "Excessive Random Dosing Syndrome"....The actively discourage dosing by sight and tell us to keep our dosing chambers full at all times ???

    The mind boggles, hey?? ::)
    Ah the difference between someone whos in it purely for commercial gain as oppossed to someone whos in it for the love of the coffee.

    Java "Excessive Random Dosing Syndrome Extradinaire" phile

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    It seems very unlikely that any reasonable volume coffee shop would have ground coffee sitting in a hopper for long at all. The first cups served in the morning would be the real test. ;)

    If an establishment seems to take pride in their product Im sure they would appreciate feedback. Aussies have a bad habit of voting with their feet rather than their mouth.

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    Agree that most good cafes will go through coffee pretty quickly. We do around 30kilos/week- but I feel that coffee sitting around in hoppers will normally be an alert to keep an eye out for other bad behaviours such as not rinsing groupheads/wiping out filter baskets, underdosing, poor grinder adjustment, no backflushing, leaving grinders full overnight and reheated milk....Most cafes break one or more of the rules....and if I see another 15 second 40ml shot....Im gonna bag the offending cafes in my classes *:P

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    reheated milk....
    I was in the Barossa recently and visited a very nice fortified wine cellar called Illaparra in Tanunda where you can drink port, muscat, tokay in a very nice booth setup as well as a very neat looking coffee bar in the middle. All this sits underneath some massive wine barrels making the whole environment very intriguing.

    There is a sign out the front stating that they have the best barista in the Barossa. Kudos to the fortifieds, but brickbats to the coffee; as we sat there chatting about good port the lady serving us took a jug out of the fridge and topped it up with the remainder of the milk from our flat whites. :-X The coffee was very poor, although I should point out they didnt have their winning barista working that day.

    I did get a very good flat white at Blond Coffee in Angaston, most well known as the home of Angas Park the dried fruit company.



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