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    Buying a plunger

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    Hello all :)

    Coffee newbie here, loves a good coffee and learning to make one myself!
    I work in IT and as such a good coffee is essential to have a good day.
    I live in Sydney and so far the best cappuccino Ive ever had is at the Central Station
    coffee cart. Now I dont go there everyday and wish that I can start learning to make
    a good coffee at home.

    I googled around about buying a coffee machine and was just overwhelmed of so much
    information on how to make a good coffee! I decided I better start with a low-cost
    investment first and opted for a plunger.

    Now, is there any brand recommendation to buy a plunger? Tips?

    Thank you ;)

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    I recommend a Bodum.

    They cost a bit but its worth it for the quality as opposed to the "cheap" ones around.

    I think I saw some at Peters of Kensington the other day that were a bit cheaper than at other outlets.

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    Hi afton and welcome to CS!

    For little more than a good plunger, you can get an AeroPress (we sell them).

    Ive sold dozens of them to CSers in the past few months - and for good reason ;)

    Take a look here for more info...

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1203772677/5#5

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuppacoffee link=1215261362/0#2 date=1215266247
    For little more than a good plunger, you can get an AeroPress (we sell them).
    Hi cuppacoffee,

    Thanks for the suggestion, whats the difference in taste between
    AeroPress and coffee plunger for the same coffee?

    Is this review http://june4bellies.blogspot.com/200...aeropress.html accurate?

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    Hi Afton

    And welcome to CS

    I got an Aeropress from Cuppacoffee before travelling OS and found that with a little practice it can make a really nice coffee. Im really happy with it.

    IMHO its quite superior to a plunger and I prefer it to my stovetop. (though not compared to my Espresso Machine)

    For about $50 its a geat investment in reasonable coffee

    However you need to get good fresh coffee to get the best out of any process.

    Regards
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    Hi afton, Dennis here from cuppacoffee.

    There is a huge difference between a plunger and an Aero. The Aero uses as small amount of water and this is forced through the grinds and a paper filter by air pressure. Therefore the coffee doesnt stew in water before being served.

    The coffee produced by an Aero has IMO a much cleaner taste than plunger, probably due to the short steep time and excellent filtration - there is no sediment left in the cup.

    Then again, plunger coffee is thicker in mouthfeel, as a fair amount remains suspended in the cup - not necessarily a bad thing - just different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1215261362/0#5 date=1215328708
    The coffee produced by an Aero has IMO a much cleaner taste than plunger, probably due to the short steep time and excellent filtration - there is no sediment left in the cup.
    Interesting.... ok, what would be a good coffee for an Aeropress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afton link=1215261362/0#6 date=1215729595

    Interesting.... *ok, what would be a good coffee for an Aeropress?
    I particularly like the Antigua Pastorales, Daterra Sweet Collection, Huehuetenango and PNG Kimel. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1215261362/0#7 date=1215729983

    I particularly like the Antigua Pastorales, Daterra Sweet Collection, Huehuetenango and PNG Kimel. ;)
    Thanks for the quick reply :)
    Whats the suitable grind setting for Aeropress - espresso, filter or plunger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afton link=1215261362/0#8 date=1215730954
    Whats the suitable grind setting for Aeropress - espresso, filter or plunger?
    Definitely nowhere near plunger - the coffee would pour through far too quickly!

    Coarser than espresso and finer than filter - depends on your grinder to some extent, though try half-way between the two as a starting point. At worst, youll only make a couple of sacrificial shots before finding a sweet spot.

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    Afton;

    Today I had coffee from plunger and aeropress. Aeropress gives comparatively clean, grit-free, non acidic coffee as compared to plunger. For people that is used to thicker brew (due to suspended solids), aeropress will taste a bit weaker.

    But thats personal preference. I liked my recently bought from Dennis aeropress, in some ways it is an improvement from plunger, but I would treat them as two separate drinks. Heck, get both if you can ;)

    I have put 4 different SO in the aeropress, all works great and I put them in espresso grind. Just need to press harder, and I found it gives better brew than coarse grind. Again, personal preference. You can make short or long brew, another advantage over plunger. Oh, and I got crema ;) and thats a big plus.

    Aeropress is easy to experiment with.

    Hope this helps.


    Rudy

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudy link=1215261362/0#10 date=1215749026
    Oh, and I got crema ;) and thats a big plus.
    WOW! I dont own an Aeropress (yet) but I didnt think crema would have been that possible with it. I would have though the paper filter would have impeded it. But what do I know? ::) (dont answer that)

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    Beg, and I will let you in the secret ::)

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    Yep, you do get a kind of "airy" crema but I dont know that it is actually crema as produced from an espresso machine. I think it might be more associated with the "bloom" that occurs after the hot water hits the freshly ground coffee..... could be wrong of course :-?,

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    It is not the same one as you get from espresso machine, but better than complete flat of course :)

    I am going to try a few variables tomorrow to see if I can produce thicker bloom ::)

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    Hey Afton

    Another manual machine that should not be overlooked is the Presso

    I am not sure how it compares to the Aeropress but worth a look
    But I think the Aeropress would be the most affordable of the two

    They both require a grind close to espresso
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1215261362/0#9 date=1215742550
    Quote Originally Posted by afton link=1215261362/0#8 date=1215730954
    Whats the suitable grind setting for Aeropress - espresso, filter or plunger?
    Definitely nowhere near plunger - the coffee would pour through far too quickly!

    Coarser than espresso and finer than filter - depends on your grinder to some extent, though try half-way between the two as a starting point. *At worst, youll only make a couple of sacrificial shots before finding a sweet spot. *
    Thanks again for replying Dennis ~
    Hmmm if I purchase the Antigua Pastorales from you, could you grind it like the above? (I dont have a grinder yet)
    Actually isnt that a good idea for you? - why dont put "Ground for AeroPress" as an additional option in your online store?
    - since you seem to sell the AeroPress like hotcakes *;D

    Im sure your AeroPress customers would be delighted that you have a special grind option for the AeroPress!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1215261362/0#15 date=1215778371
    Hey Afton

    Another manual machine that should not be overlooked is the Presso

    I am not sure how it compares to the Aeropress but worth a look
    But I think the Aeropress would be the most affordable of the two

    They both require a grind close to espresso
    KK

    I now have both a Presso and an Aeropress. Some may disagree but the Presso is effectively an espresso machine that produces a syrupy shot with crema. If you have that shot with milk, it cuts through very strongly.

    On the other hand, the Aeropress is more closely related to the plunger or drip filter which produces a strong, rich shot but it doesnt pack the punch of an espresso shot. Despite the principle being similar, the pressures generated in the Presso are far greater than in the Aeropress.

    The Aeropress is very convenient to use at work. iN the mornings I grind about 18 grams of coffee into a plastic urine sample jar (wierd I know, but they are the perfect size and the lid seals well). At work I Aeropress a shot into the cup, add a fair bit of milk and finally zap in the microwave. I have been experimenting with the grind and ratio of coffee to water with very good results but I do notice that you dont get as much of the good stuff out of 18 grams of coffee as you would from the Presso. The Aeropress however is fast, mess free and discrete and produces far superior coffee to either the plunger or the drip filter.

    From what I have heard, the Aeropress rivals a cheap espresso machine (pressurised baskets etc) for shot quality at a fraction of the cost. With a good grinder etc, the Presso is probably as good as a prosumer espresso machine (albeit no steamer and not so good if you have a big coffee drinking family to cater for).

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    Sheldon & Hammond in Hornsby are the distributors for a lot of quality coffee stuff, and they have brands like AVANTI, Stockholm, and WMF. This German company makes some of the best looking plungers around. They are always winning design awards for their work - try them out if you can find them around. Cant help you there, but like someone else said, Peters of Kensington should have them.

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    Well Al

    > With a good grinder etc, the Presso is probably as good as
    > a prosumer espresso machine ...

    Next year at the Aroma Festival I would love you to join the shootout with the prosumer espresso machines :-) No joking - it would be quiet fun.

    Mike
    [ who has spend lots of $ on a prosumer espresso machine when I could have got the same coffee shots as with a Presso :-) ]




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    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1215261362/0#15 date=1215778371
    Hey Afton
    Another manual machine that should not be overlooked is the Presso
    KK
    Interesting and unique design! I certainly like the environmental-friendly aspect of it.

    The review below said that after a year the O ring fails and the hot water blown into your face,
    so although the result is good, it might be a safety hazard.
    http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/vacpots/pressomanual/brentski

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    Quote Originally Posted by speleomike link=1215261362/0#19 date=1215955093
    Well Al

    > With a good grinder etc, the Presso is probably as good as
    > a prosumer espresso machine ...

    Next year at the Aroma Festival I would love you to join the shootout with the prosumer espresso machines :-) No joking - it would be quiet fun.

    Mike
    [ who has spend lots of $ on a prosumer espresso machine when I could have got the same coffee shots as with a Presso :-) ]
    OOOh, do I detect a little spite behind your friendly emotocons?

    I presume the machine has to perform like a gatling gun to keep up with the pace at the Aroma festival, although the same effect might be achieved with 10 Pressos in a line. The Presso doesnt froth milk like your double boiler machine can. Also machine users tweak their settings after throwing away a whole lot of shots to get to the perfect cup. I really hate waste so am not interested in doing that, especially after waiting 20 minutes for the machine to warm up.

    So I agree, perhaps a prosumer machine can produce a better shot after throwing away many shots, which could also be done with a Presso in theory but it would take a whole lot longer, be more tedious, and would create more mess.

    I need Coffee Prince et al to come to my defence...




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    Hi all

    > OOOh, do I detect a little spite behind your friendly emotocons?
    Not half :-)

    > Also machine users tweak their settings after throwing away a whole lot
    > of shots to get to the perfect cup. I really hate waste so am not
    > interested in doing that, especially after waiting 20 minutes for the
    > machine to warm up.

    A wonderfully creative excuse :-) I shall goad you into Aroma Fest next year.

    Best wishes
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by speleomike link=1215261362/20#22 date=1216000766
    Hi all

    > OOOh, do I detect a little spite behind your friendly emotocons?
    Not half :-)

    > Also machine users tweak their settings after throwing away a whole lot
    > of shots to get to the perfect cup. I really hate waste so am not
    > interested in doing that, especially after waiting 20 minutes for the
    > machine to warm up.

    A wonderfully creative excuse :-) I shall goad you into Aroma Fest next year.

    Best wishes
    Mike

    and I could catch a bus to the festival...

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    perhaps a prosumer machine can produce a better shot after throwing away many shots


    The last sink shot I remember was with the Silvia (a little less forgiving - to me anyway).
    With the VBM the only waste coffee is grind leveling. Of course these can be swept up and used.
    Dialing in a new bean or adjusting the grind each day as the beans age and temp changes etc does not necessarily mean these shots are not worthy of drinking, especially if drinking milk based coffees.
    I have never had a wasted shot on the VBM, but maybe Im not fussy or just cant bear the thought of not drinking it ;D

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    I always sink a shot after backflushing.
    Just feel better not drinking the first one after have chemicals in the internals and PF/basket.

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    And thats what it says in the instructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1215261362/0#15 date=1215778371
    Hey Afton

    Another manual machine that should not be overlooked is the Presso
    Thanks for the suggestion :)
    So many choices its bewildering! How about Atomic Coffee Machine - is it any good?
    (compared to Presso/ EM6910/ Sylvia).

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    An Atomic is a stove top.
    The other 3 make espresso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyfeet link=1215261362/0#4 date=1215305452
    Hi Afton

    And welcome to CS

    I got an Aeropress from Cuppacoffee before travelling OS and found that with a little practice it can make a really nice coffee. Im really happy with it.

    IMHO its quite superior to a plunger and I prefer it to my stovetop. (though not compared to my Espresso Machine)
    I have a Bodum plunger and Brikka stovetop pot and rather disappointed with them
    - they dont give the the same caffeine jolt as an espresso/cappuccino.

    Hows the caffeine content of a coffee made from Aeropress and espresso machine compared?


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    Quote Originally Posted by afton link=1215261362/20#29 date=1217231432

    I have a Bodum plunger and Brikka stovetop pot and rather disappointed with them
    - they dont give the the same caffeine jolt as an espresso/cappuccino.

    Hows the caffeine content of a coffee made from Aeropress and espresso machine compared?
    Well, thats strange afton, as both a plunger and stovetop extract way more caffeine than an espresso machine.

    So, based on your tastes, I wouldnt recommend the AeroPress to you...unless you choose to drink straight robusta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1215261362/20#30 date=1217233148

    Well, thats strange afton, as both a plunger and stovetop extract way more caffeine than an espresso machine.

    So, based on your tastes, I wouldnt recommend the AeroPress to you...unless you choose to drink straight robusta.
    Yeah interesting Dennis, as Im watching the "Black Coffee" documentary and Ernesto Illy said that too.
    I have to ask what beans does my barista use!



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