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    cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

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    hi, first time poster long time reader. i was wondereing if anyone can shed some light on what exactly is a cataldo, because i believe there is some confusion in the newcastle cafe district. when i enquired as to what a cataldo is, i was informed i might know it better as a piccolo latte, but i have since been told i may have actually been drinking a ristretto! please help.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Huh? Maybe a piccolo latte with a ristretto base. Im not in the cafe scene so dont really know the lingo that goes on. Have heard cataldo being thrown around, but no dice, sorry.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    ristretto = restricted shot
    piccolo latte = small latte (90-120ml) - could be made on an espresso or a ristretto base...

    pretty obvious difference - one has milk in it ;)

    Ive never heard of a cataldo.


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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Google only turns up a surname and a town in Idaho.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    come to think of it, Ive never heard of it.... :-[

    I was thinking of something else *::)

    edit: oh I see Im not the only one :-/

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    maybe its spanish or sumthin?

    Google tends to be a bit unsuitable for foreign non-english words.

    Just watched this good russian movie, "Shik" on SBS last night (aka. "The Suit" or "Chic" in English countries). It was surprisingly good, and had the same feel/themes of Naguib Mahfouzs "Midaq Alley" - but in a eastern european setting instead.

    Anyway, I couldnt find anything on google. Searches were totally out of whack.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Havent heard of it either...though that wouldnt be a surprise.

    Are you sure it wasnt "caldo"? *In Italian, a machiatto caldo would mean to add a little hot milk.

    Welcome to CS btw.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Cortado?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
    http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/recipes/17533

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1220920969/0#7 date=1220926285
    Cortado?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
    http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/recipes/17533
    Ahh, that makes more sense. So basically, equal parts espresso and milk - but the milk shouldnt have any microfoam at all?

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Hmm so straight outta tha jug milk. I think Renzo hits those up sometimes. Ive seen him pull a double and then splash some milk in.

    But in those links is says a mini capp? I dont know haha. Either way itd still taste like coffee with milk to me ::) Ill get there on day haha

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    thanks for all your responses, and the warm welcome to cs! i have made and consumed 3 cortados this morning since i posted the original question, and i didnt even know it! im obviously a greenbean. i will inform the local cafe they are serving cortados disguised as cataldos. but a cortado by any other name......

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    There is a cafe in Newcastle that serves what they call a Cataldo. If you order one you get a Piccolo Latte. Im fairly sure I was told is was a Spanish... but that was a couple of years ago.

    The cafe Im talking about is opposite Newcastle beach, I wont mention the name in case it is against a posting law Ive misundertstood. The mystery name sounds kind of Spanish.

    Good to see another Novacastrian Coffeesnob, there will be almost enough of us for an official get together.


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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    its possibly a newcastle thing, cause there is nothing about it in a google search relating to coffee. im guessing someone misspelled cortado, and everyone else copied!

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    There are at least 3 cafes in Newcastle that serve Cataldos - Estobar, Goldbergs and Longbench. It shouldnt be against the law to post their names, were not saying theyre bad, they actually all make good coffee. I think its our duty as coffee connisseurs to let them know theyve got it wrong though ;)

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Wooo another from newwy right here :P (well, by weekend. By week I am a dweller of the gong)

    not a fan on longbench tbh. My regular was suspension espresso in izzo, but thats really gone down hill lately...

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle link=1220920969/0#8 date=1220926917
    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1220920969/0#7 date=1220926285
    Cortado?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
    http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/recipes/17533
    Ahh, that makes more sense. So basically, equal parts espresso and milk - but the milk shouldnt have any microfoam at all?
    Ive also heard this concoction called a mezza-mezza. My Italian is a bit dodgy, but I think it means level-level, as in mezzanine.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1220920969/0#15 date=1221022842
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle link=1220920969/0#8 date=1220926917
    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1220920969/0#7 date=1220926285
    Cortado?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
    http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/recipes/17533
    Ahh, that makes more sense. So basically, equal parts espresso and milk - but the milk shouldnt have any microfoam at all?
    Ive also heard this concoction called a mezza-mezza. *My Italian is a bit dodgy, but I think it means level-level, as in mezzanine.
    Or if you get your coffee from the old Aromas franchise they call it a Bongo.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    mezzo - meaning half

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyb link=1220920969/0#17 date=1221024262
    mezzo - meaning half
    Well, I was kinda close Josh! ;D

    Apparently its Dean Merlos choice of brekky drink.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    now Sugar High must be from Newcastle ;D
    you feel like you have won the lottery when you get a coffee that tastes like coffee huh

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1220920969/0#18 date=1221025743
    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyb link=1220920969/0#17 date=1221024262
    mezzo - meaning half
    Well, I was kinda close Josh! ;D

    Apparently its Dean Merlos choice of brekky drink.
    Yeah :) its basically half a cap
    or a cap in a 90ml cup.

    A piccolo latte in the 90ml glass would be exactly the same. Piccolo latte gets you alot of different sizes from diff cafes though.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    Must be a Novacastrian thing.

    I asked for a latte made on a double ristretto base at Deck 56 Belmont (my underhanded technique to reduce the chance of over-shot bitter coffee at cafes). The guy looked at me puzzled and asked quietly "whats a ristretto?", and then went away and had a discussion behind the counter with another guy who proceeded to bring me a totally gorgeous doppio ristretto, and suggested I ask for a cataldo next time. Which he described as meaning cut with milk.

    Except what I really wanted was not a cataldo, but a double ristretto base made up to a normal sized latte at the normal ratios. Which Im sure has no other name than fussy ladys drink. ;) But hey, Id grab another doppio ristretto from the same barista any day there now - no need for my safe cafe drink when hes on.

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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

    I know it as a Cortado - spanish for cut. Like a halfway point between a mach and a pic.


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    Re: cataldo, ristretto, piccolo latte. difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1220920969/0#16 date=1221023891
    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1220920969/0#15 date=1221022842
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle link=1220920969/0#8 date=1220926917
    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1220920969/0#7 date=1220926285
    Cortado?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
    http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/recipes/17533
    Ahh, that makes more sense. So basically, equal parts espresso and milk - but the milk shouldnt have any microfoam at all?
    Ive also heard this concoction called a mezza-mezza. *My Italian is a bit dodgy, but I think it means level-level, as in mezzanine.
    Or if you get your coffee from the old Aromas franchise they call it a Bongo.
    I used to work at the Aromas in the Darwin airport. *Every now and then someone would enquire as to what a Bongo was and Id just say "Honestly, I dont know. *No one has ever ordered one!". I know it was explained to me on my first day, but I soon forgot as I never had to make one.



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