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    What does strong mean?

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    Ive noticed lately that if I ask for a double flat white at a cafe the barista quite often says in reply " so you want a strong coffee." I usually reply "yes, a double thanks." Again the barista replies "Yes, a strong coffee."

    What is a strong coffee?

    What happened to doubles?

    My greatest fear is that strong in some establishments means, just let the pour run longer.








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    Dont take that cr@p from them.
    "Strong" is relative.
    A double is absolute.

    If they start, keep asking questions.
    Make sure a single is a single and a double is a double.
    If you have to, ask to see the baskets and watch them make it.

    They really should understand.
    If they dont understand the lingo then dont botherr with them.

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    Whilst in Mudgee recently I took Thundergods recommended approach, and eventually was told by the barista that a strong coffee was made in a double basket with "2 clicks." This was his final word on the subject. I mentioned that my grinder does not have a dosing lever, and as such I couldnt follow his sage advice. I was then told I needed to get a proper grinder.

    Anybody want to buy a Mazzer Mini-e so I can get myself a proper grinder? *:-?

    Somebody needs to phone Mazzer and tell them to stop production of the new Robur Doserless *;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Framey link=1222509768/0#2 date=1222523101
    ... and eventually was told by the barista that a strong coffee was made in a double basket with "2 clicks." This was his final word on the subject. I mentioned that my grinder does not have a dosing lever... and.... I was then told I needed to get a proper grinder.
    You were not talking to a barista. You had a conversation with a PBTC (person behind the counter). To call this person a barista is like calling the folks working at MacDonalds, "Chefs." With folks like that I usually pull them down the road with questions like, Where did you receive your training, how many times a day do you adjust the grinder, and such. Many times, the answer to teh last is, "The manager doesnt let us adjust the grinder— its already adjusted when he comes in first thing in the morning."

    ... But thank goodness that I have a Mazzer Kony with a doser! Of course, I have defeated the doser by setting it to dispense the smallest amount of coffee possible and only dose and grind per use. I guess I dont know what I am doing, and the last five weeks of great pulls, day after day, mean nothing. :o

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    HeHe. Ive got a MM that clicks. Id offer to swap, but who wants to stand there holding a PF -- the Minis not that speedy!

    Well hes right, 2 clicks is a double (if the dosers full, and its setup right, and...) When did the "double" terminology becomes "standard" anyway?

    Now wondering if a "cappucino forte" would still get me a double latte in Pellegrinos... :-?

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    Re: What does strong mean?

    Hmmm,

    Well, my standard Latte would be close to a triple into about 150ml of milk with Long Blacks backed off to a double and espressos? Depends how I feel at the time, sometimes a triple and other times a double. Ive never really considered whether the coffee is strong or weak, its just the way I like to drink it ;)

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    Re: What does strong mean?

    Same here Randy.
    My doser is set to minimum.
    Its easier to fill the basket that way for me as I already have the dose measured before grinding.

    My standard flat white would be about the same as Mals cafe latte.
    My double basket is really a triple (I wonder how much I can fit in my triple?).

    Randy, I was reading an article yesterday, and while I agree with your approach about where the PBTC was trained, the article pointed out that David Makin has no formal qualifications. *;D

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    Re: What does strong mean?

    I read that one too. Just shows that whats on paper doesnt necessarily mean anything, despite the fact that apparently in this world nothing exists unless its on paper. Hmmmmmmmm....................

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    The paper means nothing to some when it comes to making coffee.

    When I went for that job about 18 months ago all the guy cared about was experience.

    (I got the job anyway)

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    True too. You can study for years, but if you cant do it, you cant do it. Ability/experience is what delivers in the end.



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