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    What happened to International Roast??

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    Gday all,
    I was perusing the Daily Telegraph this morning and this article jumped out at me on the front page. Its complete with the mayor leaning next to the De Longhi auto, holding a cup that looks like its got a custard tart in it :P.

    Meet the mayor with a $1550 craving for hot coffee.

    By LARISSA CUMMINGS

    April 19, 2006

    WITH cappuccinos, lattes and short blacks on the menu, the executive offices of Fairfield City Council could be mistaken for an inner-city cafe.

    However, Mayor Nick Lalich makes no apologies for buying an espresso coffee machine with $1550 of ratepayers money.

    Mr Lalich yesterday said the machine, bought with a council credit card last August, was used by himself and general manager Alan Young to offer guests "professional-style coffee" during meetings.

    "I host delegates from overseas and interstate about twice a week, and I meet with constituents over local matters almost daily, and its nice to offer them a cappuccino," Mr Lalich said.

    Cabramatta Chamber of Commerce secretary and local resident Ken Chapman said the machine was a blatant waste of public money.

    Must *have been a slow news day *:-?.
    All the best.

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    Somebody should introduce both the mayor and the journalist to CS. Teach them what good coffee is really all about! :)

    Imagine the writers outrage when the mayor goes out and buys a $10,000 roaster for his office. I had a laugh It could be the start of a whole new bureaucracy! Coming soon to a politicians office near you, the Department of Coffee! We could all get jobs for the local fatcat roasting up their beans! giggled like a schoolgirl

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    It had better be a fully auto at that price.

    He could have gotten off a lot cheaper by buying a milk frother, and simply using instant. His "guests" would surely not know the difference.

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    At the risk of taking this thread to a political bent, does anyone complain about private companies spending money on things like coffee machines? My company has 2 Saeco Royals and spends around $1500 a quarter on beans.

    What next? A Current Affair doing an expose on all that taxpayers money being wasted on luxuries like 2-ply toilet paper? Air conditioning? Phones?

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    The story is fair enough I think. Can anyone spot the problem though?

    To me it is the inference that good coffee is not for ordinary people but rather important people.

    The fact is any office can lift its game by providing nice coffee for its workers. In the context of people earning 30 -100k per annum each in an office, a superautomatic and a supply of beans, is really a cheap perk for workers and keeps them happy and in the office.

    f..the mayor though. Another up himself legend in his own mind. I bet he would be the first to veto giving the average worker a decent cappuccino.

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidR link=1145435865/0#3 date=1149264132
    At the risk of taking this thread to a political bent, does anyone complain about private companies spending money on things like coffee machines? My company has 2 Saeco Royals and spends around $1500 a quarter on beans.

    What next? A Current Affair doing an expose on all that taxpayers money being wasted on luxuries like 2-ply toilet paper? Air conditioning? Phones?
    Not wishing to get into a political debate but there is a big difference between the two.
    Private company = private money.
    Council = public i.e. yours and my money.
    Grant mentioned about companies providing a perk to the employees to keep them motivated and working, which is a great idea, but this machine seems only to serve the manager and a few selected people, not his employees.
    Just my rant, dont take offence anyone please 8-)

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    The problem is they bought something like a Saeco auto which produces very mediocre coffee for the money. ;)

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    Wired:

    I disagree with you about the mediocre coffee. Sure it isnt as good as a manual machine.

    We have a Saeco in our office and I use it every day and I think very highly of it.

    Sure not as good as a manual machine but how can any automatic compete with the loving care given to every shot in a manual machine?

    Grant

    PS. I respect opinions but we should remember the saying opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one!" :) and youre entitled to one of course!

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    Hey I love a good animated discussion. 8-)

    My only up close and personal experience with this type of machine was a friend who had a Royale and eventually wrecked the builtin grinder and blew some seals trying to make a half decent cup of espresso. It is my not so humble opinion that $1500 for an automatic that produces a shot in 10-15 seconds and uses a crema enhancer to make soap suds out of milk does not produce good coffee. Id be unsurprised to find this outfit using bricks of coffee beans.

    I didnt say there arent practical constraints to making good coffee in an office environment but Id rather drink tea than anything second rate.

    But then again I am a CS afterall.

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    Wired:

    It is pretty hard to really ruin coffee if you dont burn it or use too cool an extraction temperature.

    We shouldnt forget that espresso is just someones idea of how a particular process should operate and what the result should be.

    The automatics underextract the espresso as they cant get the grind as precise as you can in a manual machine. They then require a crema enhancer to get some crema on it, as you say.

    Overall though the result is still pretty good provided you use good beans which we do.

    Grant

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    Re: What happened to International Roast??

    I agree with you wattgn. *We have a very old office/vending saeco automatic at work. *We use fresh beans and drink ristrettos. *Our coffee can be better than almost all cafes in Perth (maybe thats not saying much!). *Our machine doesnt have a crema enhancer but we do get acceptable crema. *Rinsing the transport mechanism every day or two and using fresh coffee makes all the difference. *Of course the extraction doesnt compare with what I get at home using the same beans in my e61 but I am happy to drink it at work. *I also have managed to tune a couple of superautos for my brother and father. *Again, fresh beans (plus turn on pre-brew, turn off pre-grind) and you do get drinkable results.

    Back to the issue though... *You could argue that a private companys money is also our money to some extent as we pay for whatever they do when we buy their products. *I am more outraged that running shoes cost hundreds so that celebrity sports stars can get a squillion while the actual workers get cents.

    Oh yeah and "what happened to international roast"? Didnt anyone notice that Nescafe just introduced "Short Black" instant coffee?

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