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    Baristas seek licence to drive

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    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19511474-421,00.html

    Amen to that.

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    Re: Baristas seek licence to drive

    Indeed!

    Will there be a demerit point system for serving bad coffees? :D

    Can one have their license revoked for drinking at the wheel? ;)

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    Re: Baristas seek licence to drive

    I reckon the cafe in the base of a big building in Melbourne doing a 6 second long black filled to the brim (including tertiary extraction) should have their staff and owners locked up for good with no chance of ever getting a licence ;)

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    Re: Baristas seek licence to drive

    It has been my experience that with licensing for occupations if its a train and forget type situation having a licensing program does very little to improve the quality out in the actual workplace.

    If the licensing is followed up with on-going unannounced surprise quality checks at the workplace, only then do I see these types of programs working to improve what the customer receives.

    If once youre licensed youre ignored in the work place then Im afraid the program will end up being nothing but a money making opportunity for those teaching the courses and issueing the licenses as has happened in so many other businesses.

    Once done with a licensing course and hired in the real world the make as much as I can as fast as I can profit motive of the owners/managers will quickly over-rule the licensees more time consuming quality orientation.

    Only where the owners/managers have a passion for coffee will this not be the case, and with these people the training is for the most part superfluous as theyve already trained their baristas.

    In the end programs of this type with no on-going verification/recertification are nothing but an excuse for someone to make money off the training and to give the person/business another piece of flash to hang in the window. Only when the person/business is in danger of loosing their license if they dont maintain quality (checked via surprise unannounced visits) do licensing programs work.

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    Re: Baristas seek licence to drive

    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1150758728/0#2 date=1150762635
    I reckon the cafe in the base of a big building in Melbourne doing a 6 second long black filled to the brim (including tertiary extraction) should have their staff and owners locked up for good with no chance of ever getting a licence ;)
    Oh my!!

    Dont those idiots know you can get it down to 4 seconds if you dont tamp at all and grind coarser?!

    I certainly hope thats the kind of thing youre teaching 2mcm ;-)

    Lachlan

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    Re: Baristas seek licence to drive

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachlan link=1150758728/0#4 date=1150767109
    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1150758728/0#2 date=1150762635
    I reckon the cafe in the base of a big building in Melbourne doing a 6 second long black filled to the brim (including tertiary extraction) should have their staff and owners locked up for good with no chance of ever getting a licence ;)
    Oh my!!

    Dont those idiots know you can get it down to 4 seconds if you dont tamp at all and grind coarser?!

    I certainly hope thats the kind of thing youre teaching 2mcm ;-)

    Lachlan
    Next time I go past....I think I might devote some time to checking if they actually load any coffee into the portafilter ;) ;D

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    Re: Baristas seek licence to drive

    In theory I agree with "licensing" or "accreditation" of people with skills.

    In practice, it is not always workable and there are a lot of downsides to this sort of thing.

    The first thing that springs to my mind, is would this sort of thing be off putting to potential baristas? If this does go down the path that the AASCA pushes then I will be very skeptical of their licensing. So far what I have seen is a boys club that wants to control the industry in their way. That article that was above, screamed that out to me.

    I am also a swimming coach and I am an accredited and licensed one, even just to step foot on the pool deck. And it also ensures that I am coaching the kids to a standard. In order to even get insurance I have to be a member of our coaches association and have a licence with the National Accreditation Scheme.

    However, the cynical side of me sees that this is also a bit of a boys club. However, and thankfully, so do they and are now making an effort to adjust this imbalance. I am no raving feminist I hasten to add but it is important to be aware of the fact that the most people who are involved with the teaching and early stages of swimming with children are in fact, women. And when its just men in charge, we get an imbalance in regards to ensuring that everyone gets a fair go.

    Sorry guys, if I have offended, but all I am doing is trying to show you a womans point of view! :)

    In light of all this, I thought that an accreditation scheme already existed?? Is this not good enough for the ASSCA or have I missed something in the article. If youre accredited surely that means youve got a licence of some sort. Or have they only implemented an accreditation scheme and not put in the licensing system in to back it up? That seems odd. Can someone please enlighten me? :-?



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