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    Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

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    Hi Everyone:

    Ok, this will be a nice relaxed and not terribly organised cafe day for those CSers in Perth.

    It will be at my place in 20 Ashton Rise, Woodvale.

    In fact a lack of organisation will be theme this time on account that I am busy with some studies this time of the year.

    This will be a chance to bring some beans (any sort of blend or SO) and show what you can do as barista on my Bezzera 40-P! *If you are beanless, it matters NOT.

    The only stipulation is that beans will be tasted in order that people reply to myself via an instant message or by posting on this thread.

    That is if I get say 10 people, all with beans to cup (unlikely but it could happen) then we may just have to restrict ourselves to say the first six or however many we can get through in two hours or so.

    Feel free to bring biscuits, chippies, cake or whatever but it isnt compulsory.

    Again please contact me to tell me you are coming so that I know the numbers to expect.

    We got about 10 people at our last cafe day a few weeks back which was very good going I thought.

    Grant


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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Grant

    I will come along with a heat gun roast.

    See you then.

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    Sounds like a great day Grant [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    I really look forward to seeing a picture of your "coffee corner" after a dozen sandgropers have all had a crack at spreading home roasted coffee-grounds around ;D



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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Hey Grant,

    nice machine!

    time for a grinder upgrade though......

    ;) ;)

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Tim:

    Id upgrade to a Rocky Doserles from a Mazzer any day!

    :)

    Grant

    PS. Not the other way around though. Everyone I know spends their days fantasising ways of taking the damned doser off.

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    nope....

    love mine

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Grant:
    Ill be there for sure... Will bring a snack and a blend!
    Cant wait to see Bezzera in all her glory,
    Matt

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Grant, that should be fine for me too. Do you want a lowly :-[ Silvia along for the day? I can bring mine with Rocky?
    Ill bring a blend thats tasting good at the time.
    Thanks for organising the day again.

    Cheers

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    Hi Alec, Matt and Alan:

    Good to have you along!

    Alan, re the Silvia. There wont be room in the kitchen for two machines and grinders but thanks anyway. I have good memories of the Silvia!

    Does anyone have any thoughts on a doserless versus doser grinder for the day?

    The Rocky will be on the stainless steel side of the sink so that all the mess, which there will be plenty of can empty into the sink with just a wipe of the cloth.

    Ideally, a grinder with a doser and a slide so that you can empty the hopper like the one at Supreme might be the go.

    The next best thing is probably the Rocky Doserless as the minimum wastage will occur with the doserless and it has an easy step adjustment.

    Grant

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1123506524/0#8 date=1123597337
    Does anyone have any thoughts on a doserless versus doser grinder for the day?
    Ill bring the Mini so you can decide whether the doser really is that crap [edit: sorry, I meant useless, crap probably sets the wrong tone - many people do think that the doser is "crap" and have said so, so I said "crap" too].

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    Please stay tuned for grinder wars in WA [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Alec:

    Im sure the Mazzer is a damn fine grinder and I really would appreciate you bringing one with you. :)

    There is no doubt for cafe days that a grinder with a doser is the way to go for the same reasons that cafes and restaurants dont use doserless grinders!

    The doserless is what I want though for day to day use. I had three years of a doser and was glad to get rid of it. I found that I ground coffee for use later as it was a pain to deal with the doser for single shots. I now grind for each shot and, aside from the extra mess, I find it much better.

    Remember that even a less expensive grinder like the Rocky is way overspecified for home use. 165W direct drive motor, 52mm burrs and a chunky 9kg assembly to keep the grind precise. I cant fault it and I really cant see how another grinder could do the job better.

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1123506524/0#11 date=1123624664
    I cant fault it and I really cant see how another grinder could do the job better.
    Cant argue with that. A $280 Lux grinder also does the job just as well. When you buy a Mini you pay for build quality.

    Doser is something you either learn to live with and enjoy using or you dont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1123506524/0#10 date=1123603473
    Please stay tuned for grinder wars in WA *[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
    I once offered for a friend to bring his Delonghi grinder over so that I could put it through the Mini and make espresso with it. That would be a bit harder with the Rocky as youd need to take it apart first, although that is easier if it is doserless ;)

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Count me in Grant !

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Alec

    I have the Rocky doser model, and i must say making only really one shot a day with it, its just a pain in the a$$ :( and a place for stale grounds to accumulate. Ive sometimes resorted to vacuuming out the doser.
    Is there a mod to make it doserless? I assume the doser bit just unbolts to leave the ground chute.
    Itll be interesting to see the Mini and Rocky doserless side by side.

    Looks like we have the makings for a Grinder Shootout on the day! ;)

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    My Rocky is doserless and I wouldnt have it any other way. I am the only coffee drinker in the house and I like to have a different bean at breakfast than I do at lunch. So at most I will grind for 2 or 3 shots a day. As a result I would be forever clearing out the doser.

    As Grant says it depends on your use. If you are making lots of coffees a doser would be invaluable. Not for small scale operations like mine.

    Cheers,

    Louis

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Nooooooooooo,
    I have a wedding I forgot about in Fremantle at 2:30
    How long does it take to get to Freo from your place Grant?
    Im kidding myself aren’t I?
    Looks like I might miss out again…
    Unless... you have room for 150 wedding guests ;)
    Have fun with the grind-off,
    Matt

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Quote Originally Posted by bigal link=1123506524/15#15 date=1123645205
    Alec,
    Is there a mod to make it doserless? I assume the doser bit just unbolts to leave the ground chute.
    Itll be interesting to see the Mini and Rocky doserless side by side.

    Looks like we have the makings for a Grinder Shootout on the day! ;)
    Hi bigal,

    Sorry, but you cant mod a Rocky Doser into a D/Less. Apparently each grinder uses a very different housing to suit the purpose of each one. I guess if you had the workshop, the tools and the expertise nothing is impossible but it might be better to see if you can setup a "swap" with someone who wants a Doser model.

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    Thanks Mal,

    I just did a quick bit of googling and found the same. I guess i will just live with it ::)
    Would be nice to have the rocky for decaf and get a mazzer for the good stuf :D

    Alan.

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    Matt:

    That is bad luck, for you, hopefully not for the groom.

    Enjoy the wedding anyway.

    Re the grinders, doserless is definitely the way to go, imho, *for general home use. *When I had a grinder with a doser I never bothered vacuuming it but in the end I decided that he best compromise was to grind for a day or two at a time. *When I look back though I realise that that wasnt a good idea as the properties of the grind change so quickly. *I also like a stepped adjustment as I drink one coffee in the morning and then decaf at night and it makes it easier to adjust back and forth. *The only issue with the Rocky is that sometimes the beans can block around the finger guard. *A lot of people remove it for that reason but I havent bothered. *When that happens you have to give it a tap.

    Anyway, guys for you equipment junkies (thats most of us I suspect :) ), you can see a Mazzer and a Rocky together!

    See you cant get a perfect machine, but for the cafe day, the Mazzer is definitely the choice machine...

    Grant

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    OK, all smart@rse grinder cracks aside, I will try to be serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn link=1123506524/15#20 date=1123787877
    I decided that he best compromise was to grind for a day or two at a time.
    When I look back though I realise that that wasnt a good idea as the properties of the grind change so quickly.
    not to mention that ground coffee is only good to turf on your garden after 30-40 minutes.....
    OK, I take ground coffee to work with me sometimes but its a big compromise.
    Generally I know that with a combo of using the bean-chute slide, timing the grind (in my head:1000,2000,etc) and adjusting how much the Mazzer doser dumps, I rarely grind much more than I need to.
    If I had a couple of big beefs about the doser on the mini:
    1. The sweeping arms dont do a good clean-up job so Im left with a few old grounds in the doser unless I clean up every time (which I dont). I havent done the "mattyj" velcro mod to improve this yet but I guess I should.
    2. The doser throws the grinds hard left which means if you leave the handle in the rather low-set fork, some misses and makes a mess, to counter this, I hold the handle right under the doser release chute....a minor inconvenience.
    These are minor inconveniences set against what I see as some prodigious plusses. I did use a d/less Rocky demo unit in a shop a while back and it seemed pretty darn good too.
    So I havent discarded the d/less Mazzer idea, I saw Esspresso Parts had a conversion kit, but I think it only works on the bigger Mazzer models.
    Im too much of a ham-hands to try to make my own....
    Happy cafe-day Grant, Ill be keen to see a "mighty doser Vs doserless shoot-out" report as well as some more impressions of your new beasty.

    Tim

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    Hi there

    Count me in. I am grinding my way through my first starter pack and will bring my first fruits.

    I joined the Rocky ranks last month, the doserless model made more sense to me. Let me know if I should bring another de Longi to grind up, it tried hard and almost made the grade...

    Willem

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    Dear Villem:

    Excellent. Sounds like some enthusiasm out there!

    You ordered a popper didnt you about two months ago? I remember you mentioned it the first cafe day we had.

    Well, now you are with bean and have a decent grinder and a decent machine, the sky is the limit in terms fo quality.

    I love my Bezzera but the Silvia will make espressos the equal of any machine, you just have to understand how to surf the temperature cycles of the boiler. Even with the Bezzera there is temperature variations with the temperature/pressure of the boiler.

    All the best


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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Well, I ordered the popper through e-bay and it has not arrived yet. That is a story for another day. In the mean time I bought a Breville popcorn popper which is quite convenient but give the beans a dull look and smell. At least the beans are roasted to a consistent colour and tastes good. I also continue to experiment with a heat gun and the pan method but cannot get it right yet. Some beans roast dark, some light and I cannot get a good feel for the crack.

    I was wondering about the boiler temperatures but I cannot figure out how it actually works without dissembling the machine. Please share your knowledge.

    What I have worked out in the meantime, is a routine of first frothing my milk, switch off the steamer switch, run a cup of water (by which time the heating indicator lights up) in the cup I intend to use (to warm the cup and the filter head and to reduce water temperature), grind the beans and make my coffee. Is there a better way?

    Whichever way, I get myself a great coffee!

    Willem

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    Dear Willem:

    Who was the vendor on ebay and did you report him to ebay?

    Sounds suspect. Unfortunately ebay is a bit of a wild westa and it is quite common for people to get ripped off.

    If you purchased using your credit card it might be time to consider getting the charge reversed and maybe buying one of these Imex CR-100 poppers for $110. Basic but probably OK. The guy who sells them Vitali group is just in the next suburb. Let me know if you are interested.

    You routine sounds ok although the most important point is where in the boiler cycle you pull the shot. I always pulled it right after the light went out and the water is close to boiling here. Sparky reckons about 1.5 minutes after the light goes out and I think he is right. It gives it time to cool off from boiling.

    Grant

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    Im sorry Grant - I have double booked myself and I cant get out of the other thing so Ill have to pike on the 27th.

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    Re: Cafe Day - Perth August 27th 1pm - 3pm

    Grant,
    Thanks for organising another great coffee day Grant.

    Was great to use the bz40 after all the work to get it back working well, and work well it did. Even forgeting to purge before the shot, i managed to pull a great tasting Ristretto with SO Kenyan which was not burnt at all.

    As an idea for the next cafe day, would could try and formulate our own Perth CS blend? Get 5 or 6 SO to taste, see what we like, then look to blending and tasting different blends/combinations in the next cafe day....just a random thought anyway.

    Alex i think i will be saving my pennies for a mazzer mini, a very nice grinder indeed.

    Cheers





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    Alan:

    Yes, could be a good idea. It would involve some SO blends like Java or Mendheling and maybe some robusta too which we could use along with some of the better SO beans.

    This would require some planning ie. people would have to be nominated to supply certain beans both for this cafe day and the next one.

    The cafe day after that would involve the same people bringing the same beans along and we would blend them at the start of the cafe day and then do the cuppings.

    It would give continuity from one cafe day to the next.

    Grant

    PS. that ristretto was delicious!



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