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    Grinders Coffee and Qantas Partnership

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Enjoy our new, tastier coffee in the air. From August this year, Qantas is proud to welcome Grinders Coffee in First and Business onboard all flights worldwide. Whether its freshly brewed plunger coffee in Business or a macchiato coffee made from our espresso machine in First, Grinders Coffee is renown for its premium quality and taste.

    Grinders Coffee first started in Lygon Street, Carlton, the traditional heart of Melbournes Italian community. Two Italian coffee roasters Giancarlo Giusti and Rino Benassi established Grinders in 1962, and theyve been supplying the Australian market ever since.

    Grinders have developed a high quality coffee blend exclusively for Qantas. You can experience this blend yourself the next time you fly First or Business at 30,000 feet above the ground.

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    Re: Grinders Coffee and Qantas Partnership

    Unsurprising. Grinders = Coca Cola Amatil. I think that they have been pushing to expand to SE Asia as well.

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    Yepperz- I hear they have had a good sniff around in the hope of another coffee company or two also...

    I still wouldnt be spending up big on business class in the hope of a great cup though...Will be interesting to see how the brand and product are interpreted into the mile high club ;)

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    out of interest, does anyone know what the effects are on an espresso machine in an environment that is pressurised to around 10,000 feet above sea level?

    Generally speaking, I know that the boiling point of water drops to about 85C or thereabouts at altitude. Clearly, the airlines have worked it out and Im guessing the machines settings would be tweaked to compensate for the difference in ambient pressure.

    Thats just a guess though!

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    I recall reading that that aircraft are pressurised to around 5000 feet...:-/ It stops people getting altitude sickness....

    I think that they have always had machines for 1st class in their 747s...I recall training a few flight attendants a couple of years ago...I bet that theyre probably using superautos tho....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1158971335/0#4 date=1159008658
    I recall reading that that aircraft are pressurised to around 5000 feet...:-/ It stops people getting altitude sickness....
    Actually,

    It is 10,000 feet..... trying to construct an aircraft that could withstand the enormous differential between 5,000 and 30,000+ feet would require a much heavier and therefore, more expensive proposition to operate. From memory, its 13,000 feet and above where altitude sickness starts to become an issue for some people,

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    (temporary thread divergence)

    :D

    Um, Mal? When tourists come up to +9,500ft here in the Rocky Mountains, you know, to visit their grand kids, or live a little of their idealized fantasy of being big, rough and tumble outdoors types - often enough we end up transporting them back down to Denver with altitude sickness (everything from pulminary edema to sunstroke and beyond). It seems to be the threshold for many folks who come from sea level (or have pre-existing health issues). By the time the rest of them get to the ski areas and start playing tag with 10-12,000ft, well, they make lots of money for those counties agencies!

    I volunteer (in a non-medical capacity) with our rural ambulance service - monitor the radios, help clean, cook, and whatever else when it gets busy. Been doing what I can ever since they saved my life from rapid onset RSV + acute asthma (In three hours I went from having flu-like symptoms to being unable to reach the phone, and coughing up little rice-sized pieces of lung) ten years ago. Ive come to understand just how much a good rural ambulance crew can do (its not the load & do fast transport of metro areas - transports up here can run from 1-2 hours one way, depending on how far back we find the patient).

    (divergence ends)

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    Hi LB,

    Yep I think youre on the money there, mainly because of the association of activity in an oxygen depleted atmosphere. In a pressurised aircraft where passengers are expected to remain more or less sedentary while flying, the critical altitude can be increased. Im pretty sure that for aircraft flying at high altitudes, the cabin and cockpit pressures are maintained equivalent to an altitude of between 8,000 and 10,000 feet..... it comes down to a balance of economics against that of human endurance in low oxygen atmospheres I guess. I know when I worked in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, travelling twice daily between 1,500 feet ASL to 9,500 feet ASL (by road), it took me quite a while to become used to that extreme variation before I could work usefully at the higher altitude. Interesting piece of hardware, the human body :).

    I think with the highlight of Deep Vein Thrombosis problems being encountered on long duration high altitude flights in recent times, aircraft manufacturers are now designing the next generation of passenger aircraft so that they will be able to withstand pressure differentials much greater than current designs by the use of high strength composite materials in critical areas of stress. I think they are going to try pressurisation numbers to maintain the cabin and cockpit at the 5,000 feet ASL mentioned by Chris... much more comfortable and healthy for all concerned. Now, as you say..... back to all things coffee ::),

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    Re: Grinders Coffee and Qantas Partnership

    FAA regulations requires a cabin-pressure altitude of not more than 8,000 feet at maximal operating altitude of the aircraft under normal operating conditions.

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    Indeed it is Java :),

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    Id like to see what sort of machine they use. I bet it wasnt cheap ;D
    It would have to be designed not only to operate at 8,000ft cabin altitude, but the wiring, structure and electonics would have to be designed to meet aviation standards. In addition the unit would have to be designed so that if the cabin were to depressurise at max flight altitude, it wouldnt fail in such a way that it would create a hazard. The internals would also need to be strong enough to meet in-flight g loads and the the unit would need to be restrained against becoming a flying hazard under crash loads. Not a small amount of work by any means!

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    I bet they use a Presso


    If not - they should!

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    Illy style pods?

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    Im thinking itll be more like Baldrick from Blackadder goes forth.

    From wikipedia:
    Blackadder: Now Baldrick, fix me some coffee, and make it taste slightly less like mud this time.
    Baldrick: Not easy Im afraid, Sir
    Blackadder: And why is this?
    Baldrick: cause it is mud. We ran out of coffee 6 months ago
    Blackadder: Brilliant. So every time Ive drunk your coffee for the past 6 months, I have in fact, been drinking, hot mud.
    Baldrick: With sugar...
    Blackadder: ...which makes all the difference
    Baldrick: Well, it would if we had any sugar, but we ran out Christmas Eve 1915. Since when, Ive been using sugar substitute...
    Blackadder: ...Which is?
    Baldrick: Dandruff. But I could add some milk this time, or, Saliva
    Blackadder: No thank you Baldrick. Call me Mr. Picky, but I think Ill pass.
    Baldrick: Thats probably because youre mad, sir!
    Blackadder: Well, White!

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    Re: Grinders Coffee and Qantas Partnership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1158971335/0#7 date=1159031404
    Hi LB,



    I think with the highlight of Deep Vein Thrombosis problems being encountered on long duration high altitude flights in recent times, aircraft manufacturers are now designing the next generation of passenger aircraft so that they will be able to withstand pressure differentials much greater than current designs by the use of high strength composite materials in critical areas of stress. I think they are going to try pressurisation numbers to maintain the cabin and cockpit at the 5,000 feet ASL mentioned by Chris... much more comfortable and healthy for all concerned. Now, as you say..... back to all things coffee ::),

    Mal.
    The Boeing 787 is this such airliner...its cabin pressure will be 6,000feet... lowest ever for an Airliner.. and humidifiers for more comfortability.

    http://www.newairplane.com/

    Qantas has ordered 45 of these.. with 65 options... First delieveries going to Jetstar international...

    My other interest is Aviation :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G link=1158971335/0#10 date=1159094943
    Id like to see what sort of machine they use. I bet it wasnt cheap *;D
    It would have to be designed not only to operate at 8,000ft cabin altitude, but the wiring, structure and electonics would have to be designed to meet aviation standards. In addition the unit would have to be designed so that if the cabin were to depressurise at max flight altitude, it wouldnt fail in such a way that it would create a hazard. The internals would also need to be strong enough to meet in-flight g loads and the the unit would need to be restrained against becoming a flying hazard under crash loads. Not a small amount of work by any means!
    Do you think they thought of all that?

    Heres another one or two:
    How do they store the coffee and do they grind in flight?

    Or three:
    On long flights would they roast their own beans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1158971335/0#14 date=1159143212
    The Boeing 787 is this such airliner...its cabin pressure will be 6,000feet... lowest ever for an Airliner.. and humidifiers for more comfortability.

    http://www.newairplane.com/

    Qantas has ordered 45 of these.. with 65 options... First delieveries going to Jetstar international...

    My other interest is Aviation :-)
    Good one Mark,

    Will definitely try to have a close look at one of these when they arrive, Im also interested in flying in a more general sense, and built quarter-scale and larger, Radio Control aircraft for fun. Havent got em anymore though, all sold about 8 years ago :(.

    Cheers Mate,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1158971335/0#12 date=1159099576
    Illy style pods?
    I was talking to a roaster whole is trialing a pod making machine imported recently. They are planning to release a single origin, estate grown Australian bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1158971335/15#16 date=1159195043
    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1158971335/0#14 date=1159143212
    The Boeing 787 is this such airliner...its cabin pressure will be 6,000feet... lowest ever for an Airliner.. and humidifiers for more comfortability.

    http://www.newairplane.com/

    Qantas has ordered 45 of these.. with 65 options... First delieveries going to Jetstar international...

    My other interest is Aviation :-)
    Good one Mark,

    Will definitely try to have a close look at one of these when they arrive, Im also interested in flying in a more general sense, and built quarter-scale and larger, Radio Control aircraft for fun. Havent got em anymore though, all sold about 8 years ago :(.

    Cheers Mate,
    Mal.
    Thanks Mal,

    Im inching to get into RC flying... I drive my wife nuts with all my hobbies... Thank God she likes a good coffee (And thank God for Coffee full stop)... and has good discernment to tell me if its good or not.. she keeps me accountable :-)

    PS... Will be attending the Richmond AF base Airshow in October 21-22... cant wait for that :-)

    Anyway... back on topic :-)

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    Hi guys.

    I just read this thread and being a Qantas engineer, let me help.
    Firstly, the cabin is pressurised to about 8000 feet with the aircraft at cruise. The reason being is that the risk of hypoxia (lack of oxygenation of the vital tissues) tends to occur above about 10000 feet. The reason for this is not the "lack" of oxygen, as there is still the same percentage (roughly 21%), but rather the partial pressure of O2 drops as you gain altitude. Those of you who scuba dive will be aware of the opposite. So, there is not enough pressure to push the O2 molecules across the cell membrane in your lungs. Eventually, you will metabolise the available oxygen in your system and asphyxiate. The higher you go, the faster this will happen.

    The grinders coffee is supplied pre-ground, in small vacuum sealed packets. Not sure about the coffee machines though (I deal with the outside of the aircraft), but I can check. You can rest assured that they will be expensive though, as just about everything in aviation (spare parts wise) is! The g loads are really not that great a concern on a commercial airliner in normal flight conditions. All equipment is suitably restrained as per FAA/CASA/EASA regulations.
    Aircraft and components undergo rigourous testing to achieve certification. Some of the tests are spectacular.. but I digress.

    HTH. *:)

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    Some of the tests are spectacular.. but I digress.
    Dont one of the engine manufacturers shoot frozen chickens at the spinning turbines as one of their tests?

    I seem to recall an Urban Legend going along with that. Apologies if Ive already bored people with this one.

    The chickens were shot out of a mortar like tube using compressed air.
    A high speed camera was set up to record the test.
    There was a stray cat that used to hang around the testing area. Once the chickens were obliterated by the turbines, the cat would scrounge around for the defrosting bits.
    On one particular day, they were setting up and noticed that the cat was not around. Since it was a stray, they didnt worry too much. They did the testing and the film was then retrieved for reviewing.
    As they reviewed the high speed film, they saw a very surprised cat on top of the frozen chicken, being shot out of the mortar.
    All 9 at once!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy link=1158971335/15#20 date=1159425995
    Some of the tests are spectacular.. but I digress.
    Dont one of the engine manufacturers shoot frozen chickens at the spinning turbines as one of their tests?

    Not so sure about the frozen chicken thing. Manufacturers do, however, "fire" birds at specific places on the fan (the bit at the front as opposed to the turbine which is at the back) on running engines to see what happens. The birds are dead before the test commences. One test that I saw involved using a 3lb bird and another test used 3 x 1.5lb birds. They are laser guided (believe it or not!) and using ultra high speed film they record the whole test for analysis. Another test they put explosives at the base of three fan blades and when the engine was running they detonated the charges. And yet another test involved bending a wing until it failed. The wing was set up in a jig and the wing tip was bent upwards and moved a distance of 29 feet (about 9 metres) before it fractured and failed. That was on a 747-400.
    So those of you who are afraid of flying, rest assured, these aircraft are pretty tough!
    Anyway...I digress...again!

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    Ive seen the chicken test done on aircraft windscreens as well.

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    Ah, aircraft talk...::sighs::


    Id imagine the general public would get a shock if they saw just how far those wings can bend under load, Flo! ;)

    There were some terrific images of 747s landing at the old Hong Kong airport that were getting around via email and as one of my father-in-laws mates was an ex-check captain for Qantas, I asked him just how bad it was landing there and he said, the pictures certainly told the story! Many times he witnessed planes touch wing tips and engine cowls on the runway! Must have always been a shock for the passengers to see those sparks flying...

    Not a test as such but I did love the story about the ramp accident where the ground crewsman was inadvertently sucked into the engine of one large machine. He was crossing in front of it, had not noticed it was still running and thankfully only made it as far as the screen behind the fan. He was lucky that the pilot witnessed it happen and shut the engine down quickly. He only suffered from bruising and broken ribs. This is a true story AFIK, it was reported in the CASA Flight Safety mag (which of course we get multitude copies of out here. Nice to see taxpayers dollars at work!) amongst many other stupid accidents that occur, even with all this OH & S!

    Now, what was this thread about again? ;D

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    I havent gone airplane shooting/spotting for a years, have things changed post 11/9? Security must be stricter on photography.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1158971335/0#4 date=1159008658
    ...I recall training a few flight attendants a couple of years ago...I bet that theyre probably using superautos tho....
    That reminds me of when we (Gravity (nz brand, not the robusta laden australian gravity) ) were supplying Air New Zealand with coffee. In the first week they wanted to send back the entire order because they could not plunge the coffee. Well, after everyone put their hand up to spend a few hours with the air-hostess, it was found in the training that they had not stirred the coffee.

    I think it would have to be superautos all the way with this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice link=1158971335/15#25 date=1159491938
    I havent gone airplane shooting/spotting for a years, have things changed post 11/9? Security must be stricter on photography.
    True, aviation isnt as much fun as it used to be :(. *Security is serious, to get my airside pass I am subjected to a fairly in-depth seciruty check every couple of years. No chance of getting to see the cockpit anymore either.

    That frozen chicken incident is believed to have happened in Britain when they were brid strike testing the wing leading edge or cockpit glass of the BAE 146. Thats the story anyway. Apparently the frozen chicken won.

    There have been a few instances of people being sucked into engines, some lucky, some not so lucky. But I think if he made it past the fan, there wouldnt be much left!

    And the relation to coffee? Well I think that you are more likely to be killed by the food or choke on the coffee than have something serious happen to the aircraft ;D. *

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G link=1158971335/15#27 date=1159496293
    True, aviation isnt as much fun as it used to be :(. Security is serious, to get my airside pass I am subjected to a fairly in-depth seciruty check every couple of years. No chance of getting to see the cockpit anymore either.
    Yeah, my pilot man got his ASIC card only last week. That was after applying for it in June of last year when he did his chief pilots examination! :o TG he hasnt needed it out here on our hugely high security airport! giggled like a schoolgirl! And he is also the designated security officer for it as well! Yay CASA! :P ::)

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    My ASIC has to be renewed every 2 years, although it only takes a couple of months to be processed (depending on how many they have to do). It has to go through the federal police and ASIO to make sure Im legit.. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1158971335/15#28 date=1159519968
    Yeah, my pilot man got his ASIC card only last week. That was after applying for it in June of last year when he did his chief pilots examination!
    Sounds like they need more robusta in their coffee to helpem get moving! ;) ;D


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    I am quite novice about coffee. I read that arabica has more acidity than robusta, and robusta has more body. Any suggestions about my first purchase of green beans to roast at home. :-/

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    Christmas Dawn - I think you might have that the wrong way around - Robusta has more acidity (and higher caffeine) and arabica has the body.

    If I were you Id buy the starter pack from the bean bay (top left under the logo). That has 4 different types of beans to try.

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    Damn - just read your post in the cement mixer thread - youre in Texas! Hmmmm perhaps sweetmarias for beans? Youll probably find you can get some locally from whole food suppliers (places with the big bags of spices, flour and grains that you can scoop into a bag) or even from local coffee roasters. Otherwise there is plenty of order-on-line capacity over there and www.sweetmarias.com would get you started.



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