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    Time Magazine Starbucks rant

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Ok, fess up. *Which one of us is moonlighting for *Time Magazine? *This "post"

    http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...593723,00.html

    seems to have all the acerbity of a Coffeesnob rant.

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    Love it! ;D

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    What self respecting snob would drink that stuff anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1172553130/0#2 date=1172554551
    What self respecting snob would drink that stuff anyway?
    Excellent point, Wushoes.

    But I say that being guilty of having condemned before trying. Many colleagues also tell me McDonalds is good -- again, I may never be in a position to prove them wrong. Or right.

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    Ordered a ristretto from HQ at Monash Uni today. Almost cremaless swill. Wasnt the worst Ive had. They have a line of girls in a production line; one pulls shots, one steams, one pours. They use the red Espro tampers and 3 LM FB70s lined up. Looks impressive. But I was disappointed...the standard there is usually quite good even though they pump out coffees like machines. There was a decent barista there who used to pull good shots...but has since left.

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    it seems like his main problem is that he cant have his starbucks coffee cause everyone wants it. I have tried starbucks once. I ordered a latte and it came in a 400ml paper cup, I could barely taste the coffee in it. was soooo milky, never again.

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    Re: Time Magazine Starbucks rant

    Quote Originally Posted by robusto link=1172553130/0#3 date=1172554828
    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1172553130/0#2 date=1172554551
    What self respecting snob would drink that stuff anyway?
    Excellent point, Wushoes.

    But I say that being guilty of having condemned before trying. Many colleagues also tell me McDonalds is good -- again, I may never be in a position to prove them wrong. Or right.

    --Robusto
    Well... I was in Fitzroy on Saturday, waiting for my car. Spent hours window shopping. Went to McDonalds to use the ladies and felt obliged to buy something. I can now safely condemn the McDonalds coffee, having tried it. ;D

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    Just out of curiosity, Judy, what was it like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muppet_man67 link=1172553130/0#5 date=1172561074
    it seems like his main problem is that he cant have his starbucks coffee cause everyone wants it. I have tried starbucks once. I ordered a latte and it came in a 400ml paper cup, I could barely taste the coffee in it. was soooo milky, never again.
    Yes I have been a victim there also, not only is it such a large cup it comes at a minimum temperature of scalding hot! So not only can you not taste that coffee you cant taste anything for the rest of the week. Last time I went to one I wanted to do some college work somewhere so I bought an OJ, from the bottle so they couldnt get it wrong ;)

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    Last I remembered, Maccas uses superautos.

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    When will someone invent a superauto that cleans its own steam wand?

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    The cafe part used to use semi-auto machines but now even they seem to be using some form of super-auto. The regular maccas have always used super-autos behind the counter though which dont even have a steam want. They put the milk in first than the shot in those machines as well (or maybe jsut later in the process but definately not first).

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    It also depends on the individual Maccas store. The one close to us does a decent drinkable coffee -- to a certain standard. And I guess that this is the point with such places: if you dont expect a boutique coffee house professional barista-made coffee, then you wont be disappointed. The important thing here seems to be expectations and whether they consistently produce the coffee to whatever the standard you expect from that type of establishment.
    At my Maccas, I expect a lower standard than from the cafes I frequent, but I expect a higher standard of broth than the burnt-mud-scolded-milk-muck one gets all too often from no-name takeaway shops (and most cheap restaurants). What I like is that it is consistantly to that middle standard. While it is never fantabulous (as if!), it is never crap, either. It took me a while to work out that Maccas served two very similar, but crucially different ways of making coffee. The Pronto coffee that is more common is fully automatic including the milk frothing. The McCafe coffee is the same as the pronto, but a person hand-froths the milk, and this is where the quality can vary by individual store. My store has obviously trained its staff how to do this properly, but the next nearest store is not nearly so reliable.

    I can understand how starbucks is popular in the US -- and even I am drawn by the name and the look of the stores and all the paraphernalia on sale -- but the coffee... yikes!! *:P
    Gloria Jeans has a better look in its decor, but again... why pay so much for consistently burnt, weak, scalding hot blagh that youve got to dump 15 sugars into to make drinkable!?
    And (why not do the full rant, Ive already gone this far!) it peeves me the way they demand your first name, make you order at one end of the counter (heaven forbid you try to order at the wrong end of the counter!) and then leave it on that little platform at the other end -- for you to finish off!! The first time I ordered a cappucino and it was dumped there without the chocolate powder -- I had to do it myself -- I felt decidedly put out. A very novel idea for promoting what was then a new franchise: offer the customer lower standards -- that should pull them in by droves! Strangely... it did. For some reason we like to go to Gloria Jeans, we like to be seen in Gloria Jeans 8-). We just dont like the coffee! *:-?

    Well, thats it for now. All ranted out. *;)

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    Well some places leave chocolate on the bar so u can have the option of dusting it yourself or having an italian style no choc business

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    Good rant, Meanbean. Hopefully it was a cathartic experience which has lightened your emotional baggage! Coffeesnobs can be therapeutic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeechaser link=1172553130/0#11 date=1172577550
    The cafe part used to use semi-auto machines but now even they seem to be using some form of super-auto. The regular maccas have always used super-autos behind the counter though which dont even have a steam want. They put the milk in first than the shot in those machines as well (or maybe jsut later in the process but definately not first).

    Yeah- bizarre....

    In the beginning, when they were with Mocopan, they sent perhaps 6 sites worth of Melbourne McCafe staff through the academy and they all did Advanced espresso with me. They used real machines at their sites and there were quite a few staff who did really well. Perhaps they all got jobs that pay a fair wage and left? I guess most of their staff would be considered transient.

    Mocopan actually did some work on their blend and for what it was, it was actually not too bad...

    More recently (last year I think), they dumped Mocopan and aligned with Nestle which they apparently buy at $7 per kilo roasted and delivered :o. Not surprising that they have dumped their machines for superautos. With the rubbish beans that they are using, it wouldnt make much difference anyway.

    Makes me think I must manufacture a superauto chip cooker, hamburger maker and checkout bimbo/himbo! Retirement here I come! ;) ;D

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    McDonalds Coffee is disgusting!

    Wushoes, what did it taste like you ask? Id rather leave that horrible experience in the past and move on ;-) Seriously though, its very bland! Dont know how people drink the stuff.

    Milky StarBucks Coffee - yep, fallen victim to this also... from the Coffee Cart at Westmead Childrens Hospital (Where my young Son was at the time). Be warned! Stay WELL away. Its foul!

    These experiences really help you appreciate what you can do at home with the fresh stuff and decent skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1172553130/15#15 date=1172612553

    More recently (last year I think), they dumped Mocopan and aligned with Nestle which they apparently buy at $7 per kilo roasted and delivered :o.
    This is where the coffee farmer gets ripped off and cant make a profit! Disgusting isnt it?

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    Yeppers- companies like them and charbux are the reason fairtrade came to be in the first place- which is probably why fairtrade in most cases has little if anything to do with quality ::)

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    I have some FT ORG Ethiopian Harar which is just a stunning bean...But I do see your point though 2MCM

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    Ive tried a couple of different Maccas McCafe Bar coffees and to be truthful, I wondered if they had actually put any coffee into the PF before hitting the Brew Switch :o.... The resulting brews were so weak I could barely taste any coffee at all.

    Needless to say, after that I havent really been very enthusiastic about giving them another try. One of the Maccas in question was our local franchise and the other a few hundred Kms away in Coffs Harbour.... might have caught them both on a bad day :-? but thats it for me,

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    I switched on the radio at 5.00 AM once and the announcer came on, started his breakfast shift with a breathless rant about how the night before hed seen the worst film in history.

    A film so bad he walked out on it. That it was singularly unfunny. Etc etc.

    Well, that was a gauntlet for me. Could any film be THAT bad?

    So that night I had to see for myself "Theres Something about Mary".

    Im still in stitches laughing. That scene, eh.

    So, all these less-than-rave reviews about McDonalds et al....Im gonna have to bite the bullet and try for myself. Ill wear a disguise, naturally, because I always said I wont be seen dead in there.

    Can any coffee be THAT bad? Im dying to find out (no pun intended).

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    Confession time... ::)

    Yes, I have had McCafe a couple of times.... both capps...

    Once it was, well coffee coloured milk with a sudsy froth and lots of chocolate....

    About the only thing which was reasonable was the temperature... no repeat performances there :P

    The other time was in Perth City, It looked like a cappuccino... and surprisingly tasted like a coffee from a middle range cafe here in Perth.... thats really faint praise as their coffees arent that good either but their gear is much better, and so should be their training...

    From a super auto- almost certainly standard with little or no optimising adjustment - I thought it was pretty passable...... The only reason I went there was for a "social" coffee with some friends..... I could probably go back - but only if I had to!!! ;) :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto link=1172553130/15#21 date=1172644898
    Can any coffee be THAT bad? Im dying to find out (no pun intended).

    --Robusto
    Load up on Big Macs and fries then.. thatll get you there quick.

    (Disclaimer to Macas lawyers - I didnt write the above :-X

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    Just reading all of these posts about "Maccas Coffee" is making me laugh so hard my sides hurt!

    Ok, I will let you in on a little secret. The two machines that Maccas have are slightly different.

    One is fully automatic. This is grinding, extracting AND frothing of milk, and all at 60 degrees temp. It has to be. O.H and S. This is the "Espresso Pronto" sort of a "no waiting coffee". It is weaker in taste and the milk frothing technique is typical for a machine made coffee. This is actually designed for Drive-thru, quick and easy. I wont even touch the stuff. We had a machine for 2 weeks and it sat and did nothing, so to the store manager at the time I said, "This is a waste of space. Can we ditch it?" and he agreed. That was 2 1/2 years ago.

    The other machine, the same as the Pronto, grinds and extracts, perfect amount (I make sure it does!) in the proper time, but doesnt froth. This is done by hand, all trained by me. AND it is done properly, or they get re-trained.

    Our store is small and handles drive-thru pretty well. I believe that customers SHOULD get what they paid for. None of that horrid fully auto stuff for us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maccas_chicka link=1172553130/15#24 date=1172647844
    Just reading all of these posts about "Maccas Coffee" is making me laugh so hard my sides hurt!

    Ok, I will let you in on a little secret. The two machines that Maccas have are slightly different.

    One is fully automatic. This is grinding, extracting AND frothing of milk, and all at 60 degrees temp. It has to be. O.H and S. This is the "Espresso Pronto" sort of a "no waiting coffee". It is weaker in taste and the milk frothing technique is typical for a machine made coffee. This is actually designed for Drive-thru, quick and easy. I wont even touch the stuff. We had a machine for 2 weeks and it sat and did nothing, so to the store manager at the time I said, "This is a waste of space. Can we ditch it?" and he agreed. That was 2 1/2 years ago.

    The other machine, the same as the Pronto, grinds and extracts, perfect amount (I make sure it does!) in the proper time, but doesnt froth. This is done by hand, all trained by me. AND it is done properly, or they get re-trained.

    Our store is small and handles drive-thru pretty well. I believe that customers SHOULD get what they paid for. None of that horrid fully auto stuff for us!
    Maccas Chicka, can i begin by saying you are very very brave joining this argument, given the heat generated by these posts. Well done and thanks for shedding light on the subject.

    Now, am I right, then, that when some people say Maccas coffee is good, they are referring to the second type mentioned, *and when others say it is %+@XZ%#$ *they are referring to the drive-through product?

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    Robusto...

    I think my coffees came from the two different machines Maccas Chicka described.

    They were both in the "restaurant" area - the first was in suburbia at a reasonably small Maccas with a drive through..... As far as I can recall (been trying to forget) they only had one machine.

    The second was in the City, bigger Maccas without a drive through. Milk was well textured so it sounds like the second type of machine.... again only one machine.

    Maybe its up to the manager of that store which they use.

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    The said dirty steam wand I spied at my local Mickey Ds was obviously on then the second type of machine.

    Last time I was in the burger counter was busy and a senior looking worker was flitting about the coffee machine area.
    Didnt seem to be doing anything constructive and didnt offer to help out at the busy section.
    Must be a perk to get the café shift (nothing to do).


    Back to Charbucks - I passed one this afternoon on the way back from an interview.
    I paused to look in the window after spying a customer perched at a window seat with what at first glance appeared to be a milkshake (the container was huge).
    It was then I noticed the logo and realised where I was.

    I couldnt drink that much coffee in one go. Whats the point?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1172553130/15#27 date=1172652250
    The said dirty steam wand I spied at my local Mickey Ds was obviously on then the second type of machine.

    Last time I was in the burger counter was busy and a senior looking worker was flitting about the coffee machine area.
    Didnt seem to be doing anything constructive and didnt offer to help out at the busy section.
    Must be a perk to get the cafe shift (nothing to do).
    So, being senior, Thundergod, this person you spied must have been considerably older than the other staff....at least 17 years old would you say?

    (Couldnt resist!!)

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    I reckon she could have even been 18.

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    While on a working holiday, I worked in a coffee shop in British Columbia a few years ago
    Being on a ski hill we used to get quite a few people up from Seattle for a bit of skiing and some of the orders that we used to get were bizzare.

    We used to get orders like 1/2 shot Decaf, 1/2 shot regular, 1/2 skinny, 1/2 full cream latte with sugar free vanilla syrup.
    We also would get the odd person order a Macchiato and then complain that its not like the Starbucks Macchiato (which apparently is a latte with cream and almond syrup).
    And one day I had a nice lady tell me very politely that the latte that she was served, was not a real latte because it didnt have the same amount of foam that Starbucks puts in their lattes.

    These kind of experiences have pretty much put me off trying Starbucks.

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    They make up their own cup sizes, so what surprise they take a macchiato and change the recipe?

    Speaking of which.
    The foyers of lasge buildings in Sydney all seem to have been taken over by cafes.
    I saw one today that served "Small", "Medium" and "Schooner" sizes.

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    I think Starbucks with the schooner size and than goes to pint than jug. They are massive.

    You are right there are masses of cafes in Sydneys large buildings, it is a shame there is not a great deal of decent coffee being produced from most of them.

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    they say you cant complain unless youve trted it, i had a big mac once so now i know better. i havent tried a starbucks and doubt i will

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    The "Pronto" doesnt have a steam wand for obvious reasons. It does have a hot water outlet for long blacks and so on.

    TG: They actually call me the "Steam wand Nazi" at work. I am a "clean wand, purge before and after steaming" freak. The girls at work get very nervous when I stand with them when they make coffees, because I constantly remind them to clean it.
    When I go into any store now, I always look at their area for cleanliness and of course the wand!

    Robusto: To have a qualification that I do at my store, gives me certain "rights" to what I can and cant say. I am not afraid to voice my opinions, and I do, especially to the store owner, who I have a great rapport with, and he constantly asks me about how to improve our McCafe and values my outlook on it. He actually paid to have my courses at William Angliss and become qualified for the benefit of the store.

    He is now looking into getting a group of our staff to go and do the "ABC of Espresso making" course at William Angliss this year.

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    My biggest complaint with a lot of these places and supposedly reputable cafes is they seem to have some perverse desire to burn the hell out of customers mouths. I have stood and watched coffee makers steaming milk with a thermometer in the jug and still not taking any notice of what the temperature is. It seems that when they cant touch the handle any more its hot enough.

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    I agree with the tone of the posts, particularly Mals comment: "Ive tried a couple of different Maccas McCafe Bar coffees and to be truthful, I wondered if they had actually put any coffee into the PF before hitting the Brew Switch. The resulting brews were so weak I could barely taste any coffee at all."

    When I would get my car serviced there was a McCafe next door with wireless hotspot which meant I could have a coffee and browse. Great idea, the coffee was awful. I tried it twice just to make sure that I wasnt being unfair, I wasnt being unfair!

    Starbucks is undrinkable. I met my daughter at Southland (Melbourne) last week for coffee, she wisely had tea, I had to leave the Machiato, which was like a latte but so hot it burnt, needless to say there was no taste!

    I am seduced by Gloria Jeans, I want it to be good...but the service is so slow and awkward. Depending on the barista (I am in a complementary mood), the coffee can be drinkable.

    Because I spend a lot of my time in shopping centres I try them all to see what is on offer, yet to be impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto link=1172553130/0#14 date=1172609631
    Good rant, Meanbean. *Hopefully it was a cathartic experience which has lightened your emotional baggage! * Coffeesnobs can be therapeutic. *

    --Robusto

    Ahhhh, yes ***sighs***. Feel much better now and my emotional baggage is definitely reduced -- down to only two dozen suitcases now!


    P.S.- Im glad to see weve flushed a Maccas insider out of the woodwork!
    P.P.S.- Ill say another thing about Maccas... they are one of the few cafes (yes, i may be using this term loosely, but artistic licence please) that use a cardboard wrap around their takeaway cups so you dont suffer Liberace-itis if your cup is too hot and have to do the piano-fingers dance to stop your fingers burning! I know a good cuppa shouldnt burn your fingers anyway, but that little cardboard thingy makes it feel better! And many cafes we would have no argument calling cafes have failed on this score -- and delivered scalding hot coffee in paper-thin cups.
    Me, a defender of Maccas?!!? What is the world coming to?!!! :o ::) ;D

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    Have to agree whole hartedley with no2 post, it would have to be the worlds worst coffee bar none........



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