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    CafeBiz Results Are In!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Just got off the phone with Pete:

    Australia won the first leg of the trans tasman barista championships; the second leg is to be held in a few weeks in NZ.

    Con Haralambopoulos from 7 Grams in Richmond (Melbourne) won the latte art comp.

    As for the Golden Bean roasting competition, I know that:

    Michels Patisserie won the espresso category (Presumably Instaurator roasting their Cup of Excellence!)

    Campos won champion roaster (the highest composite scores in the espresso and latte categories)

    Veneziano picked up a bronze medal in each of the espresso, latte and organic espresso categories, to come 6th out of 200 or so. [Edit: Misunderstood; 200 coffees, 50 or so roasters]

    Presumably details of the rest will be available soon!

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: CafeBiz Results Are In!

    Congrats to all who are mentioned below. Results of medal winners are:


    And the winner is……….

    Campos Coffee
    Newtown, Sydney NSW
    Highest score (highest combined score from Espresso and Milk Based categories)


    Category Winners

    Category 1 – Espresso (Short Black)

    Medal Position Company Score
    Gold 1 MICHELS PATISSERIE 83.75
    Silver 2 KARMEE COFFEE 83.5
    Silver 3 NUMERO UNO 81.2
    Silver 4 JAVA GOURMET COFFEE CO. 81
    Silver 5 PEABERRYS COFFEE 80.75
    Silver 6 MORGANS GREEN 79.75
    Bronze 7 GIGANTE COFFEE 78.25
    Bronze 8 CAMPOS 77.75
    Bronze 9 WOMBAH COFFEE PLANTATION 77.5
    Bronze 10 COFFEE ALCHEMY 77.25
    Bronze 10 ST Ali 77.25
    Bronze 10 TOBYS ESTATE COFFEE 77.25
    Bronze 11 BLUE MOUNTAINS C/ROASTERS 77
    Bronze 11 PREMIUM COFFEE ROASTERS 77
    Bronze 12 BIO BEAN COFFEE 76.5
    Bronze 13 C4 COFFEE 75
    Bronze 13 EUREKA COFFEE 75
    Bronze 14 VENEZIANO COFFEE 74.75
    Bronze 14 YAHAVA COFFEE WORKS 74.75
    Bronze 15 GLORIA JEANS COFFEES 74.25
    Bronze 16 ARGOSINI 74









    Category 2 – Milk Based (Latte)

    Medal Position Name Score
    Gold 1 JAQUES AUSTRALIAN COFFEE 81
    Silver 2 CAMPOS 80
    Silver 3 BASILS P/L 78.25
    Silver 4 LAZUMBA COFFEE 77.25
    Silver 4 COFFEE MAX 77.25
    Silver 5 CREMA DORO 75.75
    Silver 5 PEAK COFFEE 75.75
    Silver 6 BLUE MOUNTAINS C/ROASTERS 75.5
    Silver 6 DI BELLA COFFEE 75.5
    Bronze 7 PIONEER COFFEE ROASTERY 75.25
    Bronze 8 PIONEER COFFEE ROASTERY 75
    Bronze 8 THE NAKED BEAN 75
    Bronze 9 VENEZIANO COFFEE 74.75
    Bronze 10 BIO BEAN COFFEE 74.66
    Bronze 11 ARABICAS COFFEE 74.5
    Bronze 11 CREMA GOURMET 74.5
    Bronze 11 PIONEER COFFEE ROASTERY 74.5
    Bronze 12 GIGANTE COFFEE 74.25
    Bronze 12 SCHIBELLO COFFEE 74.25
    Bronze 13 NADINES COFFEE BEANS 74
    Bronze 13 RUSHBORN ROAST 74
    Bronze 14 PEABERRYS COFFEE 73.75
    Bronze 15 COFFEE MAMMA 73.5
    Bronze 15 DI BELLA COFFEE 73.5
    Bronze 15 FRESHGROUND 73.5
    Bronze 15 JAVA OURMET COFFEE CO 73.5
    Bronze 16 MAHALIA
    73


    Category 3 – Filter Coffee

    Medal Position Company Score
    Gold 1 COFFEE ALCHEMY 78.75
    Silver 2 RUSHBORN ROAST 78
    Silver 3 TASMANIAN COFFEE ROASTERS 77.75
    Silver 4 ARABICAS COFFEE 75.5
    Silver 5 JAQUES AUSTRALIAN COFFEE 71.75
    Silver 6 ECHIDNA COFFEE 71.25
    Bronze 7 THE NAKED BEAN 71
    Bronze 8 BIO BEAN COFFEE 68.5
    Bronze 9 YAHAVA COFFEE WORKS 68.25
    Bronze 10 TOBYS ESTATE COFFEE 67.75
    Bronze 10 ART OF ESPRESSO 67.75
    Bronze 11 MORGANS GREEN 66.5
    Bronze 12 PREMIUM COFFEE ROASTERS 66
    Bronze 13 CAFFISSIMO 65.75
    Bronze 14 EUREKA COFFEE 65.25
    Bronze 15 JASPER COFFEE 65
    Bronze 16 COFFEE MAMMA 64



    Category 4 – Organic Espresso

    Medal Position Company Score
    Gold 1 CREMA GOURMET 72
    Silver 2 PEABERRYS COFFEE 71
    Silver 3 CUSTOM COFFEE 70.75
    Silver 4 THE NAKED BEAN 70.5
    Silver 4 PRIMO COFFEE 70.5
    Silver 5 CADDIES COFFEE 70
    Silver 6 DELUXE 69
    Silver 6 BIO BEAN COFFEE 69
    Silver 6 BYRON BAY COFFEE COMPANY 69
    Silver 6 ARABICAS COFFEE 69
    Silver 6 MORGANS GREEN 69
    Bronze 7 JASPER COFFEE 67
    Bronze 8 CREMA GOURMET 66
    Bronze 8 YAHAVA COFFEE WORKS 66
    Bronze 9 MIFEIA COFFEE ROAST 65.5
    Bronze 10 HIGH TREES ESTATE 65
    Bronze 11 GIGANTE COFFEE 64.5
    Bronze 11 RED HILL ROAST 64.5
    Bronze 11 VENEZIANO COFFEE 64.5
    Bronze 12 FIVE SENSES 64
    Bronze 13 ARGOSINI 63.75
    Bronze 14 CAMPOS 63.5
    Bronze 15 JAQUES AUSTRALIAN COFFEE 62.5
    Bronze 15 COFFEE ALCHEMY 62.5
    Bronze 16 GENOVESE COFFEE 62.25
    Bronze 16 LAZUMBA COFFEE 62.25
    Bronze 16 COFFEE MAX 62.25


    Category 5 – Retail (Filter)

    Medal Position Company Score
    Gold 1 COFFEE MAMMA 79.5
    Silver 2 YAHAVA COFFEE WORKS 79
    Silver 3 MORGANS GREEN 77
    Silver 4 COFFEE ALCHEMY 74.25
    Silver 5 MARANATHA IMPORT EXPORT 74
    Silver 6 CAFFISSIMO 73.25
    Bronze 7 RUSHBORN ROAST 72.5
    Bronze 8 MAHALIA COFFEE 71.5
    Bronze 8 NATS COFFEE - Nat 71.5
    Bronze 9 LAZUMBA COFFEE - Oro 71.25
    Bronze 10 GENOVESE COFFEE 70.5
    Bronze 10 HIGH TREES ESTATE 70.5
    Bronze 10 JASPER COFFEE 70.5
    Bronze 10 LAZUMBA COFFEE – La Vida 70.5
    Bronze 11 MONTVILLE COFFEE 70
    Bronze 11 LAZUMBA COFFEE - Rumba 70
    Bronze 12 SOUTH PACIFIC COFFEE 69.33
    Bronze 13 FIVE SENSES 68.25
    Bronze 14 SOUTH PACIFIC COFFEE - Norfolk 66.75
    Bronze 15 RED HILL ROAST 66.5
    Bronze 16 BYRON BAY COFFEE COMPANY 66.25


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    Re: CafeBiz Results Are In!

    Maybe its just me - but Gloria Jeans only a couple of points behind Tobys Estate????? In Espresso????? Ive tasted both, have had a chat with the guy from Tobys while he roasted in the Hunter Valley. Nothing I have ever tasted from Gloria Jeans (my wife actually likes their coffee) would come close to something served from Tobys. The only way GJ could have done this is to have their best barista with their freshest coffee - and unfortunately this doesnt equal the muddy experience of their average store. Bleh.

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    Excuse my ignorance, and point me to a link if there is more information there. But how "real world" are these competitions. I believe from what I have read here that Campos are consistent so dont have a problem with that. But Gloria Jeans? I gave them a chance previoulsy and they came up wanting everytime. The average barista they have is very ordinary from my experience. I suppose it is hard to have quality control over such large amounts of branches compared to a campos (not that, that is an excuse) but a good coffee from GJs would be the exception more than the rule. Is there coffee roasted in Australia? Not that I am trying to bag them out and I am sure the judges call it how they see it no matter who the business is, which is obviously right. But are they real world conditions? Or do businesses do special roasts for the occassion and maybe even have a contracted barista for the occassion (or one of their trainers) that you wouldnt see in a store?

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    Re: CafeBiz Results Are In!

    They do roast especially for the occasion.

    For example theres the filter section.
    Knowing how its going to be used they roast for that rather than roast to cater for a wider range of possible uses.

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    First thing to remember guys, this competition was for beans only. No baristas from the companies were used so its judging the quality of coffee beans only. MICHELS PATISSERIE won best espresso coffee, but Ive never had a good espresso there either.

    As for special roasts, it is entirely possible for companies to roast a special batch for these comps, as un-ethical as it may be. It is also judged on freshness so Im sure all entrants took the same timing issues into account when sending entries as i did, i.e. make sure the coffee was going to peak at the exact time it was tasted.

    My biggest gripe with the results was that I missed out on silver again by such small results. In the last year Ive entered 3 comps, won 5 bronze medals, and never been more than 1 point away from the score required........now thats frustrating!

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    Frustrating?

    I would have said that was pretty great going!

    Well done.

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    Yeah, top job!!!!

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    Well, if it helps at all BioBean Coffee didnt enter any "special roasts" I sent in a batch from a normal days roasting of exactly what we stock on the shelf :) Were pretty pleased with the results for only being in business for one year - and just after being voted as the best plunger coffee in Perth by the West Australian (insert shameless self-plug).

    As I recall, I think that Batch of espresso might have even been the one I had a flameout on with the gas jets while roasting..... *Looks like it still did ok though :P

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    I cant get over the snobbery towards coffee chains on this site. im an independent cafe barista, but am thankful for coffee chains that introduce people to espresso. otherwise, there would be a lot less coffee drinkers in the world, and a lot less people in my cafe!
    does anyone know how many people in the non coffee world actually go to a cafe & order an espresso or ristretto?
    i see many many capp/latte drinkers who appreciate a good flavoured, smooth milk style of coffee & arent hung up on the complexity of it all
    sorry for the rant, but this site seems so anti chain which is a shame, as they are the ones that can educate customers a lot more than our little one off shops.



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    Chains, by their very nature, dont deliver the best - they deliver a consistently mediocre product. That said, some of them are starting to improve quietly, behind the scenes and, hopefully, in a few years well have some chains the likes of Intelligentsia and Stockfleths.

    This competition is not about mediocrity; its about the best. So I think that its quite surprising to see chains up there. The exception, of course, is Michels Patisserie. Whilst the espresso served at their stores might not be good, if they had Instaurator roasting and used the cup of excellence coffee that they bought for $50USD/lb last year, I think that its a good bet that they would be blowing people away in this competition. Whether or not they should do that is another issue ... but the Sydney Agriculutral Show medals probably cater more to people who believe that thats an issue; its just that they dont receive as much publicity.

    As you said, chains do introduce people to coffee, but Im not prepared to give them that much credit. It might be different in places like adelaide, perth and brisbane, but Melbourne was certainly infested with independent cafes long before chains. In the USA, however, Starbucks is properly owed a great debt by many independent operators.

    As for "good flavoured, smooth milk style of coffee" ... well, its all a matter of frames of reference. Most people who have not ever had great espresso probably, and quite rightly, perceive coffee from the chains this way. Label me a snob if you will, but my frame of reference is such that on the few occasions where I have had a coffee - even a milky coffee - from a chain, the predominant flavour for me has either been (a) lemon juice, coming from too fast a shot or (b) ash, coming from stale coffee. Of course, I must admit that that prejudice does nothing to impeach the quality of the coffee freshly roasted by the chains, which is what is relevant for this competition. So maybe the competition results are really telling us that the chain roasters are performing to a much higher level than their baristi, managers and logistics people.

    Cheers,

    Luca "yes, I would love some of Innys CoE espresso" C

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    Quote Originally Posted by groundforcoffee link=1162196931/0#9 date=1162610210
    I cant get over the snobbery towards coffee chains on this site. im an independent cafe barista, but am thankful for coffee chains that introduce people to espresso. otherwise, there would be a lot less coffee drinkers in the world, and a lot less people in my cafe!
    does anyone know how many people in the non coffee world actually go to a cafe & order an espresso or ristretto?
    i see many many capp/latte drinkers who appreciate a good flavoured, smooth milk style of coffee & arent hung up on the complexity of it all
    sorry for the rant, but this site seems so anti chain which is a shame, as they are the ones that can educate customers a lot more than our little one off shops.
    Hey groundfor....without wanting to generalise, the reason is that not all, but many chains serve cheap, stale bean rubbish produced by coffeemakers who have no concept of grind nor shot quality, nor could they tell a good coffee from a bad one. We prefer a better quality brew here. There are exceptions, but much of the chain coffee available in Australia is an absolute joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benipk link=1162196931/0#8 date=1162557307
    Well, if it helps at all BioBean Coffee didnt enter any "special roasts" I sent in a batch from a normal days roasting of exactly what we stock on the shelf :) Were pretty pleased with the results for only being in business for one year - and just after being voted as the best plunger coffee in Perth by the West Australian (insert shameless self-plug).

    As I recall, I think that Batch of espresso might have even been the one I had a flameout on with the gas jets while roasting..... *Looks like it still did ok though :P
    Maybe you could try improving on the timing of your flameouts and get a better score next time.






    Quote Originally Posted by groundforcoffee link=1162196931/0#9 date=1162610210
    I cant get over the snobbery towards coffee chains on this site.
    Have you forgotten where you are? C-o-f-f-e-e-S-n-o-b-s- *::)


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    well spotted Thundergod !! :o

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    www.happy-with-average-or-less-coffee.com

    ... I guess they have a far less passionate membership too.

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    So Michels have won the espresso category. Theyve drawn on Innys expertise, set up good facilities and apparently also purchase very good quality beans, so its not all that hard to understand. Good on them. Clearly the potential is there for a Michels outlet with a skilled barista to be making nice coffees. Anyone know of such a place?

    Id like to taste their house blend through our equipment for my own reference but im wondering whether that is even going to be possible. Admittedly i havent been near a Michels outlet for a while, but i have a feeling that if i wanted to buy beans from them it would have to be a small retail bag of stale coffee.

    Does anyone know whether its at all possible to get Michels coffee fresh anywhere? I had a look at their website but no signs of fresh coffee retailing there.

    This also raises the concern that perhaps the winning blend is not actually a blend which is available to consumers at the level of freshness at which it won the competition. But thats putting the cart before the horse; does anyone know where i could get a kilo or so of Michels house blend FRESH for tasting purposes?

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    I hope I’m not a lone voice in the wilderness, but when I’m out and looking for a coffee I will search out Michelle’s, as they seem to produce coffee that is better than I’ve had at the other chains. Not that that is saying a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Sloggett link=1162196931/15#15 date=1162684163
    Clearly the potential is there for a Michels outlet with a skilled barista to be making nice coffees. Anyone know of such a place?
    The Batemans Bay outlet is such a place, the owner/head honcho, Steve, is fantastic 8-).


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    If I have the right competition in mind, and I think I may have, a big congratulations to Ian Vigiers and family of Blue Mountains Coffee Roasters- a bronze and a silver medal, espresso and latte, but correct me if my facts are wrong.
    Either way great to see a little player do so well!
    Ian is a great guy, knowledgeable, friendly with absolutely no front
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    The Michels at Blackwood, here in Adelaide is pretty good. Their coffee is always fresh tasting, possible because they have a high turnover.

    What surprises me is that they are next door to a cafe whose coffee is not very nice, not sure if it is the barista or the coffee they use, it always tastes a bit muddy to me.



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