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    Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

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    Hi All,

    Who wants to go on a coffee crawl on Saturday December 15?!!!

    It seems like December 15 might be the best date (sorry if you cant make it!)

    Using the cafes from Identitys coffee crawl, suggested cafes are:
    - Cordial (Newtown)
    - Campos (Newtown) *
    - Tobys Estate (Camperdown) *
    - Mecca (City) *
    - Di Bartoli (Bonji Junction)
    and possibly Espresso Galleria (Haberfield), Grind (Cronulla). *

    Brett suggested that we begin at Cordial for brekkie which sounds great to me. *

    Itd be great if this coffee crawl happens and any ideas/suggestions are much welcomed!

    :) Sammy

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    I posted that I could make it in the other thread. I will confirm here that I would be in for this.

    Brett

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    Have you got a rough start time?
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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Yay that was quick!

    Im not sure about a start time; does anyone have any ideas? Is 10am breakfast at Cordial too early or late?

    -S

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    Hey Sammy

    Sounds good and will be there if I can - suggest though that 10 is too late - by the time everyone arrives finds a park, has brekkie, it will be all over. Thats ok if you dont want to crawl.

    I suggest no later than 9.

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    Cool, I cant wait to see you guys!

    How about on the early side of 9am? 8:30am? 8am?

    Also, does anyone know what would be best for transport? Cars (would there be difficulties with finding a park etc?) or Public Transport (...problems...?) or a combination of both? I havent had much experience driving/parking around those cafes but ive got a vehicle and im in the eastern suburbs if anyone wants a lift/car pool (and you get bonus points if you know the directions to any of those cafes!)

    -S

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Surprisingly, parking is pretty ok near cordial at that hour of the day.

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    Sadly, I cant make it as Ill be having xmas with my family on that day.

    IIRC, we got to Cordial right on Saturday morning opening last time as they get busy quickly on the weekend. I also took the time to discuss with them starting our crawl there so that they were prepared for a big group first thing in the morning, and I think they appreciated that.

    Have a great day!

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    Im sorry you cant make it hazchem. Thanks for the info though.

    What does IIRC mean?

    Do you reckon we should let all the places know that a group will be there or only the 1st place?

    -S

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    I would be happy for anytime between 8-9 myself. If those who wanted breakfast were there between 8-8:30 and those who just wanted to come for coffee were there from 9-10 onwards would probably work out okay. The added bonus of starting earlier is that there is more parking near Cordial, as in right out front of Cordial. Even near Tobys was okay last time. It has the potential to get ugly once you get close to Mecca though.

    As was said above it would definately be worthwhile giving Cordial the heads up, which would require people letting you know numbers as early as possible.

    Just some rambled thoughts that you can take or leave.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    IIRC = If I Recall Correctly, iirc.

    I think 8.30s about the earliest my wife and I can get to Newtown comfortably, itll take about 45 minutes from we are plus a wait for a train. Well make 8 if thats what the group wants to do though - were looking forward to it!

    My suggestion is to drop E.G. and Grind (too far to the edges and not so accessible by public transport, but maybe add Bacci (spelling?) in the QVB to that list, as its close to Mecca and I had a great cup last time I passed by.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Ill drop by Cordial tomorrow and let them know a mob of at least 7 fanatical coffee-based-drink addicts will be turning up? Im passing through anyhow :)

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Thanks John thatd be great!

    Sorry, ive been working on a big assignment (due friday argh!) so have taken a bit of time to reply.

    I agree, drop E.G and Grind. If were not gonna have MIs from the caffeine ;) then add the QVB one too! Is there room for a bit of see how it goes on the day or should we cement everything in now? What do people reckon?

    OK how about a start time of 8am - 8:30am at Cordial for breakfast and a bit later than that if youre there for the liquid stuff!

    ...and now back to the assignment...(sigh)

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    I THINK the best way to tackle the itinerary is to plan the order of things you want to go to. But allow for some fluidity of timing throughout the day. In terms of how good the coffee is people might stay a little longer and have an extra cup or two. If it is packed and is a battle to even get one round you might not want to stay there as long. I know 2mcm has talked up Elixir at the Strand before, which is only a hop, skip, and a jump from Mecca. I think they use Di Lorenzo if that is the place Chris is talking about.

    Enjoy the assignment Sammy!

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Brett link=1196044303/0#13 date=1196197258
    I THINK the best way to tackle the itinerary is to plan the order of things you want to go to. But allow for some fluidity of timing throughout the day. In terms of how good the coffee is people might stay a little longer and have an extra cup or two. If it is packed and is a battle to even get one round you might not want to stay there as long. I know 2mcm has talked up Elixir at the Strand before, which is only a hop, skip, and a jump from Mecca. I think they use Di Lorenzo if that is the place Chris is talking about.

    Enjoy the assignment Sammy!
    At your own risk ;-)

    Lots has changed at Elixir and my last visit was not what I had hoped for.

    For me, Mecca, SO and Campos are still the best shots I have had in Sydney (but then there are a heap of places I havent tried ;)).

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Hey guys,

    I might invite myself along if thats ok with everyone.

    Has anyone thought up what the likely route will be?

    Alex who used to work at Elixir when it was called Luxe has joined the all-star team at Mecca. Im working about five minutes walk away, so they have been keeping me caffeinated all week in the absence of an espresso machine at home.

    Theres a place called "supreme grind" along elizabeth street that I have been walking past on my way to Mecca. Its OK.

    I might check out Baci tomorrow.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Hey Guys,

    Yay, Luca...i read in your blog you were gonna be in Sydney and it did cross my mind whether youd come! :)

    OK, my brain is frazzled (24hrs of doing stats is enough to make my brain want to roll over and die!) but i agree we should formulate a list of places in the next week or so (thanks Brett). What do people think about SO (What is SO 2mcm, does it have a full name), bacci, supreme grind and Elixir? Any other suggestions? What do people think about the number of places on the itinerary; whats a good number? One of my friends suggested a single origins place in ?surry hills?; I dont know anything about it though.

    Maybe next week or so ill PM my mobile number to people coming so if you want to rock up halfway or are late or lost we can communicate. Does that make sense?

    Lovely. Im looking forward to this!
    -S

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Okay, good news and bad :)

    Dropped in at Cordial on the way through, and their usual barista (youll recognise him from the red/ginger hair and smiles) who also happens to be one of the golden cobra roasters, is away that day. Funnily enough, hes there on the 8th and the 22nd. Still seems a good place to have breakfast though.

    Good news, luca is joining us - without taking this off-topic, luca are you in sydney at the moment then?

    Ive also had "Little Marionette" in Balmain highly recommended to me - being a few hundred yards away from my new office, message me through the forums if any CSer wants to meet up and try it out.

    Koko Espresso in Surry Hills (Devonshire St) is also worth a look if we get bored or undercaffeinated.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    The obvious route to me would be Cordial > Campos > Tobys Estate > Central/Surry Hills > Town Hall/Kent St > Bondi Junction.


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    Hey Sammy, Single Origin (SO) in Surry Hills is one of the best but is closed on weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Identity link=1196044303/15#17 date=1196253538
    Okay, good news and bad :)

    Dropped in at Cordial on the way through, and their usual barista (youll recognise him from the red/ginger hair and smiles) who also happens to be one of the golden cobra roasters, is away that day. Funnily enough, hes there on the 8th and the 22nd. Still seems a good place to have breakfast though.
    Hey, I was in Cordial this morning having a chat to Sonny, who you met yesterday. It seems that him and Dave, the other barista/Golden Cobra roaster already have something on that day. He asked me if the date could be changed, as he really wants to be there when you all go in. I know thats not going to happen, but I did say Id double check.

    He also said that if we cant change the date, but the group met there in the morning early enough, he should be able to come down make coffees while were there. Ill be able to come along for breakfast at Cordial as well. I plan to be back in there on Saturday so can talk to Sonny again and see if I can work out a start time for the group that means he can be there. I will, of course, be trying for the currently organised start time of 8-8:30.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Hm. I guess if Sonny can be there early enough and its not too much trouble for him than thatd probably suit us better because I reckon its a bit too late to change the date at this stage. ...just what exactly did he mean by early though?... :)

    SO = Single Origin. how obvious; Silly me!

    Thanks for that Hazchem!

    That route sounds good Identity (i dont know sydney all that well so wasnt sure what was the best route through the cafes)

    :)

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Im hoping to join the group too, if there is still room?

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Im sure theres no maximum limit - this is just an informal crawl. Well meet where we want to (seems to be Cordial) and go where we want. For anyone who wants to meet the group mid-way through the crawl, PM me for my mobile number (Im happy for any CSer to have it) and Ill be happy to let you know where were up to!

    Hazel,

    Sonny seems a great bloke and he was obviously gutted (is that only an english expression) when he said the 8th or 22nd was fne but that he couldnt be there on the 15th. Im happy to crawl on the 22nd but Im sure Id be the exception - people are away for Christmas etc, and the 8th is obviously Di Bartoli. I said if it looked possible Id suggest changing the date too, but I cant see how it would be :/. Sonny pours some of the best latte art Ive ever seen.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Damn, bummer, oh gee whiz!!!

    Trouble living 600kms from Sydney, out in the dusty old bush, all the fun is had in the big smoke...... :(

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    Andy thinks out loud...
    "only two pages of discussion for a Sydney coffee crawl? This could be a record!"


    ;D

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Hazel, looks like youll have to break the news - our friend decided he wanted to go to Campos. Bah!

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1196044303/15#25 date=1196427335
    Andy thinks out loud...
    "only two pages of discussion for a Sydney coffee crawl? This could be a record!"


    ;D

    Theyve been getting better with practice... ;)

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Andy and scoota - please desist from posting in this thread unless you intend coming along!

    I can see its your intention to take this to 3pages+ ;D ;D ;D

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    Yeah, and as the one I posted only hit a page or two, hes already stuffed!

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    My partner Mary and I aim to be there for breakfast and then do the crawl. We will be taking a train from the Central Coast nice and early...

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    Hey Paolo - you should talk to Michelle (mwatt)...you might all be able to share a compartment on the train ;)

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Ok. assignment done, holidays begun, im back on coffeesnobs!

    Its lovely to see some more people have joined; itll be great to coffee-crawl with you all!

    Im not good with Sydney geography but Identity suggest the route:
    Cordial > Campos > Tobys Estate > Central/Surry Hills > Town Hall/Kent St > Bondi Junction

    So that would mean:
    1) Cordial arriving at 8am-8:30am (or when you can make it if thats too early) for breakfast. I aim to be there at 8am.
    2) Campos
    3) Tobys Estate
    4) Mecca, Elixr (?), Baci (?), Koko espresso (?), Supreme Grind (?)
    5) Bondi Junction
    I dont think ive forgotton any of the places posted (let me know if ive missed out any)

    So what do people think of the places listed in 4 are there any we should skip? are there too many and some need to be culled? what do people think? Luca did you check out Baci? What do you reckon? What should the route through these places be?

    And just to double check, ill PM my phone number to Brett, Michelle, Dennis, Identity, luca, Viviane, Paolo and mwatt (mwatt; Dennis kinda mentioned youre coming, is that right?). Let me know if ive missed you and ill PM you too.

    Cheers
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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Oh...mwatt=michelle. Got it!

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    If it were me Id dump Campos but if youve never been there its worth a shot, and it is just around the corner from Cordial ;)

    Ill probably only do the brekkie thing and might even hang back at Cordial for another latte or six :)

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    Im not a definite, Ive got to check on my sister-in-laws availability to toddler-sit :)

    Hoping to make it though...

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    Ill be at Cordial for breakfast, probably with Kathryn as well.

    I havent had a chance to call back in yet and talk to Sonny, but will be able to by the end of the week.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy link=1196044303/30#32 date=1196747286
    So what do people think of the places listed in 4 are there any we should skip? are there too many and some need to be culled? what do people think? Luca did you check out Baci? What do you reckon? What should the route through these places be?
    Yep, checked out Baci. I grabbed a takeaway coffee and deemed it bin worthy. Maybe an eat in espresso would be better, but I think that we have to ask what our goal is. If it is excellent espresso, I would be very happy not to chance Baci again with eight people - better just to send a few envoys to try it out on their own time. On the other hand, if it is to discover new places, then I would think that we should jettison the old favourites. Catch 22.

    If it were me Id dump Campos but if youve never been there its worth a shot, and it is just around the corner from Cordial
    You know, I have never liked the Superior blend, but over the past few years I have always made a point of going to Campos for espresso. Year in and year out, it has maintained a consistent flavour profile, which I think is an absolutely phenomenal achievement. After they put in the GB5s, the espresso still tasted very similar, but there was a bit more to it. Perhaps a hint of marmelade. Then on Saturday I turned up with some friends from Melbourne and, for the first time in years, had a shot that was a disappointment - watery and acidic beyond what I would have expected from the blend. This actually makes me all the more keen to get back there. What will the next trip yield? If nothing else, standing by and watching what must be one of the best barista teams on earth is, IMHO, worth the price of admission. Plus theres the fact that the Superior blend ought to actually stand out a bit from everything else that were likely to try.

    Looking at the blends that people use is probably a good way to work out what the crawl should contain:

    Cordial - Golden Cobra
    Campos - Campos
    TE - TE
    Mecca - Rio
    Di Bartoli - Hazel

    That looks like a pretty good lineup. I dont think that we really need to add more - we can always just have more coffee at one of the places!

    Supreme Grind was OK, but they are using Campos, so I dont think that going there would add much to the crawl. However, if people want to axe Campos, we could go to Supreme Grind instead so as to give another cafe a look-in. I have absolutely zero interest in Elixir. Frankly, if you told me that I could only have two espressos at any of Mecca, Baci or Elixir, Id have both at Mecca ;P Koko is something that I have never heard of. If its in the CBD, LMK where and Ill check it out before work.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    My wife agrees about Baci - my fantastic latte there mustve been a complete one-off :(

    I had an awful espresso about 6 weeks ago at Campos, and a fantastic latte last week - lets skip Baci, agree to start at Cordial and finish at Di Bartoli - I know Renzo and Ofra will certainly provide more fun (time dependant) than most.

    Anything in the middle we can make up as we go along maybe? I have to admit I find Tobys Estate really one-dimensional, but then again, the group will have people who love different things about their coffee in it, and Im happy to go anywhere.

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    OK so Ive been following this with interest knowing that I have a family do on this day and cant enjoy some great coffees - but I have worked out that a lunch time get together on the central coast, could possibly mean a city diversion for brekky. Im working on the wife at the moment, well see how it pans out.
    I figure if we have to be driving a couple of hours anyway, whats an extra hour over the course of the day!!
    Ill let you guys know a bit later in the week how it pans out. We would be like Dennis though, brekkie at cordial only, then slip off to the central coast for lunch.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1196044303/30#37 date=1196774935

    If it were me Id dump Campos but if youve never been there its worth a shot, and it is just around the corner from Cordial
    You know, I have never liked the Superior blend, but over the past few years I have always made a point of going to Campos for espresso.
    Their espresso is why I make a point of not going there.

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1196044303/30#37 date=1196774935
    If nothing else, standing by and watching what must be one of the best barista teams on earth is, IMHO, worth the price of admission.
    Hmm....have seen similar teams at McDonalds - they dont excite me either.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    While for me, campos put me off espresso for a month with a bad one, and cordial put me back on - generally I can only drink latte at campos.

    Weve just added another to the crowd - my brother-in-law will be joining us :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1196044303/30#40 date=1197182327
    Their espresso is why I make a point of not going there.

    ...

    Hmm....have seen similar teams at McDonalds - they dont excite me either.

    wow, why the negativity?

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Hi Matty, I have only been there the once, directly after being at Cordial where the staff were friendly and the coffee was 5 star. They seemed to take pride in what they were doing. More often than not, I think it natural to measure one experience against another - and Campos was distinctly different to Cordial.

    I arrived at Campos with high expectations, as they do have a great reputation and going by the amount of people there also have a huge following. Im sorry to say that I can only describe the espresso I had at Campos as very bitter.

    If being busy and having service working like clockwork with lots of hussle makes for flair then they have that in aces. But dont McDonalds do this too? I suppose I was looking for something more than a production line and less perfunctory - the baristas didnt seem to be enjoying themselves and thought that a pity.

    On the plus side they were able to find and serve me with my coffee in a crowded environment without any waving of arms or prompting.

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    Hi all, just got an email from the Golden Cobra guys and Sonny will be at Cordial on Saturday morning to serve us!

    They very much appreciate our support and although its his day off, he is more than happy to come in that morning and make coffees for us.

    See you all on Saturday!

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1196044303/30#43 date=1197349262
    Hi Matty, I have only been there the once, directly after being at Cordial where the staff were friendly and the coffee was 5 star. *They seemed to take pride in what they were doing. *More often than not, I think it natural to measure one experience against another - and Campos was distinctly different to Cordial.

    I arrived at Campos with high expectations, as they do have a great reputation and going by the amount of people there also have a huge following. *Im sorry to say that I can only describe the espresso I had at Campos as very bitter.

    If being busy and having service working like clockwork with lots of hussle makes for flair then they have that in aces. *But dont McDonalds do this too? *I suppose I was looking for something more than a production line and less perfunctory - the baristas didnt seem to be enjoying themselves and thought that a pity.

    On the plus side they were able to find and serve me with my coffee in a crowded environment without any waving of arms or prompting.
    Fair enough. I guess Ive been there a lot, and have been there on days when its been pretty quiet. In those cases, when the baristas arent flat out, theyve always been happy to chat with me. Otherwise, when its been busy, theyre definately heads down working at the machine.

    Once I had to make coffees for a party my wife was running - a tupperware party thing. Trying to make 10 lattes, even with a hx machine was full on work, so Ive got a lot of respect for baristi that can crank out good coffees, time after time, but I also recognise that occassionally the extraction might look right, but somethings just off, maybe a stinker bean, maybe operator error, maybe in need of a clean. I realise that there are a lot of commas in that sentence.

    Ive found that the really good thing about campos is the consistency of the milk drinks.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Go around the corner Marty and try Cordial - would really love to hear your impressions!

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    I might be coming for breakfast if nothing else.
    I could also do without the rush at Campos.
    Ive been when its quiet and that was a great experience.
    TE was nothing special last time and as I have other things to do I will probably miss Mecca again.
    As for Di Bartoli, Im a regular so will catch Renzo and Ofra again another day.

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    Hey Guys,

    Nice to hear that there will be a few more people along. My little sister will be in town and will be joining us too.

    So the verdict with Campos...should we take our time at Cordial and then give Campos a miss if its too busy? With all this debate is it worth checking them out (again) or do people reckon we should, well, (coffee) snob them. I guess people have their favourites and good/bad experiences but i like Lucas suggestion with the blends...so how about:

    Cordial --> Campos --> Tobys Estate --> Mecca --> Di Bartoli

    We can always wing it a bit on the day if e.g. give Campos a miss if it looks rediculously busy. For what its worth, im keen to go to all of them, even if some outshine others, but happy to go along with a group consensus.

    Thanks hazchem for liasing with Sonny, thats great of him to come in just for us! Champ!

    -S

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    Re: Sydney Coffee Crawl - December 15 2007

    That sounds a great plan.......looking forward to the day!




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