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    QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    To get the ball rolling.....

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    Link to original thread in Coffee Equipment&#124;Roasters... http://<font color="#ffff00"><b><u>h.../u></b></font>

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    Pioneer have already put up the challenge. They will ship 3 kg of greens to each contender for $20 including postage and the contestants send back 500gm of roasted beans.

    Maybe that thread can be merged with this to keep things tidy and the details added to the title.

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    I think itll sort itself out Mark.... Ill just place a link from the original thread to this one and the others,

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    The challenge is as such. I send you 3Kg of greens for $20 inc postage. I have selected a bean that I have not roasted in years and am not familiar with. I have a bag of Cuban Torquino Lavada on its way too me. You send me 500gm of roasted sample and we will taste by cupping and espresso.

    If you are interested just pm me your address and when I am closer to sending the samples Ill give everyone my bank details to make payment.

    Samples will be sent from Pioneer on 1st May and must be recieved back at roastery by 18th.

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    PM sent, sounds like fun to me....... Ray.

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    a quick hint to researching the Cuban ... try Turquino rather than Torquino ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1208926505/0#5 date=1208937416
    a quick hint to researching the Cuban ... try Turquino rather than Torquino ;)
    Jason was probably trying to get you off the scent Tony! ;D

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    Hmmm,

    Crops from years gone buy in this region (2003-ish) were absolutely beautiful beans and made one of the smoothest, best balanced S.O.s Ive ever had. If these are even close, should be a great bean to use..... 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1208926505/0#6 date=1208938422
    ... Jason was probably trying to get you off the scent Tony! *;D
    hehehe, to no avail [smiley=evil.gif]

    Ill just have to add a bit of Cuban chop-chop to the roast, & thatll do the trick ... *;)





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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Glad you guys are doing the research.

    5 taken , 5 to go...

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    Ill ship beans on friday as this week as been hectic.... (this weeks cold snap is great for the coffee sales)

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    Should be interesting, hope Im in time.
    PM sent
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    I PMd under the old thread...hope you got it mate

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1208926505/0#10 date=1209505682
    Ill ship beans on friday as this week as been hectic.... (this weeks cold snap is great for the coffee sales)

    Thats great Jason !!!

    Looking forward to the competition.

    BTW would you care to list the CSs that have taken up the challenge?


    ps deposit made to your acct.

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    Any slots left - Im a newbie and would be interested to see how my results stack up

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    All paid up Jason. Cheers

    nmcampbell - nice machine...how about sticking some pics on the Extreme Machine section and a bit of a chat about her.

    Cheers

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Sorry guys, all coffee is accounted for and has gone to snobs attending the event. Please come along even if you are not roasting coffee for the day.

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    Ozscott,

    Theres a thread about my machine in the extreme section with a link to a photo album.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1205286292 - thats the thread.

    Its a beauty.

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1208926505/15#16 date=1209679189
    Sorry guys, all coffee is accounted for and has gone to snobs attending the event. Please come along even if you are not roasting coffee for the day.
    Attending the event ?? Werent we sending the beans back to you??


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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Belinda, you are welcome to send 500gm back. But attending will be a great day.

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    I would love to come, make no mistake and shifts allowing I will.

    But I must have missed something here.

    When is the judging?

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Here it is http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1208812579 Sunday 18th May at 10am

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    Ah, thanks Jason, somehow I did miss that thread.

    But Whoo Hooo, I can make it :-)

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    Re: QLD CoffeeSnobs "Roast-Off"...

    Be warned. Ive already started honing my skills by roasting 400 gm of Cuban Altura yesterday. [smiley=evil.gif] ;)

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    Beat you to it Sparky.

    I roasted Cuban Altura 10 days ago! Purely by coincidence though :-)

    Pretty good stuff. Lovely cocoa flavours in milk.


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    ... aint we roasting Jasons Turquino stash for the day - surely a different crop to the Altura?

    Practice aside on any Cuban greenies we can get hands on prior to Jasons choice, Lavada is Latin for purified ...

    can I assume that pertains to the processing (& hence roast profile)?

    Ahhh, Labour Day lag of public holiday in delivery ... just 10 days to play ...

    Tony ;)

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    "Lavada is Latin for purified ..." and colloqiually, lavada means wash or washed ;)

    Hmm...lots of quotation marks in that last sentence. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1208926505/15#25 date=1209987005
    ... aint we roasting Jasons Turquino stash for the day - surely a different crop to the Altura?

    Practice aside on any Cuban greenies we can get hands on prior to Jasons choice, Lavada is Latin for purified ...

    can I assume that pertains to the processing (& hence roast profile)?

    Ahhh, Labour Day lag of public holiday in delivery ... just 10 days to play ...

    Tony ;)
    If my roast blows yours out of the water, Tony, dont say I didnt warn you. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1208926505/15#27 date=1210027002
    If my roast blows yours out of the water, Tony, dont say I didnt warn you. :P
    hehehe ... heat-guns at 20 paces hey Mark! [smiley=evil.gif]

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    Just replace the pistol with a heat gun and this is what youre up against, Tony...

    http://www.popgive.com/2008/03/faste...ob-munden.html ;D

    On a serious note, the NSW crew are looking at SO blends. Given that Ive never roasted 600gm of green, this may be the only way I can go.

    This is shaping up to be a great day out. Im looking forward to the blind tasting and wonder if it will be possible to pick my own roast.

    I actually got into a bit of trouble with this roast off. I mentioned the tasting on the 18th to my wife and she immediately yelped; You cant go. Thats my birthday!... pause... pause... "No its not!" I repleid. But it was too late. The pauses got me. :-[

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    Sparky, buy her a day at a spa, for the 18th of course, and youll have plenty of time to get to the cupping before taking her to dinner that night. ;)

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    Mate, get your priorities right, whats more important. Teach her, her place and put her in it..

    Ray. :o :-X

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    Hey Jason, got the "Cuban Lavada" beans today. As big kev would say "Im excited". Looking forward to the 18th should be fantastic, thanks for including me in........

    Ray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1208926505/15#29 date=1210049431
    On a serious note, the NSW crew are looking at SO blends. Given that Ive never roasted 600gm of green, this may be the only way I can go.

    I was wondering about this, it might be the way to go. We really only need 150gm to cup so I said 500gm in case we wanted to put the beans through the espresso machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1208926505/15#29 date=1210049431
    ... given that Ive never roasted 600gm of green, this may be the only way I can go.
    To paraphrase your good self, Mark ...

    the measure of a coffee snob is not the size of their bread machine, but the magic they extract with it ;)

    ... but mines a biggie - the Ronson Bean-Meister ;D



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    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1208926505/30#34 date=1210125482
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1208926505/15#29 date=1210049431
    ... given that Ive never roasted 600gm of green, this may be the only way I can go.
    To paraphrase your good self, Mark ...

    the measure of a coffee snob is not the size of their bread machine, but the magic they extract with it ;)

    ... but mines a biggie - the Ronson Bean-Meister ;D

    I only have a umble bread maker. Any magic will be due to the roaster or me serupticiously switching my beans with Jasons....
    [smiley=evil.gif]

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    The beans are in the house. Lets roast!

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    OK Im off the blocks with two roasts up. One stopped right on SC at about 17 min 30 sec and the other stopped about 30 sec before SC. Both roasts are noticeably different in appearence and also in bean munch taste.

    Im planning to get a few more roasts in before the event and hopefully taste the results and figure out where I like it best. Maybe Ill dump some of the rejects to the neighbours...

    All good fun.

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    ... OK Im off the blocks with two roasts up. One stopped right on SC at about 17 min 30 sec and the other stopped about 30 sec before SC. Both roasts are noticeably different in appearence and also in bean munch taste ...

    Spooky deja vous, Mark.

    Same experience, roast-wise on the 2nd ...

    But Im venturing from the 3rd to the 4th tonight.

    The 4th, tonight & thus 7 days rest, will be my roast-of-the-moment ... no lamb (or sacrificial goat) will be subjected at any time during this [s]self-gratuitous [/s] process.

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    ... but Im adding eleven secret herbs and spices.

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    The one thing I didnt think of is that while you can all roast 5+ roasts, Im limited to 2. I have roasted the first batch which was just on 2nd and because I only had 25Kg for myself (2 roasts) will probably do a similar roast degree when I try it again this week. I should have given it more thought but hey, at least it will take the profile tweaking element away.

    On a sad note, I am fighting off a flu that has hit yesterday. Hopefully it will be gone by mid-week so my palate has time to recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1208926505/30#40 date=1210460469
    The one thing I didnt think of is that while you can all roast 5+ roasts, Im limited to 2. I have roasted the first batch which was just on 2nd and because I only had 25Kg for myself (2 roasts) will probably do a similar roast degree when I try it again this week. I should have given it more thought but hey, at least it will take the profile tweaking element away.
    Perhaps you need to set yourself up with a BM & HG on the side for smaller batches Jason! :D

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    Jason - even with the flu your pallet would be significantly better than mine without....I taste different levels of coffee :).

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1208926505/30#40 date=1210460469
    The one thing I didnt think of is that while you can all roast 5+ roasts, Im limited to 2. I have roasted the first batch which was just on 2nd and because I only had 25Kg for myself (2 roasts) will probably do a similar roast degree when I try it again this week. I should have given it more thought but hey, at least it will take the profile tweaking element away.

    On a sad note, I am fighting off a flu that has hit yesterday. Hopefully it will be gone by mid-week so my palate has time to recover.
    I think youre giving us too much credit. Anyway with mos day it was a bit hectic. I managed roast no. 3 today taking it further into 2nd crack for about CS 10. The roast also had a slower but constant ramp to SC for a total time of about 21 min and going about 30 sec into SC. This roast is very even and not too dark and ... well it looks the goods. Ill try roast 4 tomorrow morning to about the same level and make my decision mid week.

    Jason, I hope your flu gets its marching orders before Sunday because well need your expert taste buds to help guide us through the cupping. Any chance that Ant or May will be attending? Itd be great to have their expert barisa skills at hand.

    As for this contest, Im sure most of us are taking it very light heartedly. Youll get to taste what some of us home roasters do to a good bean and well get to compare to maybe a non optimised commercial roast. After all these roast-offs are done, we as a community will hopefully get some valuable feedback on what is achievable with home roasting.

    Cheers,

    Mark.

    PS: It would be good to try the roasts in milk as well. Ill happily to donate a gold coin or two to cover the costs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1208926505/30#43 date=1210499320
    ... I managed roast no. 3 today taking it further into 2nd crack for about CS 10. The roast also had a slower but constant ramp to SC for a total time of about 21 min and going about 30 sec into SC. This roast is very even and not too dark and ... well it looks the goods. Ill try roast 4 tomorrow morning to about the same level and make my decision mid week ...
    I explored takin the Cubans crackling into SC in my 4th roast of the bean ... FC at 13mins, then maintained constant temp for the next 4mins.

    Snap, crackle, pop at 19mins, but getting a bit too dark for my liking - cooled then.

    On the day, Im going with my 3rd roast (FC 195/12.30 mins ... pulled on crackles of SC at 17.30mins at 207 degrees).

    Bean tone looks light, yet the intensity of heat to get it to such suggests to me that this bean has a lot of intrinsic flavours that are hidden (dare I say over-roasted) past SC.

    Hence, my roast (10 days rest).

    And yeah Mark, Id like to compare cuppings via the machine with a tad milk as well.

    Tony

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    Tony, I actually have an imex as a sample roaster, it really only allows me to gauge the rough roast degree as well as potentials. Once it goes into the Diedrich the profiling options are limitless.

    My flu is going to be cleared by the weekend - the power of positive thought!

    I roasted the first 2 batches into 2nd crack also as Im finding some great complex flavours at that end of the spectrum.

    Ive let Ant, May and Luke know about the event. Ant & May try to keep their weekends (non work days) coffee free. Luke is stuck at the markets behind the Synesso, although he is suggesting to his boss that they both come up.

    We will have plenty of milk available to play on the espresso machine and Ill keep the K10 empty. The only thing is I have to leave at 2pm to make a family gathering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1208926505/30#44 date=1210505904
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky link=1208926505/30#43 date=1210499320
    ... I managed roast no. 3 today taking it further into 2nd crack for about CS 10. The roast also had a slower but constant ramp to SC for a total time of about 21 min and going about 30 sec into SC. This roast is very even and not too dark and ... well it looks the goods. Ill try roast 4 tomorrow morning to about the same level and make my decision mid week ...
    I explored takin the Cubans crackling into SC in my 4th roast of the bean ... FC at 13mins, then maintained constant temp for the next 4mins.

    Snap, crackle, pop at 19mins, but getting a bit too dark for my liking - cooled then.

    On the day, Im going with my 3rd roast (FC 195/12.30 mins ... pulled on crackles of SC at 17.30mins at 207 degrees).

    Bean tone looks light, yet the intensity of heat to get it to such suggests to me that this bean has a lot of intrinsic flavours that are hidden (dare I say over-roasted) past SC.

    Tony
    My 3rd roast has a distinctly different aroma. More roast flavours and what I associate with chocolate aromas coming to the fore. My lighter 1st and 2nd roasts are distinctly different with more of a varietal characteristic but with a hint of what associate with an unpleasant grassy flavour. Ill run a taste test before I come to any conclusions though. An amasing difference for what amounts to only a little extra roasting (only 1.5 oC hotter for roast 3).

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    Ive got 4 roasts completed. Two into SC, one just before SC and one about 30 sec before that one. Roast profiles are all different though. My last roast went just shy of 19 min but hit the hottest temperature. Its similar to roast 3 in colour but got there quicker.

    So Im ready to roll...


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    I made a shot of roast 1 this morning. Mmmmm, very smooth. This is definitely a very special coffee. I got very low acidity and mid body and a slight sweetness. Flavour was very delicate. Im not sure if this roast level will cut through milk at all. The grassy flavour I was worrying about wasnt there at all. At one shot, Im reminded of the Jamaican Blue Mountains coffee, but with a more muted flavour and less complexity. I wonder if the darker roasts will pick up some chocolate notes?

    Thanks Jason for offering this coffee for the roast-off.

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    Ive already tried my first (and only) roast of this in milk. Nice cocoa flavours. Very smooth. A very nice bean indeed.


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