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    Home Coffee Roaster Competition - 2019

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    It's on again:

    Home Coffee Roaster Competition - 2019





    After the huge success the last few years, the Home Roaster category will again use a "control bean". All entries will receive the same secret green bean, coffee bags and all postage paid for entry into 3 categories (Espresso, Latte, Filter).


    you will receive:


    1: 2.5kg of green beans
    2: 3 x entry bags with code numbers (these bags must be used)
    3: Freight to you.
    4: Express Post satchel to return your roasted coffee to us on the 9th Nov
    5: Freight to the Port Mac. competition.


    You will roast and return in the express post envelope:
    300g - Espresso
    300g - Cafe Latte
    300g - Filter


    The 2.5kg of green beans will produce about 2kg of roasted coffee so you are sending in less than half as your entry leaving you some to drink and experiment with.


    The beans will be judged anonymously by coffee industry professionals at the Golden Bean Roasting competition in Port Macquarie from the 20th to the 23rd of November 2019 and the winners of each category will be announced on the night of the 23rd.


    The overall Home Roaster champion with be the person with the highest combined scores in the 3 categories.


    Entries need to be posted back on the 7th or 8th of November so they arrive here on the 11th and 12th to ensure they make it into the judging. You can enter more than once if you want. Any substitution beans will void all your entries. Late returns will not be judged. Coffee bag entries should be sticky-taped at the top if you can't heat seal the edge with an iron (use brown paper between the 100 degree iron and the bag). We will announce the details of the secret bean on the 13th when entries are closed.


    As a Home Coffee Roaster competition, these must be roasted on a domestic roaster or home made contraption worth less than $2000. If you are roasting on something grander, please enter the commercial roasting competition at goldenbean.com.au or you can let us know prior and your results will be excluded from the overall homeroaster results but your coffee will still be blind judged. By entering you agree to sell your roaster to a fellow Coffee Snob for $2000 or less.

    Purchase your 2019 entry in BeanBay:




    Have fun and good luck!
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    Living in WA has been the second reason that put me off entering this great comp. This year though! already have pre-approval from the Head of finance, so it's on! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Living in WA has been the second reason that put me off entering this great comp.
    Ummm... why is living in WA a problem noonar?
    We have entries from every corner of the country each year.

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    My personal experience with deliveries from the Easter Seaboard, not from beanbay, but others have taken a reeeaalllly long time to get here, 30+ days and in a some cases a lot more, usually due to the carrier, maybe I live in a postal black spot or something? Less than ideal past delivery experience and hence a risk of missing the deadline has deterred me - it was only my second excuse though :-)

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    I suspect your problem is the other people shipping, BeanBay always rocks for deliveries!

    You only live 3400km from here. You ordered at 16:30 AEDT we had it packed by 5 and delivered to the mail centre before it closed.

    Lets see how long it takes to get to you.
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    Awesome service. +++++ :-)
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    Noonar. I did it from Perth last year and got it back in time. I thought I was late but they made it.

    Great experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I suspect your problem is the other people shipping, BeanBay always rocks for deliveries!

    You only live 3400km from here. You ordered at 16:30 AEDT we had it packed by 5 and delivered to the mail centre before it closed.

    Lets see how long it takes to get to you.
    Wow - todays online tracker update:
    It's on its way


    Most recent update
    Item processed at facility
    PERTH WA

    Date & timeTue 8 Oct • 4:44pm

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    Andy can the home roaster beans be sent to a parcel locker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Andy can the home roaster beans be sent to a parcel locker?
    Yeah, anywhere in the country via Express Post --- PO box, parcel locker, even Christmas Island are all okay.

    If you live really regional (which you don't, but if you did) then I would suggest making sure it posts back on the 7th to give AustPost the extra day to get it back here.

    We need to collate all the beans and then ship them to the competition to ensure everything is there for the start of judging.
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    Ordered at a critically late 4.30pm on Monday and arrived at my door in WA at 4.30pm on Wednesday (48hours later)!!!!! Unbelievable, shatters the previous delivery from the Eastern states time record by at least four days! Can only offer the highest praise for this level of service from Andy and his crew. Many many thanks. The pack was in a suburb 10kms away at 9.00am and took all day to get to home. So the turnaround time could've been even more amazing! Truly special Andy. Thanks again to all. Roasting Saturday for the return trip. :-)
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    I’ve never roasted the Yemeni coffee before, only sampled the roasted stuff. Gotta say this seems very similar to my untrained eye/nose/taste. It has the same distinctive aroma and requires a coarser grind than my version of the KJM roast.
    The taste is like a dialled down Yemeni, which I’m liking especially given that I’m probably the only person on coffeesnobs not to like or understand the Yemeni coffee.
    Anyhow that’s how I’m seeing it, could be completely wrong, nevertheless it’s a nice little bean to roast.
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    My thoughts are that this is dry processed coffee. Roasted to a couple of degrees before second crack - I'm getting some cocoa and berry flavours. My prediction is that this is an Ethiopian, possibly Ghimbi.
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    My guess too, on grinding, the African/espEthiopian characteristics are very familiar. in the cup, Cocoa and berry and plum, lingering fruity aftertaste, the Latte profile I used is a stand-out in milk - as a Latte. Tried one roast just to second crack (at 219C) and decided the fruit was diminishing (to me anyway), out of time and beans so did not go any higher/longer with competition entries. Wish I had more time to experiment and taste. I could be completely wrong.
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    hi Andy

    Was it correct that I received a 500g express post satchel for the return of the 3*300g bags of roasted coffee? ..(I also did notice I received the beans in a 1kg satchel instead of the normal 3kg)

    cheers

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    Yep, new post rules... if it fits in the satchel it's okay.

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    Tried a test roast yesterday. First impressions were Ethiopia. Quite a mixed bag of beans in terms of size, colour, condition. Roasted as filter coffee, I get the classic red fruit notes, Turkish delight, moderate acidity, fleshy body, nice lingering blackcurrant aftertaste.

    Not dissimilar to the Ardi bean offered here at various times in the past!

    I'm sticking with my guess of Ethiopia, but if that was wrong my second guess would be Peru

    Whatever it is, it's a great coffee and has the potential to be a stunner in all three brew types

    Just finished the last of my aeropress brew... Always a good sign when the last mouthful in the cup tastes best of all
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    Posted off my entry this morning, massive effort last night with 9 batches roasted.
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    Posted mine the other day. All that practice with Tetris during my younger years certainly paid off when filling the satchel
    I found these little suckers a bit of a challenge for my roaster.
    Smaller beans seem to run away quicker than others for me (from experience) so the first roast went a little darker than I wanted to. Second roast used less heat and still progressed a bit too fast for my liking.
    Anyway, all done now and I'm going to sample some this weekend and then progressively until judging date.

    Thanks again to Andy for all the work organising this.

    Brett.
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    Thanks for organising the competition again this year Andy. For me just going through the process of roasting back-to-back and tasting and comparing the same bean has given me a much better understanding of how I can improve my regular roasting. So regardless of competition results it was already worth it for me, any additional feedback from judging is a bonus.

    But now the suspense is killing me Andy... which bean was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by witherz View Post
    For me just going through the process of roasting back-to-back and tasting and comparing the same bean has given me a much better understanding of how I can improve my regular roasting. So regardless of competition results it was already worth it for me, any additional feedback from judging is a bonus.
    Exactly! I'm just the same and use competition to step back and be more critical on what I'm doing and I've found the tweaks that I make to my roasts carry through the year ahead so all my roasted customers benefit from the process. However good you think your roasts are now, they can nearly always be improved and I've also found my targets and tastes change over a period of time too.

    Okay, the bit you have been waiting for...

    (Insert drumroll)

    Ethiopia Shakisso Estate

    Was the secret control bean for the Home Roaster Comp this year.

    So yeah, as guessed by many it was an Ethiopian and a stunner at that. Lighter roasts are full of lime like citrus and bright berry flavours and as the roast progresses the dark cocoa flavours really pop. I don't think there is a right or wrong roast of these, just different roaster takes on what you are aiming for.

    It's a special bean and a lot of fun to roast once you get over the problems that some roasters will have handling the smaller beans in there.

    We landed a fair amount of this one to let people play after the comp and it's available in BeanBay now.

    Judging is next week and we hope to have at least some of the results published here during the presentation dinner on the Saturday night.
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    Thanks again for organising this every year Andy, it's really cool for us home roasters to have the opportunity to have our roasts judged by professionals.
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    So here are some "engine room" hardware pics at Golden Bean 2019.

    Espresso and milk based are done on the new Rancilio along with EK grinders. There are 2 x 3 group and 2 x 2 group machines belting out great coffee all day. No big temperature swings or "redo's" required, just shot after shot consistent.

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    Again we have a "wall 'o Brazen brewers". It's rare to have this much available power but having the ability to batch a whole row of brewers for each filter coffee is great for workflow. The quality and consistency of doing filter this way is excellent and is really giving each coffee it's chance to shine within the same brewing parameters.

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    And the surprise packet (for me at least) is the new category for "superauto". These new Rancilio superauto machines have changed my opinion of what it possible on an auto. Super-auto machines have always suffered from too small a puck size to get a decent coffee, many are set to 7 grams, these are configured for a 20g double shot (to match the comp rules) and can be configured for up to a 25g shot.

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    When the first competition espresso came off this machine I was blown away. You really couldn't tell it was from an auto and I tried quite a few stunners today.

    More than 1600 coffees entered across all the categories, 3200 cups in total (as each coffee is judged by two judges) and about 1200 a day have been judged so far. Tomorrow the last 800 odd cups will get done leaving the finals in each category to be done late afternoon.

    It's an amazing effort by the 100 odd judges here and the crew in the engine-room getting everything out. I think this still ranks as the largest coffee competition in the world.

    I've enjoyed some amazing filter coffees and some that well... trying to be polite, maybe shouldn't have been in the filter category (or any category) but hopefully their feedback will make them a little more self-critical of what they produce.

    It's a crazy busy insane caffeine overloaded week but everyone is having fun in the anticipation of finding the gems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    ...I've enjoyed some amazing filter coffees and some that well... trying to be polite, maybe shouldn't have been in the filter category (or any category) but hopefully their feedback will make them a little more self-critical of what they produce.
    Were these from the home roaster section or general commercial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Were these from the home roaster section or general commercial?
    Those comments were about the commercial categories.

    Today we have done most of the Home Roaster filter coffees and the milk/espresso soon and the results are similar.

    Some stunning filters in the home roaster section, many comments on the filter tables of "this is better than a lot of the commercial ones we had yesterday"... so well done everyone.

    There were a few that were roasted a big deep for filter and the notes on the score sheets will show that too.

    engineroombuzz.jpg filterbeans.jpg

    You can see Steve sorting the score sheets and beans ready for the wall 'o Brazen to make them.
    The bottom left cup is a little dark for filter and will probably have toasty notes and might be better suited to milk based but the other 4 are looking great.

    Loving most of what I'm trying so far, well done everyone!
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    It's really interesting seeing how all the different styles are prepared, seeing the different beans together like that, and the behind the scenes of an event like this... thanks for taking the time to share this with us Andy.

    I wouldn't be surprised if those dark filter beans were mine... I have no idea what I'm aiming for with roasting for filter beside a lighter roast, and made the bad decision to roast a 400g batch when I'd been doing everything else as 250g batches... It behaved differently than I was expecting so result was not what I was aiming for, but you live and learn from these things I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witherz View Post
    ...and made the bad decision to roast a 400g batch when I'd been doing everything else as 250g batches... It behaved differently than I was expecting so result was not what I was aiming for, but you live and learn from these things I suppose.
    EXACTLY! If you learnt just one little thing from entering then it was worthwhile, that single lesson will remain in your roasting "rule book" forever more.

    There is no specific right or wrong in coffee, just different takes on that bean. Filter is typically lighter, but too light will make it sour so finding the literal sweetspot is really the aim. The point of the roast that the sugars are high, the sours are balanced and the flavours in the coffee can be a highlight. Any roast/toast/char can really amplify in the more delicate filter cup.

    A slightly darker roast in the espresso class will often turn into cocoa / chocolate flavours in the cup so something that didn't quite work as filter might rock in milk or as an espresso.

    As always, taste, taste, taste. Even without professional or industry training you have a great instant score computer in your mouth. You know what you like and what you don't as soon as you taste it, as long as you know how to roast like that again you can make small changes to your profile to improve it. Keep building on that and you will be a roast-star in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    EXACTLY! If you learnt just one little thing from entering then it was worthwhile, that single lesson will remain in your roasting "rule book" forever more.

    There is no specific right or wrong in coffee, just different takes on that bean. Filter is typically lighter, but too light will make it sour so finding the literal sweetspot is really the aim. The point of the roast that the sugars are high, the sours are balanced and the flavours in the coffee can be a highlight. Any roast/toast/char can really amplify in the more delicate filter cup.

    A slightly darker roast in the espresso class will often turn into cocoa / chocolate flavours in the cup so something that didn't quite work as filter might rock in milk or as an espresso.

    As always, taste, taste, taste. Even without professional or industry training you have a great instant score computer in your mouth. You know what you like and what you don't as soon as you taste it, as long as you know how to roast like that again you can make small changes to your profile to improve it. Keep building on that and you will be a roast-star in no time.
    Well said Andy.

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    After 3 hours of collating, adding and double checking the scores in my secret location hotel room...

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    The 2019 Home Roaster Competition results are now official.


    Espresso
    1st - Stephen - "Steve82"
    2nd - Mark - "bruiserbbq"
    3rd - David - "Noonar"


    Filter
    1st - Matthew - "matth3wh"
    2nd - Richard - "trickydicky2"
    3rd - Trent - "trento76"

    Milk
    1st - Richard - "trickydicky2"
    2nd - David - "Noonar"
    3rd - Trent - "trento76"

    OVERALL CHAMPIONS
    (with the highest combined scores of all 3 coffees)

    1st - Richard - "trickydicky2"
    2nd - David - "Noonar"
    3rd - Stephen - "Steve82"


    Well done to everyone that had a go, there were 75 coffees in total all scored by two judges each and the scores of many in the home roaster category were higher than some of the commercial roasts over the last few days of judging. Lots of the judges around the room commented to me just how enjoyable some of these entries were as did the baristas in the engine room who did their best to show your coffee off.

    I'm back at the Snobbery next week and we'll aim to post all the score sheets back asap. Some have great feedback to describe why the coffees scored what they did, some others are a little lax in detail but you should all get some tips and ideas on what to change to improve where you are at.



    Number Espresso 1 Espresso 2 Filter 1 Filter 2 Milk 1 Milk 2 Espresso Total Filter Total Milk Total Overall
    203606 27 29 26 26 25 24 56 52 49 157
    203613 23 24 24 24 29 29 47 48 58 153
    203614 25 25 24 24 31 31 50 48 62 160
    203618 25 26 21 19 24 27 51 40 51 142
    203620 15 13 23 23 20 19 28 46 39 113
    203621 20 21 21 18 26 28 41 39 54 134
    203639 16 16 20 21 23 23 32 41 46 119
    203647 25 24 27 27 26 27 49 54 53 156
    203651 13 11 20 21 20 19 24 41 39 104
    203692 21 19 21 25 24 24 40 46 48 134
    203722 16 16 26 25 22 21 32 51 43 126
    203725 22 22 25 25 20 21 44 50 41 135
    203732 18 18 22 23 24 21 36 45 45 126
    203813 18 18 22 22 22 22 36 44 44 124
    203856 22 18 22 23 22 21 40 45 43 128
    203892 20 18 28 27 30 31 38 55 61 154
    203905 13 13 22 22 24 23 26 44 47 117
    203971 21 21 27 29 35 35 42 56 70 168
    203996 21 21 21 21 19 20 42 42 39 123
    204040 19 19 28 25 28 27 38 53 55 146
    204356 20 18 31 29 26 26 38 60 52 150
    303606 24 25 22 22 28 25 49 44 53 146
    303647 24 24 22 22 28 27 48 44 55 147
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    WOOHOO! This is the best thing ever!. Andy and crew thank you all very sincerely. Never expected a podium, well done winners and all other contestants. Keep it running please :-). Thanks again!
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    https://youtu.be/GCf3U6kL__k

    Here's a pull of my Latte profile of the competition bean - if it loads.
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    Great stuff Noonar, congratulations, you must be absolutely stoked.

    And of course my congratulations to winners in the other classes as well.
    Well done to Andy for organising the competition and collating the results, I imagine it must have entailed an enormous amount of work.

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    The beans (and Andy and crew) did all the work TBH, they are pretty flippin good. I have been looking for a special christmas bean and now I have found it. Lovely.
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    Well done noonar, and to think you nearly didn't enter.

    Bet you are glad you did. It's a great coffee and I entered it too in the commercial categories. We'll see soon if I did a good job on it too!
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    Flippin'heck!

    [...Falls off chair]
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    Further thoughts... Close comp!

    Congrats to all home roasters who entered and to David and Steve!

    Andy, a fantastic choice of green as always. Awesome that the home roaster comp exists. It's thanks to you, and long may it continue! ��
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    Quote Originally Posted by trickydicky2 View Post
    Flippin'heck!

    [...Falls off chair]
    As you should! Well done you are officially the best home roaster in Australia for 2019-2020

    ...and yes, it's a great bean. I personally won bronze in filter, milk and espresso with it in the commercial category (against $400 geisha coffees). This bean is a bargain at this price and I'm happy that the judges rated it in all categories, I knew it had the potential to roast to suit any brew method ( which is rare )

    Again, well done all.
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    Congrats on the medals Andy

    I've just made two rather nice flat whites for me and my better half using the mystery bean. Very pleased to have done this lovely green bean justice in the roaster. Cheers!IMG20191124083704.jpg
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    Thank you Andy & crew….much appreciate all your efforts….fantastic way to learn and improve our home roasting!


    I was blown away to earn 2nd for espresso…..yahoo!…..and really looking forward to my score sheet and see how I can improve.


    I obviously need to work on my Filter and Latte roasts.


    Would any of the major place winners be willing to participate in a bean swap?
    If I could sample some of the winning roasts…..wow….how cool would that be?….and a great learning tool.


    I still have some of the comp beans and I’m willing to swap say 200g of my 2nd placed Espresso with the major place winners if interested.


    I used a Kaffelogic Nano 7……so I can easily repeat the same profile.




    Thanks once again Andy & crew.


    Cheers Mark
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    Thanks for running the comp again Andy and the extra effort required in doing so on top of your commercial efforts, congratulations on the commercial medals.

    Congratulations to Richard for winning, great effort again on the Gene! You should become a Gene tudor for Andys sales team.

    Some interesting results for me having put in 2 entries for the first time, comparing my small gas drum and KL Nano 7 air roaster.

    Small gas drum got the winning espresso, I quite enjoyed the couple the of espresso shots pulled with this so that's helpful to know its on par.

    Entered the same roast (OMNI) for each category from both machines / entries which has given me some interesting numbers to work with going forward and hopefully some useful feedback on score sheets to learn / refine things further.

    Winning espresso profile below.
    333g batch size / 400g drum / gas stove.
    Dry end is when I see full yellow.
    This was a bit of tricky bean to not have it take off approaching and through first crack.
    If you call first crack after hearing first pops it's more like 1:00 to 1:05 finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruiserbbq View Post
    [COLOR=#000000][FONT=&quot]I used a Kaffelogic Nano 7……so I can easily repeat the same profile.
    Interested to know what profile and batch size you used?
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    G'day Steve, I used the Ninja profile (2.6) and 100g green batch size.

    Cheers Mark

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    Thanks Steve!

    Re Gene roaster, happy to share what's worked for me

    Latte roast profile:
    Preheat to 240C
    250g charge
    240C/9.9min
    235C/0.1min
    230C/0.1min
    225C/0.3min
    220C/0.2min
    215C/0.2min
    210C/1.5min
    E stop, fan cool in a roasting tray

    Total roast time 12.3min. Development time about 20%

    Intent was to achieve a declining rate of rise post first crack and retain the fruity aromatics while giving it enough roast development to play nice in milk... Rich sugar browning, body and some cut through without charry notes. It worked!

    It took a few tests to get there, but that's half the fun isn't it! Also, I spent an hour or so grading the green beans pre-roast. However I'd call this a labour of love rather than fun.Scrapped about 100g of the total weight supplied. For regular home use I'd say this is overkill really, but it is worth picking out any Quakers post roast, for sure, to avoid the occasional sour cup.

    Happy roasting
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    congrats to all well done!
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    Big congrats to the medal winners, amazing work and you'd be stoked with the results! And well done to all who entered, great experience
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    Congrats everyone, looks like a lot of fun. Should get my %^$# together and do it next year.

    Cheers
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    I have to say, it's very reassuring when one of the two people who roast espresso for me (Andy being the other) comes top of the espresso category. Big congratulations to Steve82!!! I know how much care and effort he puts into roasting, and his win in that category is well deserved IMHO. Congrats to all the others as well.

    Hey Steve, can I get some of that roast in my next order?

    P.s. Hats off to Andy and the team for organising and holding this event. Must be a great learning opportunity.
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    Congrats to all the medal winners and everyone that entered. Thanks to Andy for organising the home roaster competition again , looking forward to getting the scoring sheet back, and will be ordering some roasted and green beans to try again.
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    All the score sheets were collated and posted off from here yesterday.

    Aussie Post will get them in your letterboxes soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Congrats everyone, looks like a lot of fun. Should get my %^$# together and do it next year.

    Cheers
    Me too!!!!
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    Hmmm...

    Might have to scout around for a smaller BM so that I can have a go too.
    The Breville Big Loaf we have is great for roasting bigger batches but anything under 500-600g is a waste of time unfortunately.

    The search begins,
    Mal.



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