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    Re: Are grinders that important?

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    el_thommo,

    Simple answer..... although the variation may appear ridiculous.... the best you can afford!

    The grind quality is certainly far better with the more expensive grinders (>$600)..... and regardless of the machine, the espresso will be better!

    But if on a budget, an EM0450 or 0480 are about the lowest acceptable quality..... a rocky, iberital etc would be much better.... and then above that you are in high quality grinder territory....

    An expensive grinder will last a lifetime..... and will be capable of grinding for a more expensive machine if you ever upgrade...

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    You bet they are! I was once given a rocket for my choice in grinder on this forum and my research to date suggests that the grinder is the first thing which should be considered when setting up for the first time. I have just replaced my Sunbeam EM480 with a Mini Mazzer E. What a difference (not just in price)! Still getting to grips with the timing of the grind, however the difference in taste is amazing. Minimal clumping and no where near as much mess.

    Yes it is a huge difference in price, however IMHO I believe it is worth the cost.

    My second crack worth.

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    Re: Re: Are grinders that important?

    how much is a mini mazzer?


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    Re: Are grinders that important?

    Quote Originally Posted by el_thommo link=1229850974/0#2 date=1230082266
    how much is a mini mazzer?
    Gday Thommo - welcome to the forum.

    Yes, a quality grinder is imperative to get the best extraction from your beans. Whats your budget? Ideally you need a grinder with micro-metric settings - adjustable in fineness/courseness depending on the age of the roast, the darkness of the roast, and the origin of the beans.

    Yep, a lot of variables involved, meaning that a grinder with twin set burrs grinding in opposite directions yet in unison, is essential to get the best out of whatever beans youre using.

    A mini Mazzer is a great start - contact Chris at Talk Coffee in Melbourne, or Dennis at Cuppa-coffee in Sydney ... think about close to $1000 for a grinder that Im suggesting, although these blokes could probably do a deal depending on your needs - great guys, and negotiable/accomodating to committed Snobs & their needs! :D

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    Oh, and Thommo - always Grind On Demand matey ;D

    Tony




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    Re: Are grinders that important?

    Yes YES and yes! The grinder is the most important component to making great tasting coffee. The real Barista job is mainly knowing how to adjust the grinder to produce the best cup of coffee. There are two main types of coffee grinders, conical burr and flat burr, most people in the coffee industry think that conical is better than flat because the motor needs spin at lower RPM, so it does not heat up as much, but this is just a myth, probably flat burr on average are better grinders because they much better at producing a constant grind and are mechanically stronger. For example, coffee may contain external bodies such as(small pieces of metal and stones) if they go through a conical grinder they will surely damage and cause misalignment within the grinder while in a flat-burr it will just crunch the contaminant and expel it. When you choose a grinder it is important to choose the right grinder for your requirements. For home use i would suggest a fresh on-demand grinder considering the small quantity used each time. For professional use, again depends upon the coffee that will be ground per day, up to 10 kgs just a standard 60-65 flat burr grinder will be adequate, but if you really understand the important of the grinder and portion control to minimize cost and optimize efficiency and quality then the best grinder on the market is definitely the Mythos from Eureka grinders. There is alot of buzz around the Mazzer brand, but in my opinion they are over-rated. They are good quality grinders, but too expensive for what they are and mechanically they have a few disadvantages compared to other brands. For example, in the Mazzer the adjustment of the dose is very complicated and it is easy to disassemble the mechanism by mistake. Another issue is the grinder adjustment, which is too easy to accidently or due to vibration change some settings. Definitely stay away from the Azkoyen automatic grinder, they look good but they have alot of issues with coffee jamming through the dispensing system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destijl link=1229850974/0#4 date=1230084282
    Yes YES and yes! The grinder is the most important component to making great tasting coffee. The real Barista job is mainly knowing how to adjust the grinder to produce the best cup of coffee ...
    Simultaneous posts Destijl, agreeing on the same issue essentially! ;D

    Regardless of the grinder, be it a Mazzer mini, or Robur, or K3, or Anfim Super Lusso (mine :)), I agree with Des that the person behind that grinder and their knowledge of observed pours is the key to fine espresso.

    I have to acquaint myself with my bro-in-laws SB 6910 matched to my Anfim grinder over the Xmas break - Ive roasted my own beans, and know my grinder & what settings are needed. The unknown factor is the consequent extraction from the 6910 - but thats the deciding factor in modifying the grind accordingly.

    Hence the need for a quality grinder that gives you options. ;)

    Tony

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    Re: Re: Are grinders that important?

    "Mythos from Eureka"

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