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    Which Grinder?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    Thundergod put it on your birthday wish list :D

    Now i am seriously trying to work out what to do about a grinder!! :-/

    I did so well not to use Chriss grinder!! But now to hear my partner go on about THE grinder is sending me into search mode ::)

    Then of course there is the whole argument of doser or doserless :-/

    I thought i was a coffee snob for refusing to drink instant coffee over the last 7 years or so.... this new discovery has my head spinning ;D

    I ditched 3 coffees today because the pour was not good! i even ditched the start of the grind!! :o

    To think that only yesterday i was thinking what a waste that was!! ;D ;D

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    Re: unsure and need help

    In my opinion a doser gives you more options.

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    hmmmm but apparently there is a learning curve or knack perhaps to the doser one that can be frustrating?

    I suppose i should go and try a few different ones before trying to decide on that aspect of things?

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    Re: unsure and need help

    I find doserless ones messy and clumpy.

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    Re: unsure and need help

    Quote Originally Posted by Oonga link=1230700557/40#57 date=1231237708
    hmmmm but apparently there is a learning curve or knack perhaps to the doser one that can be frustrating?

    I suppose i should go and try a few different ones before trying to decide on that aspect of things?
    Thats what I would do and highly recommend this approach
    Test drive all available grinders and buy what suits you
    TG and I have the same grinder
    However they differ as he has a doser model & I have the doserless

    Choose a grinder what is right for you but dont skimp on quality

    KK

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    KoffeeKosmo

    The one you have is the one my partner was using and loved!!

    I agree with you not skimping on quality i could see the difference in the grinder he was using and ours just by looking at his grind :(

    Not only did his grind look better but his results were quicker and the results in the cup were better too!!

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    I splurged and went for the M4D micrometric in chrome and it is built like a tank and grinds beautifully.

    All M4s are, I would presume, the same quality.

    With a small custom hopper it fits neatly in the kitchen too, and since you have your partner on side it sounds like a done deal.

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    Yes it would certainly be a splurge.

    Not to mention we have the Iberital that is only about 3 weeks old to sell then, not sure how hard that would be, there is already one for sale on the for sale section.

    but i guess it would be a lasting splurge and i agree it would fit nicely in a kitchen :D

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    Mine fits nicely even with the tall hopper.

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    OK so i know what doser and doserless means :)

    but what does stepless mean??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oonga link=1231235094/0#9 date=1231387507
    OK so i know what doser and doserless means :)

    but what does stepless mean??

    As you vary the grind size.... you can do it in steps (changed by a finite amount each time..... hopefully small - but not with some cheap grinders). You could be caught with an ideal grind size between two adjacent steps.... not ideal.

    Stepless is "without steps"..... so you can adjust the grind size as little or as much as you want.

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    JavaB so the one i have the Iberital doserless that has the knob on the side that you have to twist and twist a fair few times to make a change in it is considered a what???

    would the Macap M4D one be considered a stepless? where the thing on top could be changed a small amount and was more accurate in the change in grind??

    Does that make sense? or am i totally confused??

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    Yep, a grinder where you rotate a know to vary the grind size is stepless.....

    The upside is you can adjust the grind as finely as you like....
    The downside is if you want to change from plunger grind to espresso.... you need LOTS of turns....

    A stepped grinder on the other hand is quickly turned to one if its pre-set steps.... and as long as these are close together.... they are generally capable of sufficiently fine adjustment (always the case with expensive stepped grinders)...

    The M4D is also stepless..... but uses a different locking method... (not the worm drive like the Iberital)..... which is better?..... well depends how finely you want your adjustment.... and how often you want to make massive changes..... I like the Iberital worm drive - espresso only - and thats what I have on my DRM flat/conical commercial grinder.

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1231235094/0#12 date=1231392008
    Yep, a grinder where you rotate a know to vary the grind size is stepless.....

    The upside is you can adjust the grind as finely as you like....
    The downside is if you want to change from plunger grind to espresso.... you need LOTS of turns....

    A stepped grinder on the other hand is quickly turned to one if its pre-set steps.... and as long as these are close together.... they are generally capable of sufficiently fine adjustment (always the case with expensive stepped grinders)...

    The M4D is also stepless..... but uses a different locking method... (not the worm drive like the Iberital)..... which is better?..... well depends how finely you want your adjustment.... and how often you want to make massive changes..... I like the Iberital worm drive - espresso only - and thats what I have on my DRM flat/conical commercial grinder.
    Just a quick note of clarification here. Oongas partner trained on a silver stepped version of the M4D. These are pretty scarce these days as most people prefer the bling of the chrome micrometric version. In this grinder, I actually like the stepped version more ;)

    Chris

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    i am so very unsure of how far to go with my knob I had a laugh
    i was turning it a small amount and it was not making any difference
    i have since realised i have to turn it like 1 or 2 full turns to make much difference

    but just then i found the grind was too fine so i wanted to make it coarser and i only turned it a little bit, and it made no difference. I was scared to use the coffee because i dont have that much left and it doesnt seem like the payment will clear to get my coffee from beanbay I had a laugh

    actually might be a good idea to get some supermarket beans to waste on working out how much i need to twist to get different grinds I had a laugh

    Thanks for all that information :)

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    Im afraid the supermarket beans will be a waste. They will be stale and will grind differently to fresh beans--and no matter what you do the coffee will be sub-par.

    The grind for each bean batch will be different, and will also vary due to the age of the beans, the humidity, and the temperature, (and the way you hold your tongue!), so there are no hard and fast answers. A little experimenting will soon have you in the right ballpark.

    On my Macap the usual max-min range is only about 4 rotations of the winder, so I am rarely far enough out to have to discard a shot as undrinkable. And I have about 3 different coffees on the go at any one time!

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    Theres some great info on how to get the best out of your machine and grinder here "Oonga"...
    http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide.html

    Well worth your time to read and implement..... :)

    Cheers,
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    Greg,

    yes well i just happened to find some old supermarket beans that are at least about a month old as in that is how long i have had them I had a laugh
    they were so bland there was no taste to it really!! I cant believe that those beans used to taste ok in my pre coffee snob days, now they are like not drinking coffee!!!
    i hate to sound like my mother who is a turkish coffee addict but it was like dirty water so to speak.

    in regards to the practice i meant getting used to how much difference it will make to the grind depending on how much i wind it either way for coarseness or fineness.
    But i guess you make a valid point that really it will be a case of different beans and roasts having different needs.

    It was weird when we did our little course, we noticed with our grinder that although i was twisting towards finer the grind started to get coarser after a few twists I had a laugh Even Chris asked me which way i was grinding I had a laugh then after another 2 full twists it went finer again, so i guess that is what i meant by getting to know my grinder and its quirks :D

    Which Macap do you have?


    oh and i forgot to add that i got an email at almost 5pm to say my beans have been shipped 8-)

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    Thanks Mal,
    off to read now :)

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    Re: Which Grinder?

    Just a quick note of clarification here. Oongas partner trained on a silver stepped version of the M4D. These are pretty scarce these days as most people prefer the bling of the chrome micrometric version. In this grinder, I actually like the stepped version more

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    That is the one I have apparently they are scarce as hens teeth as Chris has already noted
    I love it and I dont have a bad word to say about it as it has served me faithfully

    However back to the stepless answer, the Iberital grinder has a very fine adjusting thread size that is the reason why you require many many turns to see any results

    Whereas the Macap has its adjustment on the large ring collar with a larger thread (less turns needed) just under the bean hopper and easier to adjust than the Iberital
    I believe Chris can confirm this when you see him on your next visit

    They are a different class of machine

    KK

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    hahahhaha yes i havent stopped hearing about what a different class of machine they are ::)

    KK do you find your machine leaves much of a mess??

    by mess i dont mean ground coffee around the machine, I mean ground coffee flying off and spitting a metre away?

    That is one reason i want to try the dosered version.

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    KK do you find your machine leaves much of a mess??

    by mess i dont mean ground coffee around the machine, I mean ground coffee flying off and spitting a metre away?

    That is one reason i want to try the dosered version.
    A quick answer is no it does not disperse coffee all over the place it is very clean and easy to live with


    Have a look at this discussion thread
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1213487719

    Also have a look at this video to see how clean the design works
    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg2JX_oky-o

    KK

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    Thanks for that KK :)

    sounds like a really great machine!!!!

    My partner said he noticed it wasnt all that messy either when he used it :)

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    Thank you to everyone for their input with this grinder thread :D

    we now have the M4D machine that my partner used at the training session *YAY*

    first thing Chris said was "didnt take you long to come back" :P

    Funny thing is when KK wrote that next time we go to see Chris ..... I remember thinking hmmmmm fancy KK just assuming that we will be back, ::) ;D

    So now it will be a case of selling the Iberital. :)

    I am going to make a coffee soon and I cant wait ;D


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    Re: Which Grinder?

    Or keep the Iberital for taking on holidays.

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    hahahaha that is what Chris suggested as well.

    I will try and sell it but if nothing comes of it i wont stress I guess.

    Because really i cant see us lugging a machine around on holidays I had a laugh

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    Buy an Aeropress.
    That and the Iberital will take up very little room and weight.

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    hmmmm i will think about it :)

    I cant put it up for sale on CS yet anyway I had a laugh

    Finally got the grinder working properly for my machine :D




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