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    Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I am having trouble with getting consistent results from my EM0480, so of course - an upgrade.
    The Compak K3 is unfortunately too high to fit under my cupboards, unless a lower hopper is found. Looking at eBay, new Cunill Tranquilos are sold at $200 to $265 - half price compared with K3.
    Of course, with a K3 (or substitute) I will get the service Chris (Talk Coffee) provides; but what do I get better from the grinder? More consistent results, less mess, less coffee trapped in the chute.. or not?

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Unless youre lucky you probably will not find a mini hopper for a K3 in Oz. I had to pick one up from the U.S.

    Cant comment on the Cunill, however, I have been very happy with my Compak. I used to have the Sunbeam and the Compak makes less noise and there is less left in the chute (less waste).

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    The Cunill Tranquilo grinder is a decent enough unit and there are several members who own and use them. As with everything to do with coffee brewing machinery, it all comes back to personal preferences, compromise and cost.

    The best advice is to try out the various grinders on your short-list for yourself before you buy but I dont know that I would buy one from e(vil)bay.... Pretty risky and I wouldnt hold up much hope of receiving genuine service and support if(when) something should go wrong. Anyway, thats something for you to weigh up.

    Have you had a cruise through this thread yet?.... Info/Reviews of Grinders . Lots of info about quite a few grinder options there and maybe some further food for thought....

    Cheers :)
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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Depending on how large a small hopper you want, it is fairly easy to make one.

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    I just purchased a Cunill Tranquilo. Was delivered the next to rural NSW. I was looking at buying a Compak K3T but decided on the ebay purchase for a few of reasons, price, the fact that I am a newbie (this is my first grinder) and I thought it would be a good place to start as I really have no idea. Specifications say it should be good grinder, 240w motor, 60mm burrs. I have been using it all of one day and really cant comment on the product until I get the hang of it (although I have noticed an improvement in my feeble attempts so far).
    The draw back has been the lack of instructions. One A4 page and most of it in Spanish. It does look a bit plasticy online but in real life is not that bad.

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    What machine do you have?

    Do you have a good tamper?

    Are you using fresh beans?

    Any questions on how to use the grinder?

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    I have a EM6910 and the standard tamper. Since I roast at home, the beans are rather too fresh than too old.
    I have started experimenting with blending beans roasted differently - some even to CS9. *This has (I have just discovered) caused the workings of the grinder to gum up, with grounds and even beans stuck at different places in the grinder, not just the chute.
    So now, in addition to the requirement of very good and consistent grinding, and the features of minimal grounds stuck in the chute, and minimal messiness, I also have the requirement of easy cleaning of oily remains..
    I have read tests and reviews on the Internet until I cannot find any more. Doserless grinders always seem to get grounds stuck in the chute, and always be messy to use - except the Tranquilo which as main negative feature has its ugliness. *Since it is cheaper than the others - WHAT AM I MISSING??
    The 0480 worked without a problem for over a year, and it still works, though not as well as I wish.

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    If at all possible, do a side by side comparison. I have never used a Cunill. However I have noticed in peoples lists of favourite grinders on this site, Compak is always present and Cunill is not - of what I have read anyway.

    The telling will be in the results :).

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Theyre different grinders at a different price point and with a totally different build quality.

    I think a good comparison is to put the tranquilo up against a rocky. The K3T can pretty much hold its own against a Mazzer mini-e and with that in mind, represents terrific value at a smidge under $600.

    For mine, the price/value equation is not bettered.

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Seems to be the consistency. I could get some great shots from my EM0480, but few and far between. With the mazzer mini (which I only got over the Compak because I got a cheap deal) its a very consistent result, and a greater ability to fine-tune. And the great shots I got from the EM0480 are now run-of-the-mill from the mazzer, and better shots are now my goal. Looking at the comparison, the Cunhill would be around the Rocky level, which is still a good grinder, and a good step up from the sunbeam, but you will probably upgrade sometime later, whereas the Compak would be fine to use with just about whatever machine you upgrade to in the future.

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C574D5F0009380 link=1235639778/9#9 date=1235899433
    Looking at the comparison, the Cunhill would be around the Rocky level, which is still a good grinder
    Considering the Cunill has 60mm burr-plates against the Rockys 50mm and comes in at quite a lot less than the Rocky in price, I think the Cunill represents excellent value by comparison.... 8-)

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    I would recommend the Tranquillo over the Rocky. A few years ago there was an issue with a batch of tranquillos but since then there has not been a n issue as far as I know.

    I have installed tow or three of these in low volume cafes, they seem to keep on going. There is an advantage over the roacky in that the tranquillo has a timed dose. It seems to be a little less accurate than the K3 and a little noisier but I havent had any reall complaints about them and have never had to get one fixed.

    They are also shorter than the K3 as well as half the price. I wouls still prefer a K3 but if your budget is Tranquillo you shouldnt be disappointed ec/\/xcept that theyre ugly....sorry couldnt help that.

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

    Quote Originally Posted by 737F7676757567796375100 link=1235639778/11#11 date=1236333577
    I wouls still prefer a K3 but if your budget is Tranquillo you shouldnt be disappointed ecĪpt that theyre ugly....sorry couldnt help that.
    I was going to suggest "purposeful" James.... ;D

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    WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo? - This!

    After two weeks with the Cunill Tranquilo I believe that I have identified most points where the Tranquilo clearly shows that it is not in the Compak K3 class.

    1) The manual is
    a> translated from Spanish by someone NOT speaking English, using a basic dictionary, and
    b> not intended to help the user but just written to comply with EC regulations.
    c> Where features are mentioned, minimal or no information is given on e.g. which direction to adjust a setting to increase or decrease the controlled variable.
    d> Further, some directions given are at best incomplete - at worst just WRONG.

    2) The design of the grinder requires to use a Phillips screwdriver to fix the bean hopper to the grinder (and to remove it), and a small flat blade screwdriver to change the dose time.

    3) The lids to the hopper and the dispenser, and the plate under the ground dispenser are NOT fastened in any way but just sitting loose (and perhaps increasing noise).

    4) The outlet from the dispenser is off center from where the group handle is positioned by the fork on the grinder. (Stupid error!!)

    5) The Tranquilo has 55 steps of adjustment for the grind fineness - but for espresso not more than 4 to 8 can actually be used. This means that one can easily get a good setting, but a perfect setting depends mostly on luck.

    6) Grinds will stick
    a> in the horisontal discharge chute (about 2 grams),
    b> in some nooks and crannies created by the design of the fastening of the dispenser to the grinder, and
    c> to the walls of the dispenser.
    (d> also in the works before the discharge chute?)


    This may sound like a total condemnation of the Cunill Tranquilo, but that is NOT the case; mostly because the problems are actually rather easily solved.

    1) There is enough information on the Internet to help the overcome the problems with the manual - and, in any case, this is just a temporary annoyance. *If someone is interested I can even send them a practical manual that can save most of the amount of beans and time I had to waste in order to get the grinder to work as required.

    2) Most households actually have the required screwdrivers - if not, they are cheap to buy. They will not be needed that often.

    3) If the looseness of the lids is a real problem, it can easily be solved by keeping the hand on the offending lid, or with bluetack.

    4) A good solution to this problem has been published *at
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1232767890/new

    5) This is THE problem, in my opinion. Perhaps an adjustment of the amount of coffee in the basket, or a change in the tampering practice can help. Or perhaps you will just be lucky.. *I am working on this problem since the existing published solution (removal of the block holding the adjustment wheel in place) seems a bit dangerous to me.

    6) Most grinds stuck in the dispenser will be unstuck with a firm tap. The grinds in the discharge chute are easily reached and removed, if and when required.


    One big advantage, compared to other doserless grinders, is that THERE IS NO MESS when using the Tranquilo. *My wife is very happy! *Another advantage is that the timed dose actually works very well, and is quite easy to adjust to whatever one regards as the correct value.


    I have wasted a lot of time and beans, but now the grinder is working very nicely for me; even if the time for a double espresso (in my Sunbeam 6910) is still below 23 seconds. I will try a few more roasts and bean varieties before trying seriously for the correct time for a double.

    In the end, what counts is the quality of the grind. There, the Cunill Tranquilo really shines (with some reservations still about the distance between steps). I am, provisionally, quite satisfied with the grinder. *Of course, this does not stop me from planning mods to it!

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    Re: Exactly WHAT makes a Compak K3 a better grinder than a Cunill Tranquilo?

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    keep us informed as to what mods you deem successful.
    Im very happy with my CT,.... so much so that I think at the price Ill grab a second one for the DeCaff ....

    Every day Im cleaning the CT out of espresso beans and exchanging for the wifes decaff. This also requires a setting change of grind and time . I think the the CT does its best work when you arrive at a desired setting and leave it there .

    My 2 negatives with CT are ..... Tranquillo, IT IS NOT , and the gind time is a bit slow , my double shots are 2 lots of 12 seconds on the timer...... Kills any conversation in the kitchen..!!!

    In reference to your earlier problems ...
    1 ... who needs a manual
    2 ... Just let the hopper sit there , you dont need to screw it in place. Im always removing it for the decaff shuffle.
    3 ... Hopper lid is not a problem ... hat elastic will secure it if need be , the bottom plactic plate is loose so you can clean it.
    5 .. Steep adjustment is OK ...... 25 sec pour is easliy found
    6 ... Grinds are easily brushed away from chute...

    But I would still like to know what mods you come up with.!!

    cheers
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