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    Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I will be getting some new equipment over the next month , to go with the new machine, what would be the better grinder out of the above 2.
    thanks for your input.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Hi Lozzo, apart from the Mazzer and Bez you also have the Macap M4 and M4D, Compak K3T, read the reveiws and discussions about grinders on CS, there is a wealth of info available to make your choice. I recently went through the process of choosing a new grinder, I chose the Mazzer Mini in the end, I had it on my short list with the Compak and Macap, managed to score the Mazzer at a good price so went that way, Im really happy with the grind quality of the Mini and have become accustomed to using a doser after my Rocky DL, work out what suits you and do heaps of research, whatever you choose out of these grinders it will be a great machine. ;)

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Both are very well made but the BB004 has stepped grind adjustment while Mini is stepless. Also the small doser lid on the BB004 makes it rather difficult to clean vs most other doser grinders.

    If bench space is at a premium, the BB004 is quite a lot smaller than the Mini but otherwise, of these 2, Id go with the Mini.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Im with "gm"...

    In this price range, dont limit yourself to just two options, the others "gm" listed are all terrific grinders and deserve to be considered too 8-)

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    I had the same decision to make a while ago. Also considered the Compak K3. Ended up with a Mazzer as I didnt want to end up wanting an upgrade from the bezzera later on, and I got a good deal at the time which was better than the Compak option. Very happy with it, and I know I was just trying to justify buying the Bezzera because the blue plastic looked cool. The mazzer is built to last a looooong time, not so sure about the bezzera. resale on mazzer will probably give a better percentage return too...

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Thanks for the replies all.
    I have been looking at all mentioned above via reviews & posts here.
    I need to go and see what is available here in Brisbane, i just haven`t made it away from work to get to any places.
    So far the Minin Mazzer is at the top of the list, as mentioned by doug81 i really don`t want to upgrade after this purchase of machine and grinder.
    cheers

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 57746161741B0 link=1239499089/5#5 date=1239748892
    So far the Minin Mazzer is at the top of the list, as mentioned *by doug81 i really don`t want to upgrade after this purchase of machine and grinder.
    What makes you think that it would be necessary to so-called upgrade from a Macap, Compak, etc. These are all excellent, commercial quality grinders too.... :-?

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 664B4F434E220 link=1239499089/6#6 date=1239776356
    hat makes you think that it would be necessary to so-called upgrade from a Macap, Compak, etc. These are all excellent, commercial quality grinders too.... Huh
    What i meant was i want to make the right choice be it the mazzer or one of the others mentioned, so far i have read more on the mazzer as opposed to the others, they all seem fine from what i have read. It`s going to come to what i can purchase locally, i want to support the local market and not purchase outside of brisbane unless i can`t find anything here. Sorry - i wasn`t trying to disregard the other grinders, i just need to read more. They all seem like they will fir the domestic use it will get. i just don`t want to buy another one later down the track unless i own a cafe :)

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    I have just bought a Mazzer Mini Manual, because enjoy the Mazzer Mini Electronic that we have at work and wanted to try a doser at home. I am very happy with the grind quality and adjustment and general solid build. However the chamber floors retain coffee and are quite hard to brush out and the chamber roof similarly collects bits of coffee that are hard to brush away. Also it really does throw badly to the left. I know there are mods in which you can stick bits of tape, card etc, but why should you have to do that when you buy a grinder reputed to be one of the best. Am I the only one that doesnt get it?. Or am I doing something wrong? :-?

    Ive decided not to stress about it and assume that the residual in the grinder wont be enough to affect the taste in my cup. I would suggest you look at something that sweeps better and drops the coffee straighter, if such a thing exists.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    In my opinion the Macap M4 is equipped with a "better" doser unit than the Mazzer Mini. If it is important to you my experience is the Macap unit doesnt throw as far to the left and there is less residual left in the bottom after sweeping out with the lever (although it will depend to a great degree on how violent you like to get with the lever*;D). I also like the feel of the lever better (the gearing / damping is different).

    Again, my opinion and experience...others may differ. Also I will say that Mals couple of posts above are spot on *:), and I agree it is a good thing to support traders in your local area as much as you can.

    Lozzo, I have sent you some further info by PM.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    I recently faced the same choice. I went for the Macap M4 in the end due to the Mazzer foibles and the Compak size. The Compak sounded great, but comes with a big hopper and is a monster size wise. I suggest finding them all at a sponsor and giving them a test run. I know this swayed me in the end towards the Macap. I must say I love my machine and Im very happy with the choice, though I am sure the others would have been a happy addition to Miss Silvia!

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    If you decide to get the Mazzer Mini with a doser (like I have), then make sure your purchase also included duct tape, a plastic cup and a small paint brush. Makes a big difference, and isnt all that time consuming once you figure out your routine...

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    I havent done the duct tape mod on my Mini yet, I took the finger guard off and use a small paint brush to clear the chute, when Ive finished using the doser I clean up with paint brush and thwack out any residual grinds, then I use my little Breville hand vacuum to clean up the grounds on tray and work area, this only takes my a few seconds and keeps the work area and grinder nice and clean.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Thanks for all the replies and info from everyone, just another Q.
    Is the difference between 50mm and 58mm burrs a big thing ?
    I can get the bb004 locally , just about everything else i will need to get online.
    The 2 left on the list are locally available bb004 or a M4 online.
    I do want a doser on the machine - i know that much.
    So the main difference i can see is capacity, seeing as though i am not going to be grinding great quantities in any 1 hr not an issue, they both have adjustable dosers, stepped or stepless isn`t really a big issue for unless i am missing something that i should know about. So i am looking at the size of the burrs now.
    any help would be greatly appreciated.
    thanks
    Jordan

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    If your in brisbane I know Veneziano (god Im starting to sound like a broken record) can supply the Mini - they dont have one on display just ask after it.

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    Thanks mate
    the only place i didn`t call this morning. :/

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B687D7D68070 link=1239499089/13#13 date=1239930350
    stepped or stepless isn`t really a big issue for unless i am missing something that i should know about.
    Stepless is what you want. stepped grinders just dont have the adjustability you need. I didnt think it would matter until I got one. Ive noticed how a small adjustment makes a big difference, and can help you get the most out of your beans. Theres a whole lotta room between those steps...

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 476B787E636B6655476564616F730A0 link=1239499089/14#14 date=1239932004
    god Im starting to sound like a broken record
    Or on commission.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    The Mazzer Mini is THE reference grinder for its class. Get on it ;)

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 417D607B717067727A71150 link=1239499089/17#17 date=1239950608
    Quote Originally Posted by 476B787E636B6655476564616F730A0 link=1239499089/14#14 date=1239932004
    god Im starting to sound like a broken record
    ...or on commission.
    ....or feeding the trolls *;D

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 774B564D474651444C47230 link=1239499089/17#17 date=1239950608
    Quote Originally Posted by 476B787E636B6655476564616F730A0 link=1239499089/14#14 date=1239932004
    god Im starting to sound like a broken record
    Or on commission.
    Wish I was *;D

    and the comment was meant to be a poke at myself. I really need to get out and check out barazi. But seriously they are a sponsor and I do know they stock the mazzer range. And yes I used to work for Veneziano, but I was really just trying to help out Lozzo because he couldnt find a local supplier of *the mazzer range.

    Diamond C have an office in Brisbane not sure if this is just corporate or a show room (hopefully the latter - can anyone confirm) *as they are currently rebuilding their site. Im coming up for a grinder upgrade soon and want to check out the compak range

    Edit: Sorry I gave the impression I worked for barazi I meant Veneziano :-[ . fixed

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 06253030254A0 link=1239499089/0#0 date=1239499089
    I will be getting some new equipment over the next month , to go with the new machine, what would be the better grinder out of the above 2.
    thanks for your input.

    Go the Mazzer Grinder Lozzo

    If still deciding dont overlook at the Macap M4 or M4D

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 212A30227D74450 link=1239499089/16#16 date=1239950128
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B687D7D68070 link=1239499089/13#13 date=1239930350
    stepped or stepless isn`t really a big issue for unless i am missing something that i should know about.
    Stepless is what you want. stepped grinders just dont have the adjustability you need. I didnt think it would matter until I got one. Ive noticed how a small adjustment makes a big difference, and can help you get the most out of your beans. Theres a whole lotta room between those steps...
    At this quality level of grinder, youre NOT talking about HUGE step differences you know. The step changes are actually very small indeed and make it a very simple matter to dial in immediately from any other setting you were on previously and this is NOT easy to do with a micro-metrical adjustment system or the Mazzer stepless, in my opinion. An important consideration if you enjoy brewing coffee using several different brew methods, as I do ;) ....

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F52565A573B0 link=1239499089/22#22 date=1240142173
    this is NOT easy to do with a micro-metrical adjustment system or the Mazzer stepless, in my opinion.
    Mal, i would have disagree with this somewhat :-*

    The mazzer stepless system has numbers on its adjusting collar (set about an inch apart), which could be used as a guide for different grind settings (e.g. 1 for turkish, 2 for espresso etc) but in reality, these numbers wont align with the correct grind for different brewing forms. would it then be that hard to stick a small label on the adjusting collar to indicate approximately the right grind for different brewing styles? i cant see that as being more difficult than have a stepped grinder with some numbers on it.
    for example, i recently played with my chemex paper filter and found that somewhere betwene 4 and 5 yielded some nice results in the cup. wasnt that hard to remember for moi.

    And the mazzer collar doesnt need much in the way of turns to achieve a wide range of coffee particle sizes (as opposed to my old iberital challenge, which was a big, and im talking BIG pain in the pants to adjust between say espresso grind and french press grind - serious risk of rsi there folks)

    Aaron

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Thanks for everyones help. I finally made a decision.
    i have ordered a Macap M4 from Attilio at CosmoreXCofffee.
    Can`t wait for it to arrive.
    thanks again
    Jordan

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    good onya lozzo

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 55484C494242270 link=1239499089/23#23 date=1240197441
    Quote Originally Posted by 7F52565A573B0 link=1239499089/22#22 date=1240142173
    this is NOT easy to do with a micro-metrical adjustment system or the Mazzer stepless, in my opinion.
    Mal, i would have disagree with this somewhat *:-*
    Why am I not surprised Aaron ;D

    Im talking about my own personal experiences with the machines being discussed so can only offer my experiences and opinions. Doesnt make what Ive said any less valid...

    Mal.

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    Re: Mazzer mini manual or Bezzera BB004?

    Quote Originally Posted by 53706565701F0 link=1239499089/24#24 date=1240203990
    Thanks for everyones help. I finally made a decision.
    i have ordered a Macap M4 from Attilio at CosmoreXCofffee.
    Can`t wait for it to arrive.
    thanks again
    Jordan
    Wise choice *
    Cant go wrong with a Macap M4 Jordan
    I am sure you got a good deal from Attilio

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