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    Hi everyone,

    Great site and forum. Ive referred to it in the past before deciding on my first espresso machine setup and am quite happy with the choice.

    I ended up getting a Gaggia Classic & Sunbeam EM0480 grinder. I was pretty tempted by the Rancillio Silvia and Rocky but found myself looking at better and better machines till I was over the $2500 mark!

    The combo makes awesome coffee (my current coffee of choice is DiBella Felici) but cant get the shots to be long enough ie 30sec, and this is even with hard tamping & grinder on the finest setting most of the time).

    Ive heard there is some kind of mod you can do with a thin plastic washer somehow but cant find any information. Was hoping someone here may be able to shed some light on it.

    A mate mentioned he bypassed the safety interlock that stops it operating when the hopper is off - meaning it worked when it was off the scale.

    Thanks,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Welcome to CS.

    The washers are metal not plastic.

    If the grinder is still under warranty ring Sunbeam and ask them for some.

    If not, pull the grinder apart and find the existing washers, under the top burr, and go to a hardware store and buy some identical ones.

    Youll need to add a washer or two to achieve a finer grind.

    How long are your shots?
    Single or double basket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0D6738232D4A0 link=1256346023/0#0 date=1256346023
    Ive heard there is some kind of mod you can do with a thin plastic washer somehow but cant find any information. *Was hoping someone here may be able to shed some light on it. *

    Just do some searching in teh grinder section..

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1138058473

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    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1183436456

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    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1207446286/6#6

    As starters.. There is even a SB document / attachment as to replacing teh washers... See here; http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1244882145/4#4



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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Thanks guys, will try that out. Didnt realise there were a few replies here.

    The shots are double basket (i have had zero luck with the single basket as i can never get the handle in place and seems you have to have a bigger gap at the top than with the double).

    Shot time seems to vary maybe 10-20sec. Not overly concerned if they are not exactly 30, but if i go finer Im hoping i dont need to tamp it as hard as it will just used more coffee?

    THanks for the tips!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69035C47492E0 link=1256346023/3#3 date=1256849156
    Thanks guys, will try that out. *Didnt realise there were a few replies here.

    The shots are double basket (i have had zero luck with the single basket as i can never get the handle in place and seems you have to have a bigger gap at the top than with the double).

    Shot time seems to vary maybe 10-20sec. *Not overly concerned if they are not exactly 30, but if i go finer Im hoping i dont need to tamp it as hard as it will just used more coffee?

    THanks for the tips!
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    There is even a SB document / attachment as to replacing teh washers... *See here; http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1244882145/4#4
    I had a look at the last link and seems like its a newer fix than the DIYs above?

    Called Sunbeam today however the customer service rep was pretty short in saying that its because the basket isnt in place properly but find that hard to believe, but then said theyd send out the washers anyway.. He also said newer machines would have the washers in (since a few years ago) so hard to know but wll put some in when they show up.

    Cant really complain for the money but could have been a lot better machine with a bit more attention in the design. I suppose they manufacture to a price, and it does give machines 2-3x the price a bit of an upset.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C1649525C3B0 link=1256346023/5#5 date=1257163859
    I had a look at the last link and seems like its a newer fix than the DIYs above?
    No; its identical.
    Sunbeam produced the document long after we worked out what the problem was.

    I have one of those grinders but mine was made a few years ago when the quality control was better.

    These days you might get one or two or even no washers with one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C1649525C3B0 link=1256346023/5#5 date=1257163859
    I suppose they manufacture to a price, and it does give machines 2-3x the price a bit of an upset.
    I disagree.
    I have several other grinders.

    Have you compared the 0480 side by side with another grinder?

    Even though CSers will say its the cheapest acceptable espresso grinder, its still noisy, messy and the grind can be uneven.

    I bought another grinder fairly quickly after using it for just a few weeks as my grinder at work.

    I recently bought a Kyocera hand powered grinder and it does at least as good a job as the Sunbeam.
    However its quieter and not messy.

    If you dont mind taking a bit longer to grind by hand its an option at the cheap end of the grinder market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F154A515F380 link=1256346023/5#5 date=1257163859
    Called Sunbeam today however the customer service rep was pretty short in saying that its because the basket isnt in place properly
    Not sure what they mean... But if ya not using fresh beans etc and using supermarket beans or beans from other so called franchises... They that will also be a cause... They are often stale and thus rip rather than grind and you have to go super fine to get close... Not the grinder but the beans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 013D203B313027323A31550 link=1256346023/6#6 date=1257165432
    I disagree.
    I have several other grinders.

    Have you compared the 0480 side by side with another grinder?
    Hi, no not with this machine.. I had a small delongi grinder which i sold as apparently it wouldnt have been good enough.

    I do agree it is messy, but still prefer doserless as I only use the machine once a day in the morning (or a couple of times on the weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by 143B32302718343B34323038303B21550 link=1256346023/7#7 date=1257165450

    Not sure what they mean... But if ya not using fresh beans etc and using supermarket beans or beans from other so called franchises... *They that will also be a cause... * They are often stale and thus *rip rather than grind and you have to go super fine to get close... Not the grinder but the beans...
    I have noticed it comes out better with real fresh beans but still isnt too bad with beans a few weeks old. I am using DiBella beans from the main roasting house up here..

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Quote Originally Posted by 09633C27294E0 link=1256346023/8#8 date=1257193849
    I do agree it is messy, but still prefer doserless as I only use the machine once a day in the morning (or a couple of times on the weekend.
    I grind into an old metal jug and now have almost zero mess (helped reduce clumping as well).

    This solution works well for me beacuse I only put the amount of beans in the hopper that I want to grind at that time. If you were using a full hopper it would be a guess as when to stop grinding.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    I got the washers from Sunbeam and put an extra one in.

    However for some reason its very very course now (worse than salt), wondering what went wrong.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006A352E20470 link=1256346023/10#10 date=1257456201
    I got the washers from Sunbeam and put an extra one in.

    However for some reason its very very course now (worse than salt), wondering what went wrong.

    Cheers,
    With an extra washer placed under teh bottom burr - It should not get courser .... Pure physics.

    However if you have not re seated the bottom or top burr correctly then it can cause problems..

    Always start course and slowly go finer... If you start fine and teh burrs touch you can stuff them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09262F2D3A052926292F2D252D263C480 link=1256346023/11#11 date=1257459927

    With an extra washer placed under teh bottom burr - It should not get courser .... Pure physics.

    However if you have not re seated the bottom or top burr correctly then it can cause problems..

    Always start course and slowly go finer... If you start fine and teh burrs touch you can stuff them.
    I know what you mean, it should be finer but dont know why its stuffed.

    Is it normal for the coarse adjuster to be off the scale on the course end when you turn it? i thought it stopped at max so perhaps something isnt put back properly but need to sort it out!

    should have spent a bit more and got a rocky.

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 442E716A64030 link=1256346023/12#12 date=1257501717
    Quote Originally Posted by 09262F2D3A052926292F2D252D263C480 link=1256346023/11#11 date=1257459927

    With an extra washer placed under teh bottom burr - It should not get courser .... Pure physics.

    However if you have not re seated the bottom or top burr correctly then it can cause problems..

    Always start course and slowly go finer... If you start fine and teh burrs touch you can stuff them.
    I know what you mean, it should be finer but dont know why its stuffed.

    Is it normal for the coarse adjuster to be off the scale on the course end when you turn it? *i thought it stopped at max so perhaps something isnt put back properly but need to sort it out!

    should have spent a bit more and got a rocky.

    Thanks again!
    They are all different... tow of mine were such that I was 5 clicks above the course MAX for plunger and at about 20 for a great espresso..

    It does not matter a hoot... * It is about getting the grind size right and that takes a little skill as it depends on the beans, how fresh / stale and the way you tamp and dose...... *2 + 2 = 5 where 5 = great coffee...

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Ill have to take a photo, its not a matter of too fine or course i know how to adjust that for the time, but im getting massive grinds and there is something wrong (not just the normal adjustments).

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 600A554E40270 link=1256346023/14#14 date=1257505602
    Ill have to take a photo, its not a matter of too fine or course i know how to adjust that for the time, but im getting massive grinds and there is something wrong (not just the normal adjustments).

    Cheers,
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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Quote Originally Posted by 47686163744B67686761636B636872060 link=1256346023/15#15 date=1257508002

    Oh.... *That does not sound good.. Return and Exchange *;) *
    I was ready to take it back to the shop but had a look at it again this morning, and realised the basket/top burr wasnt seated properly.

    Perhaps it never was as it sits too high if you put the top burr (basket) in after the housing is in place however the basket screws in and sits lower if you put in in the housing before you fit the housing the housing back onto the base..

    Is that correct? Hope it makes sense but i could never lift the basket out with the small handle without taking off the top burr housing well..

    So seems like everything is ok now, goes quite fine but will need to play with the grind now. seems to use a lot more beans on fine :-/ or dont i need to tamp as hard or put as much in?

    One other thing, do you start timing the shot as soon as you hit the button or once it starts coming out?

    Thanks,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Quote Originally Posted by 452F706B65020 link=1256346023/16#16 date=1257548981
    Quote Originally Posted by 47686163744B67686761636B636872060 link=1256346023/15#15 date=1257508002

    Oh.... *That does not sound good.. Return and Exchange *;) *
    I was ready to take it back to the shop but had a look at it again this morning, and realised the basket/top burr wasnt seated properly. *

    Perhaps it never was as it sits too high if you put the top burr (basket) in after the housing is in place however the basket screws in and sits lower if you put in in the housing before you fit the housing the housing back onto the base.. *

    Is that correct? *Hope it makes sense but i could never lift the basket out with the small handle without taking off the top burr housing well..

    So seems like everything is ok now, goes quite fine but will need to play with the grind now. *seems to use a lot more beans on fine *:-/ or dont i need to tamp as hard or put as much in?

    One other thing, do you start timing the shot as soon as you hit the button or once it starts coming out?

    Thanks,
    1: Top burr not seated correctly = Would suggest that there could be any number of answers...

    2: As per other posts.. It is a balancing act... Course grinds needs more tamp pressure - Fine usually needs less.

    As stated before. SB sweet spot / 5 cent piece test to get ya level correct and then playing with teh grind and tamp to get ya pour correct and to maintain the settings ie. Gauge and dose level.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 58777E7C6B547877787E7C747C776D190 link=1256346023/17#17 date=1257549886
    As stated before. SB sweet spot / 5 cent piece test to get ya level correct and then playing with teh grind and tamp to get ya pour correct and to maintain the settings ie. Gauge and dose level.



    Be aware there will be lots of PEBFAG Wink
    Dont know what is meant by this.. bit of a noob and not up with the coffee lingo yet.

    Will have to look into the 5c piece test.

    Just dont know if the basket is meant to go in before or after the housing is in place, instructions may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 761C435856310 link=1256346023/18#18 date=1257550341
    Quote Originally Posted by 58777E7C6B547877787E7C747C776D190 link=1256346023/17#17 date=1257549886
    As stated before. SB sweet spot / 5 cent piece test to get ya level correct and then playing with teh grind and tamp to get ya pour correct and to maintain the settings ie. Gauge and dose level.



    Be aware there will be lots of PEBFAG Wink
    Dont know what is meant by this.. bit of a noob and not up with the coffee lingo yet.

    Will have to look into the 5c piece test.

    Just dont know if the basket is meant to go in before or after the housing is in place, instructions may be wrong.
    SB = Sunbeam

    Sweet spot is where the needle should be on teh gauge... They are only a guide and every machine is different.. Thus you can NOT go off what some one else gets. You need to know your machine...

    Also start ya shot from the time ya press the button..

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Thanks for the explanations, can be a lot of user errors haha ;D

    Not really a bad machine for $160 but the quality control seems a bit poor, and makes a hell of a mess. The included tamping mat is pointless using it as grinds come out and go everywhere, but ok if you use it on the bench.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Ive just bought one of these grinders. When I first put together, beans would not grind at all, the motor would get very hot and I could smell burning.... Called Sunbeam and they mentioned to pull apart, clean and try again..This is a brand new unit, was my response. Shouldnt it work straight out of the box??

    Anyway, I did as she advised. When I reset the basket in the grinder, I found the arrow and the line had lined up but could twist in place so left it.. Dont know if this is the right thing to do.. theres no mention in the manual.

    So I put beans in, its now working, BUT now I find the finest I can get is extremely course like sand. When I compared to preground shopping beans there is a huge difference.

    To compare, I have tried a espresso with the preground shop beans and to my amazement I get crema! I would expect the fresh stuff to be alot better

    So anyway, back to replace the unit this morning. I have noticed that the basket is set the same way as the previous ones, i.e with the basket and machine not lined up. This was the same case as last time, so now Im reluctant to use it until I know this is correct. Are everyone elses grinders basket and burrs lined up this way??

    also to note.. this grinder now comes with a silicon sleeve to put over the spout to minimise mess.. Works quite well :-)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    how long is the silicon sleeve? i may see if i can find something at bunnings, as long as there is still enough clearance to grind into the group handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E045B404E290 link=1256346023/22#22 date=1257561293
    how long is the silicon sleeve? *i may see if i can find something at bunnings, as long as there is still enough clearance to grind into the group handle.
    Just get a 90 20mm pvc elbow and cut in the middle..

    Been done many times and lots of pics posted on CS.

    Search the grinder section..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 66494042556A46494640424A424953270 link=1256346023/23#23 date=1257561718
    Quote Originally Posted by 6E045B404E290 link=1256346023/22#22 date=1257561293
    how long is the silicon sleeve? *i may see if i can find something at bunnings, as long as there is still enough clearance to grind into the group handle.
    Just get a 90 20mm pvc elbow and cut in the middle..

    Been done many times and lots of pics posted on CS.

    Search the grinder section..
    dont know what that is do you mean 90deg bend? just measured it and would need something 25mm dia. to sit over the top of the spout. will have a look at bunnings, but nothing came up under a quick search.

    May even be in the box will have to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 016B342F21460 link=1256346023/24#24 date=1257563926
    Quote Originally Posted by 66494042556A46494640424A424953270 link=1256346023/23#23 date=1257561718
    Quote Originally Posted by 6E045B404E290 link=1256346023/22#22 date=1257561293
    how long is the silicon sleeve? *i may see if i can find something at bunnings, as long as there is still enough clearance to grind into the group handle.
    Just get a 90 20mm pvc elbow and cut in the middle..

    Been done many times and lots of pics posted on CS.

    Search the grinder section..
    dont know what that is do you mean 90deg bend? *just measured it and would need something 25mm dia. to sit over the top of the spout. *will have a look at bunnings, but nothing came up under a quick search.

    May even be in the box will have to check.
    Yes - 90deg bend? and 25mm

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Will do thanks.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    so Im assuming this grinder should work out of the box with no adjustments to the burr?? whats a good grind setting to start on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58777E7C6B547877787E7C747C776D190 link=1256346023/25#25 date=1257565331
    Yes - *90deg bend? and 25mm
    Bunnings have clear silicon tubes 70mm long that would do the trick, and look a lot better than a white pvc pipe.. I bought the wrong one (25mm) but the 20mm would probably work.

    Should just hit up sunbeam for one ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 660C534846210 link=1256346023/29#29 date=1257715528
    Quote Originally Posted by 58777E7C6B547877787E7C747C776D190 link=1256346023/25#25 date=1257565331
    Yes - *90deg bend? and 25mm
    Bunnings have clear silicon tubes 70mm long that would do the trick, and look a lot better than a white pvc pipe.. I bought the wrong one (25mm) but the 20mm would probably work.

    Should just hit up sunbeam for one *;)

    YES..

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Getting one sent out, fairly good support Sunbeam have going on there. *Dont know why youd bother painting a PVC pipe as it would still look crap. Not sure about static its just to direct the grinds from going everywhere..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1E742B303E590 link=1256346023/31#31 date=1257761806
    Not sure about static
    AM is sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C2679626C0B0 link=1256346023/31#31 date=1257761806
    Dont know why youd bother painting a PVC pipe as it would still look crap.
    PVC plain or painted looks better than clear tubing and

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F637E656F6E796C646F0B0 link=1256346023/32#32 date=1257771006
    Quote Originally Posted by 1E742B303E590 link=1256346023/31#31 date=1257761806
    Not sure about static
    AM is sure.

    Trust me... The static is the issue... Looks... Well...

    Had many things in life that looked good.... But give me performance any day...

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder not fine enough - possible to mod?

    Will see how the sunbeam one goes when the send it out.

    Not too fussed, it doesnt make as much mess since adding the washer and dont want to get too obsessed with this so should be fine :)



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