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    Hey there everyone

    First post.....also first experience with a Silvia and Rocky combo which I picked up 2 hours ag0 ;D

    Does anyone have any advice on the best grind setting for the Rocky?

    Any other tips on the grinder/dose would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Cheers
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    Re: Brand new Rocky - Advice on best settings

    the numbers on the grinder are reference only really, they may not be the same on any 2 grinders....

    Q1 what issue are you having? (eg fast pour etc)
    Q2 what beans are you using? where from how old?

    welcome to CS, your just down the road from me.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 484C46171C14250 link=1268653543/0#0 date=1268653543
    Hey there everyone

    First post.....also first experience with a Silvia and Rocky combo which I picked up 2 hours ag0 ;D

    Does anyone have any advice on the best grind setting for the Rocky?

    Any other tips on the grinder/dose would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Cheers
    Mike
    How long is a piece of string...

    2 + 2 = 5 *(where 5 = good coffee) But, someone said to me the other day.. *I dropped a whole lot of other 2s.


    Coffee is not that simple and there are so many variables.. No two coffee machines or two grinders are the same..

    1: Where are you getting ya beans from ?

    2: Where is ya Zero on the grinder

    3: Do you use a click clack lid on the rocky

    As for the Silvia.. Some say it is simple to use.. I could never get it down right...

    Use the *Advanced search feature and also do some reading in the Grinder section on the Rocky and in the *500 - 1500 section... Lots of Silvia users in there.

    At this stage... It will be the beans and you *;)

    If you got from a sponsor... Then go back and get some training.. They usually provide..

    If there is a CSér around and local... They*have been known to help out *;)



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    Welcome Mike.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    As mentioned above, dont worry too much about the absolute setting as these numbers are just for relative reference only.

    What you are aiming for, is ground coffee that feels like table salt when rubbed between the fingers. This is a good starting point but only one variable out of many that you will need to iron out over time, with practice, so as to be able to pour excellent coffee on a consistent basis. Youve got a very good combo there and that is going to help an awful lot.

    This is a good place to start.... http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide-skills.html and will make for good reading as you continue to progress along the journey towards achieving coffee nirvana. Its all great fun though... :)

    All the best,
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    Re: Brand new Rocky - Advice on best settings

    Thanks for the advice everyone.

    So what led me to ask, the manual states the Rocky is set at a suggested setting, however someone twisted it when we were unpacking it so I wanted to go back to the factory setting and go from there.

    My first few shots I would say that the pour is VERY fast and the coffee is very watery.

    I moved it from 30 where it was set to 18 and already thats made a massive difference!! The grind was starting to look a bit lumpy, it was certainly darker and thicker. I might keep pulling it back and see how I go.

    The coffee is a new bag of Giancarlo beans from Grinders where I got the machine. Happy to play with this blend until I get used to the machine

    Mike


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    well you might want to consider fresher beans to get the best out of your great machine. fresh beans will be better again and normally will need a slightly coarser grind than old stuff

    there a couple of roasters in the area
    bay city roasters kind and "the source" in mosman

    plenty of beans also for sale in Brown bean right here also


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    Re: Brand new Rocky - Advice on best settings

    Absolutely will be on the hunt for a great blend.

    I figured it may take me a few bags to get used to the grind, dose, and the machine itself.

    Just need to slow the pour down as it seemed so fast so looks like it def was the grind

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43474D1C171F2E0 link=1268653543/4#4 date=1268692816
    Thanks for the advice everyone.

    So what led me to ask, the manual states the Rocky is set at a suggested setting, however someone twisted it when we were unpacking it so I wanted to go back to the factory setting and go from there.

    My first few shots I would say that the pour is VERY fast and the coffee is very watery.

    I moved it from 30 where it was set to 18 and already thats made a massive difference!! *The grind was starting to look a bit lumpy, it was certainly darker and thicker. *I might keep pulling it back and see how I go.

    The coffee is a new bag of Giancarlo beans from Grinders where I got the machine. *Happy to play with this blend until I get used to the machine

    Mike
    You will need to find the true ZERO... Read teh manual..

    Then; from my experience with the Rocky, it could be between a setting of 5 to 12 depending and any number of issues.. Beans being the most significant contributor.

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    Will spend more time with it tonight.

    Cheers, thanks

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    My pennys worth:

    1. You dont have to find absolute zero. The true 0 will be around -1 to -3. *The scale is not set to absolute 0 as that would be the death of the burrs.

    2. If you wish I can send photos of finding absolute 0 but did does mean taking off the bean container and any breakage would not be covered by warranty.

    3. Old and wiser, *I worked with the scales around the base of the bean holder and knew there is a built in margin of safety.
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    4. So find the grind that gives you the feeling of table salt (as mentioned previously and around two shots from a double basket 2 x30mls in ±25sec). Then fine tune to taste. *Be aware that it may be anywhere between say 12 and 5. *I started with around 10 but ended up around 6. *I think the burrs need time to settle in.

    5. Dont worry if others are grinding at different units. *But if you want try around 10. *You will find that your machine will have its own setting and you will move this up or down according to the bean and the taste you want.

    6. If you have a doserless rocky you may want to use a skewer to break up the clumps in the filter basket as this will make a sweeter taste and help get the results you want. The clumps are a doserless hazard. Further information about this is available.

    7. The espresso machine can only deal with what it is given - thus the grind/grinder is the source of all goodness. *Rock is a good grinder

    I hope some of this is helpful, all the best
    David

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    Awesome info David !!!

    I do have doserless as I did not want to store coffee in the doser. I did notice that when I moved it to about 18 today, it did start to get a bit lumpy so I will def use your hint.

    Looks like a lot of playing tonight.

    Thanks everyone, really appreciate all the responses!!

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by 39283034243C5D0 link=1268653543/9#9 date=1268701432
    1. You dont have to find absolute zero. The true 0 will be around -1 to -3. *The scale is not set to absolute 0 as that would be the death of the burrs.
    You both correct and wrong..

    Absolute True zero is when the burrs touch and this; if done correctly will not damage the burrs and is the way many grinders are set up. Thus read the manual...

    I have seen true Zero any where on teh markings.. Markings are only indicators and are different on every system, even new ones.

    I should have said..

    Adjust until the stop is engaged, and then move up 5 to 10 steps and depending on beans ect it should put you in teh ball park..


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    Hello mic291 and welcome.

    Afraid the very best advice is for you to refer all your questions to the retailer who sold you the machine. Good retailers help their clients to get going right from the start :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E7A6D7B60574B676E6E6D6D080 link=1268653543/12#12 date=1268705810
    Hello mic291 and welcome.

    Afraid the very best advice is for you to refer all your questions to the retailer who sold you the machine. *Good retailers help their clients to get going right from the start :)

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    I agree fully.. Even commented in teh second post..

    I guess there must be a difference between Good retailers and those just selling a product of a sales sheet OR the users just forget to ask nicely ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 536770667D4A567A73737070150 link=1268653543/12#12 date=1268705810
    ello mic291 and welcome.

    Afraid the very best advice is for you to refer all your questions to the retailer who sold you the machine.Good retailers help their clients to get going right from the start

    Regardz,
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    Hi Attilio,

    with all due respect, your above statement, whilst probably true is counter productive and not very helpful. As you may already know this is a forum, and a forum is where people get together with a common interest to discuss issues and problems they are having, to hopefully get some answers.

    I recently posted a similar topic and you came up with the same line as above - and it gets tiring to listen to. My retailer is a site sponsor, and a damn good one and I can pop in there anytime I want for advice - but its 45 min drive to get there! So sometimes people will post simple questions on coffeesnobs as there may be an easy solution. This is the whole point of having a forum. Without these questions, there is NO COFFEESNOBS, and without coffeesnobs you have less business, so lighten up a bit.

    Youre absolutely right, the OP would have done a lot better to buy from a reputable retailer with good aftersales support (eg like the bulk of our site sponsors). Unfortunately they may have bought elsewhere, but we can still help them out with advice - otherwise you risk constricting this forum and only helping customers who have bought from site sponsors. Last time I checked coffeesnobs was still an open forum dedicated to help people in the pursuit of coffee perfection, not just a patsy to site sponsors.

    Please dont take this the wrong way. I totally agree with you. Why should the dodgy retailer take the spoils, only for us to clean up his mess, but its still counter productive to the purposes of this forum and a little decent advice now may see the OP make better decisions in the future.

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    I feel bad for posting this....

    Similar to the post from Bennet, I can go back to the retailer, no issues at all. The manual also states what to do....

    I guess I was trying to find out peoples recommendations as opposed to "factory recommendations" which can at times be wildly different.

    I will try all recommendations, including going to zero, adjusting as per the specs, use everyones tips and go from there.

    Thanks again

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3D3933626961500 link=1268653543/15#15 date=1268708665
    I will try all recommendations, including going to zero, adjusting as per the specs, use everyones tips and go from there.

    Thanks again

    Mike

    This is by far the best and easiest method
    Its the method I use as well

    Also note every machine has its own sweet spot its up to you to find it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0E0A00515A52630 link=1268653543/15#15 date=1268708665
    I feel bad for posting this....

    Similar to the post from Bennet, I can go back to the retailer, no issues at all. *The manual also states what to do....

    I guess I was trying to find out peoples recommendations as opposed to "factory recommendations" which can at times be wildly different.

    I will try all recommendations, including going to zero, adjusting as per the specs, use everyones tips and go from there.

    Thanks again

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by 220D0406112E020D0204060E060D17630 link=1268653543/2#2 date=1268654002
    How long is a piece of string...

    2 + 2 = 5 *(where 5 = good coffee) But, someone said to me the other day.. *I dropped a whole lot of other 2s.


    Coffee is not that simple and there are so many variables.. No two coffee machines or two grinders are the same..

    1: Where are you getting ya beans from ?

    The issue is that we still do not know what beans your using and it is almost impossible to advise how to set a Rocky and Silvia up with out lots of extra info..

    Your thinking its all in the Rocky at the moment. However it will be a combination of other things as well. *Had you done some training */ hands on and or had a background in coffee it would help others to help you.

    As it it is, every one is making assumptions and getting only minimal data / info to work from. *Doubt that too many of us*have esp or can meditate over to your place and watch..

    At the end of the day it will come down to BEANS and the USER.

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    Dont worry about our in-fighting Mike.... I had a laugh

    your on the right track now

    1. find you zero point (with grinder off)
    2. wind up about 8 points
    3. grind a nice double, use the double basket, it makes better coffee easier
    4. make sure your dosing and tamping to just below the shower screen (search CS / google 5 cent rule) so you have dosed correctly
    5 make a shot and see what happens
    6. adjust grind to make better (change one thing at a time)
    7. maybe adjust tamp / dose if needed

    8. buy some nice fresh beans :)


    only one more Q from me.
    You are fully aware on how to fill your boiler arent you? and to make sure it is refilled after a couples of shots / steaming right....
    just asking to make sure.....

    and most of all, have fun it takes a few kgs of coffee to really get into the swing of things :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6A666F62626B070 link=1268653543/18#18 date=1268710076
    1. find you zero point (with grinder off)

    NO !!! ... never with ya grinder off...

    The Rocky and others that use this style of BURR set; should never have the burrs wound down to touch, when OFF...

    If you over tighten or are really touching and bump a switch and turn it on; you will stuff the burrs and may be even blow the motor.

    You have it on and SLOWLY adjust down... You will hear the very light chirp as the outer ring / land start to touch... *THAT is ya ZERO.. *The actual cutting edges are not touching at this stage..

    Then proceed to back off to where you think your setting is and then mark ya ZERO.

    Here is some one trying to work out not only a Zero, but also teh fact that there is slop in the thread and that the burrs may not be seated correctly. Have to do it when ya change burrs.. Other than that, it is usually good unless ya get a stone or other crap in ya beans.

    After teh Thread tape and Si tubing mod, my last two came up a treat...

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPT5KDRmH-U&feature=related[/media]

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    That video clip is a really good find AM. Think Ill make it a Sticky.... 8-)

    Would you mind adding the steps required of a newbie to get to this point and then reassembly after the real Zero has been established? I havent had my Rocky for a number of years now and the memory aint what it used to be..... :(

    Thanks mate :)

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    Given all that has been said above--my Rocky worked well when set between 4 and 5--and I never re-set the zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E43474B462A0 link=1268653543/20#20 date=1268722260
    That video clip is a really good find AM. Think Ill make it a Sticky.... 8-)

    Would you mind adding the steps required of a newbie to get to this point and then reassembly after the real Zero has been established? I havent had my Rocky for a number of years now and the memory aint what it used to be..... :(

    Thanks mate :)

    Mal.
    Err plagerised and I had to find out how to do it my self *;D

    But I must admit; like many things Assumptions can get in the way and with out technical background, some do not understand why things are done..

    I will do a re edit and add some extra background. Ie. Some may roughly find Zero with the grinder off. But that actually means UN PLUGGED and unless you can spin teh motor by hand... Winding down until firm is NOT good....

    You start playing only when you know where you are.. Opps thought I was on a zebra crossing ;D - Blood cars dont stop for any one these days...

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D584F4D7D4558474B464E2A0 link=1268653543/21#21 date=1268726155
    Given all that has been said above--my Rocky worked well when set between 4 and 5--and I never re-set the zero.

    Greg
    Lucky man *;) *My first one was ok.. Then a piece of china got in with some locally roasted beans.. Supplier will remain un identified. *

    My second was second hand and needed a full refurb and new burrs and thus had to start from scratch.

    Third unit; I just did it to check..

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    Hello all,

    re my post above and the resulting replies.

    There are always two sides to a story.

    Advice *from your retailer for this kind of topic should only be a telephone call way and doesnt necessarily require a drive in except in serious circumstances ie where there must be some kind of real problem. If it was a sponsor sorry, but it should have been set on the spot before you left, unless you asked him not to, or got the grinder for the "box (usually internet) price" without service. This is the problem with going with an "internet / box only price" and I have known some clients to fish around for months not being able to work out equipment in these circumstances.

    A rocky takes no more a few minutes for someone in the know to set up roughly in the right place even when the client has not bought a machine at the same time to dial up to in the shop. It can be roughly dialled in to any other pump driven espresso machine, and can be fine tuned at home via phone if necessary...all of this especially if the client and sponsor are both CS people.

    Yes the suggestion was "coffee equipment political". We get more than our un fair share of people coming to play 200 questions, *then buying equipment on the net for a hand full of dollars less and receiving a *box with no service which we already gave for no return (or in fact, we actually do the sell on the piece of equipment, but the no service vendor gets the sale). *We dont know whether this happened here or not but it pays for all to know the other side of this business because when all is said and done....it IS business.

    mic 291, you need not feel bad. But very often people come to this and other sites asking questions that can be sorted for you, the client, in a jiffy, by your retailer, who has your (and his) best interests at heart because you chose him and he sold you the equipment in the first place. The trouble with taking 25 bits of advice here is they may confuse (sorry gents but simplicity is the key) and very often clients seem to not trust their retailer and would rather take advice in forums....when they probably should have cut to the chase early on *(trusted their supplier). *

    Lastly, I do not understand why anyone would need to find a grinders "zero point". Surely all anyone need do is find the right grind for the machine. It doesnt matter if the number is 5, 10 or 18, its arbitrary and only relevant to the one grinder, coffee machine, type of beans and user technique.

    Hoping this sheds some light on opposing point of view in public forum *:)

    Finally, to prove my bona fides in this matter and not to "scare you off" from asking the questions, mic291 I will be happy to give you the telefonic advice to get you on your way, if you telephone me tomorrow at work. *I have always given advice to CS people that called, whether they bought anything or not.

    Regardz,
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1A2E392F34031F333A3A39395C0 link=1268653543/23#23 date=1268735087
    Hello all,

    re my post above and the resulting replies.

    There are always two sides to a story.

    Advice *from your retailer for this kind of topic should only be a telephone call way and doesnt necessarily require a drive in except in serious circumstances ie where there must be some kind of real problem. If it was a sponsor sorry, but it should have been set on the spot before you left, unless you asked him not to, or got the grinder for the "box (usually internet) price" without service. This is the problem with going with an "internet / box only price" and I have known some clients to fish around for months not being able to work out equipment in these circumstances.

    A rocky takes no more a few minutes for someone in the know to set up roughly in the right place even when the client has not bought a machine at the same time to dial up to in the shop. It can be roughly dialled in to any other pump driven espresso machine, and can be fine tuned at home via phone if necessary...all of this especially if the client and sponsor are both CS people.

    Yes the suggestion was "coffee equipment political". We get more than our un fair share of people coming to play 200 questions, *then buying equipment on the net for a hand full of dollars less and receiving a *box with no service which we already gave for no return (or in fact, we actually do the sell on the piece of equipment, but the no service vendor gets the sale). *We dont know whether this happened here or not but it pays for all to know the other side of this business because when all is said and done....it IS business.

    mic 291, you need not feel bad. But very often people come to this and other sites asking questions that can be sorted for you, the client, in a jiffy, by your retailer, who has your (and his) best interests at heart because you chose him and he sold you the equipment in the first place. The trouble with taking 25 bits of advice here is they may confuse (sorry gents but simplicity is the key) and very often clients seem to not trust their retailer and would rather take advice in forums....when they probably should have cut to the chase early on *(trusted their supplier). *

    Lastly, I do not understand why anyone would need to find a grinders "zero point". Surely all anyone need do is find the right grind for the machine. It doesnt matter if the number is 5, 10 or 18, its arbitrary and only relevant to the one grinder, coffee machine, type of beans and user technique.

    Hoping this sheds some light on opposing point of view in public forum *:)

    Finally, to prove my bona fides in this matter and not to "scare you off" from asking the questions, mic291 I will be happy to give you the telefonic advice to get you on your way, if you telephone me tomorrow at work. *I have always given advice to CS people that called, whether they bought anything or not.

    Regardz,
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    Very well put. *[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

    The highlighted comment is the big issue and will be for all; until they realise.. Most settings and numbers mean little; other than a value to return to.

    A zero for me is a reference and I will talk in clicks etc rather tha numbers as numbers mean nothing... *The outcome is all relevant to so many variables that you have to understand the basics.

    People may be able to paint by numbers, where all the materials are controlled;

    BUT YOU CAN NOT MAKE COFFEE BY NUMBERS.



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    Hows the coffee mike any improvement............?

    ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5D697E68734458747D7D7E7E1B0 link=1268653543/23#23 date=1268735087

    Lastly, I do not understand why anyone would need to find a grinders "zero point". Surely all anyone need do is find the right grind for the machine. It doesnt matter if the number is 5, 10 or 18, its arbitrary and only relevant to the one grinder, coffee machine, type of beans and user technique.

    Hoping this sheds some light on opposing point of view in public forum *:)

    Finally, to prove my bona fides in this matter and not to "scare you off" from asking the questions, mic291 I will be happy to give you the telefonic advice to get you on your way, if you telephone me tomorrow at work. *I have always given advice to CS people that called, whether they bought anything or not.

    Regardz,
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    I can attest to Attilios unqualified and happy response to a CSs questions without asking for anything in return. What goes around comes around.

    I too find a grinders zero setting irrelevant. On my ancient 1970s office block looking Faema MPN commercial the marked dial just spins and spins so 28 could be zero. I screw it in til I get the right grind no worries. Burrs dont get near touching cos by that time Id be getting talcum powder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71786B786F7E6F78707C1D0 link=1268653543/26#26 date=1268739002
    I too find a grinders zero setting irrelevant. On my ancient 1970s office block looking Faema MPN commercial the marked dial just spins and spins so 28 could be zero. I screw it in til I get the right grind no worries.
    Again assumptions.. Absolute Zero is just that.. It has nothing to do with the markings; which might show "0".

    As I said before... You can not make coffee by numbers.. And at the very beginning of this topic I defined True Zero.. Not the marking..

    However; from a service point of view, if your doing it correctly, then the number should correspond to something and or be repeatable on other systems....

    However most users (not the service people) seam to be happy to Quote numbers and often bypass the experience that is offered here by many...

    Idiocracy alive and well.

    BOT.

    Ya so how is it all going mic291....

    Have ya had a good coffee yet or reverted back to instant ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0C232A283F002C232C2A28202823394D0 link=1268653543/27#27 date=1268741274
    Quote Originally Posted by 71786B786F7E6F78707C1D0 link=1268653543/26#26 date=1268739002
    I too find a grinders zero setting irrelevant. On my ancient 1970s office block looking Faema MPN commercial the marked dial just spins and spins so 28 could be zero. I screw it in til I get the right grind no worries.
    Again assumptions.. Absolute Zero is just that.. It has nothing to do with the markings; which might show "0". *

    As I said before... You can not make coffee by numbers.. And at the very beginning of this topic I defined True Zero.. Not the marking..
    Is it not what I just said?

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    Jeepers!!!! Just got home from work now and very complex list of responses!!! ;D Might go get a Nespresso !!!!! Joking of course.....

    I agree fully with the comments that the zero point means nothing and what is important is the grind for the machine and the specific beans. My original issue was that I had no idea what the original setting was after the unit was unboxed and moved to 35 or so. What I wanted to find out was a recommended setting which I was going to use as a starting point to then adjust until I find what I like.

    The advice has been great, and whilst I have not had a drink of coffee, just got home at 11:40pm after a 7am start, I cleaned the Rocky, set the zero point, moved it to 5.......and now I am ready for the morning.

    The plan over the next few days is to try various grinds and see how I go.

    The retailer gave me 6 bags of coffee so I figure I have enough to play with for the time being.

    Attilio, thanks for the offer. Might touch base as there are a few more things I need.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0F0B01505B53620 link=1268653543/29#29 date=1268744030
    Jeepers!!!! *Just got home from work now and very complex list of responses!!! ;D *Might go get a Nespresso !!!!! *Joking of course.....

    I agree fully with the comments that the zero point means nothing and what is important is the grind for the machine and the specific beans. *My original issue was that I had no idea what the original setting was after the unit was unboxed and moved to 35 or so. *What I wanted to find out was a recommended setting which I was going to use as a starting point to then adjust until I find what I like. *

    The advice has been great, and whilst I have not had a drink of coffee, just got home at 11:40pm after a 7am start, I cleaned the Rocky, set the zero point, moved it to 5.......and now I am ready for the morning.

    The plan over the next few days is to try various grinds and see how I go.

    The retailer gave me 6 bags of coffee so I figure I have enough to play with for the time being.

    Attilio, thanks for the offer. *Might touch base as there are a few more things I need.

    Cheers
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    Never too late... I am about to have another 8-)

    6 bags of coffee ???

    1: 250g or bigger ?

    2: roasted when ?

    Practice and more practice.. But remember stale beans behave differently and if ya get it all set up for stale beans... When ya get ya fresh ones ;) You will need to play again... But that is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0E071407100110070F03620 link=1268653543/28#28 date=1268741623
    Is it not what I just said?
    Sorry assumptions on my part ;)

    You and your are the ROYAL - You and Your..... Not "you" personally; other than the comments to Mic291, the rest are for general consumption.. But Not directed at any one person in particular....




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    yup 6 bags of 250gm of vacuum packed coffee. i picked 3 bags of Giancarlo and 3 bags of european style Grinders. No idea when it was packed, I have not looked

    Now I probably will never buy this coffee again, but its not bad to use whilst i practice thats for sure!!!

    I am definitely on the hunt for some great coffee, I need a tamper, want a knock box etc etc.

    Thank being said, I just want to use the thing more which is probably the most important part!!!

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    Dont know about anyone else but knowing where "real" zero was on my Rocky made for very simple indexing back to its original setting and Scale position after major strip-down and clean routines, about every three months or so.

    After reassembly, the grind setting was re-established back to where it was prior. No stuffing about wasting coffee or suffering through crap pours to dial the machine back in again. True Zero is a legitimate and handy datum point for this purpose.... 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C4842131810210 link=1268653543/31#31 date=1268746067
    yup 6 bags of 250gm of vacuum packed coffee. *i picked 3 bags of Giancarlo and 3 bags of european style Grinders. *No idea when it was packed, I have not looked

    Now I probably will never buy this coffee again, but its not bad to use whilst i practice thats for sure!!!

    I am definitely on the hunt for some great coffee, I need a tamper, want a knock box etc etc.

    Thank being said, I just want to use the thing more which is probably the most important part!!!
    Packed date is interesting... Roasted On is teh important point.

    Rule of 3 ( not coffee by numbers ... a rough guide)

    1: Green beans good for about 3 years Given lots of management issues.

    2: Roasted beans good for about 3 weeks With lots of good management.

    3: Ground beans good for about 3 min...

    So there you have it..

    Supermarket / GJ / etc good for 3 steps to the bin ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1E33373B365A0 link=1268653543/32#32 date=1268746673
    Dont know about anyone else but knowing where "real" zero was on my Rocky made for very simple indexing back to its original setting and Scale position after major strip-down and clean routines, about every three months or so.

    After reassembly, the grind setting was re-established back to where it was prior. No stuffing about wasting coffee or suffering through crap pours to dial the machine back in again. True Zero is a handy datum point for this purpose.... 8-)

    Mal.
    But Mal... Your a REAL Engineer... Not like the many Academic ones that have never gotten their hands dirty..

    Fresh_coffee is correct for the average user... 100% correct.. But for us old far75 we will never be part of the Idiocracy movement and thus the technology culture often clashes on line..

    Cause we have to know and understand it... Its in our bones. And yep, they are getting a bit powdery these days.. I think I have forgotten more than I can remember ... Doh.




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    Fair enough AM.... ;D ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76727829222A1B0 link=1268653543/31#31 date=1268746067
    I am definitely on the hunt for some great coffee, I need a tamper, want a knock box etc etc.

    Thank being said, I just want to use the thing more which is probably the most important part!!!
    your closest sponsor is Jetblack on military road, be careful while your in there as you might upgrade with all the bling they have :).

    Sibonis Coffee in Pymble roast on site if yo go that way and have *a good range of bling

    or you have to head south side for other great sponsors *

    take your group handle basket with you when tamper shopping for that nice "tight" fit

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    Thanks Maheel.....will go for a look on Saturday!!

    So to answer lasts nights question of how is the coffee.....it didnt go to plan hahaha!!

    Slept in and then I must have ground the coffee too course or packed it too tight as it wont pour now.

    Getting home at a good time tonight so will spend a few hours using up some of that free coffee!!

    Cheers
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    Hi Mic,

    Can I suggest that you view www.espressocompany.com.au/how-to.htm

    Its a great online training resource and should help you refine your technique as well as getting a better appreciation of grind v pour

    Enjoy!

    2mcm

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    Great videos

    Thanks for posting!!!

    OK seems like I went too low a number and too fine so it didnt pour

    Will keep playing - but definitely learnt heaps from all the info so thank you to everyone.

    Confirmed I want to get a great tamper and mat by the weekend thats for sure!!

    Mike

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    Too fine is actually great! :o

    You know that just right is somewhere between too fine and too coarse--and since you know what they are now, you are only a short distance from coffee heaven.

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45706765556D706F636E66020 link=1268653543/40#40 date=1268808003
    Too fine is actually great! :o

    You know that just right is somewhere between too fine and too coarse--and since you know what they are now, you are only a short distance from coffee heaven.

    Enjoy!

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    You know that just right is somewhere between too fine and too coarse--and since you know what they are now, you are only a short distance from coffee heaven.
    Still having a little shake of the ivories ;D

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    Well well......I figure I need to let everyone know how I went after ripping through 2.5 250gm bags of coffee and sipping on maybe 20 espresso shots playing tonight!!!!

    Here goes:

    1. Giancarlo Coffee from Grinders is absolute rubbish!!! It has no roasted date info, it has a use by date you cant read, and did I say its rubbish???

    2. Set the Rocky to zero by carefully adjusting whilst it was switched on until I heard the faintest metal sound. Interestingly enough, true zero read as zero

    3. Spent a long time grinding at various settings, dosing, tamp, pour a shot and test. Had quite a few situations where either I would not pour, or it would run VERY fast. In the end found the setting of 6 on the grinder to be the best

    4. Undertook a number of attempts at various dosing and tamping - again went from not being able to pour, to again being some what runney. I believe I was filling the basket WAY too much when meant it I could not pour a shot so I tested using the scoop provided and tried with about 2 full scoops - seems to pour a nice shot

    5. Spent a lot of time adding a scoop, tapping on the bench, add another scoop, tamp, pour shot and again looked at the results


    So....after all this, my learnings outside of the shit coffee I am using is I believe I have a good grind setting and what I need to work on is dosing for the two cup basket that I am using and working on my tamping.

    I def need to work out the dose for this basket and then practice tamping.

    And I am definitely getting some great beans cos did I tell you how bad this Giancarlo is?????

    Mike




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    Hi Mike,

    You may be getting some sort of result, but I suspect that its more fluke than anything....

    If you purchased your machine as a cheap box, its unlikely you will get any support and its time to pay for some training. Ultimately, you get what you pay for and a sponsor deal with training kills a bargain basement box every time. Far too many CSer ask sponsors for "your best price", rather than looking for the best deal ::)

    My advice is to meet with a sponsor. Buy, beg or sell a family member for some quality training. You need to get some understanding of how to use your grinder correctly and dose consistently.

    Throw the scoop and any other crappy plakky stuff in the machine box in the recycling where it belongs, buy a good tamper and learn how to use your machine and grinder correctly or you will find that nothing changes...until you do or something breaks...

    An hour well spent will ultimately be far more productive than trying to interpret multiple tips. ;)

    Good luck...

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    2Mcm is right... Regardless of what people may or may not think of sponsors...

    1: Ya get what ya pay for

    2: Cheep does not always mean better; even if it is the same product..

    3: After market support and free training in the basics; can never be accurately costed....

    4: Without the support... Suck it and see; is frustrating for EVERY one but the person that sold it * ::)

    Glad to hear that ya getting some advancement..

    But, do some more reading on the Silvia as jsut like the Rocky there are 101 topics, 1001 posts and like mant things. *Covers 99.9% of every problem / trick you can *think of.

    For a general all around good read.. *

    Go here http://home.surewest.net/frcn/Coffee/Coffee.html * get some hands on training and then come back and tell me and the others that we were WRONG *:D ;D ;)

    Did I say the coffee road was not paved *:D

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    Yup agree with you both.

    First I didnt get a cheap deal of the net, however I dont want to drive 40-50 minutes for training from my supplier.

    Second, I am looking at Jetblack Espresso who are less than 10 minutes from my place and will get them in for a 3.5 hour course.

    They are available in a couple of weeks, until then, I will continue to have 20 shots a day attempting to read, test, try and learn this new machine

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by 022D2426310E222D2224262E262D37430 link=1268653543/44#44 date=1268830949
    Did I say the coffee road was not paved
    Classic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 625E4358525344515952360 link=1268653543/46#46 date=1268874408
    Quote Originally Posted by 022D2426310E222D2224262E262D37430 link=1268653543/44#44 date=1268830949
    Did I say the coffee road was not paved
    Classic!
    Now I get why Ranchilio has named its grinder "Rocky"

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    Well well.....we have progress !!!

    Made two shots just now, and I have to say they are not bad. Coffee is still not my taste, but the pour was quite nice and it did have a nice consistency. My girlfriend thought it was not a bad expresso.

    Off to organise a course and some great beans.

    Thanks everyone, certainly improved massively since the other day !! ;D

    Mike



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