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    OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    The dilemma with the substandard 430 is nearly over. Hopefully nice tax regund from last year coming. Some swear by EM480 with modifications if necessary. Others say dont waste money - it is little better. BTW mortar and pestle doing fine for time.

    Big question is get 480 only to have to buy another later. Like that would ever happen. OR wait longer the get closer to perfect. No commercial ones would fit by the way.

    Penny for your all knowledgable and experienced thoughts on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 193C2A335D0 link=1268889698/0#0 date=1268889698
    Some swear by EM480 with modifications if necessary. Others say dont waste money - it is little better. BTW mortar and pestle doing fine for time.

    Big question is get 480 only to have to buy another later. Like that would ever happen. OR wait longer the get closer to perfect. No commercial ones would fit by the way.

    Penny for your all knowledgable and experienced thoughts on this one.
    Save & wait is my advice

    KK

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Actually Kosmos it is to you I was referring when I said some say wait. I am glad you picked this up. Can you give me an idea of what I will be waiting for and why.

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    I have EM0480, Compak K3 and Anfim Best grinders. *The shot quality between the Sunbeam and the more expensive grinders is quite large. *Having said that, I was very happy with the Sunbeam before getting the better grinders.

    The more expensive grinders should last a lot longer, are serviceable and should not have problems with replacement parts. *On the other hand, there are plenty of 0480s out there and I havent not heard too many people have reliability or longevity issues (unlike the EM6910).

    Bottom line is....

    Do you see yourself becoming a coffee snob? *If so, wait.
    If youre someone who is happy with very good coffee and unlikely to constantly pursue improvements in your brews, then go the Sunbeam.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Build quality and grind quality increase with price brackets (in general) so you will be happier with the results from a more expensive grinder and it will last longer. But law of diminishing returns applies so as you move up the scale the improvements get smaller and smaller.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 2603150C620 link=1268889698/2#2 date=1268890781
    Actually Kosmos it is to you I was referring when I said some say wait. I am glad you picked this up. Can you give me an idea of what I will be waiting for and why.
    Yep that was me

    Minimum entry machine with good build quality is
    1] Ranchilio Rocky
    2] Compak K3 touch

    Some other good grinders are about as well but I have not had direct experience with them

    Why would I wait
    A machine that is built well will give one good service for many years & headache free operation
    Also with fresh beans & a good cleaning regime you can expect great coffee for many years

    KK

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    MC didnt have to check gender regarding your advice. It was too perfectly male logic to be anything else. Who says things have to be common sensible ;D Having said that I do appreciate it and probably knew the answer in my own heart. I will have to come to a decision. I think I just enjoy a good coffee. I had been drinking the existing 430 grind for 2-3 years without a problem before Garrett at Pony Express introduced me to why my coffee isnt as good as his.

    On the other hand interesting to hear CJs comment about the 6910. That is whay I have and havent had a problem in the world (if you dont count sharing last weeks coffee with roach in water jug).

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Thanks KK,

    Can you give me ball park figures on those

    1] Ranchilio Rocky
    2] Compak K3 touch

    Also is there really a significant difference that I could put into beer terms for my home-brewer husband.


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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B7E68711F0 link=1268889698/7#7 date=1268893185
    Thanks KK,

    Can you give me ball park figures on those

    1] Ranchilio Rocky
    2] Compak K3 touch

    Also is there really a significant difference that I could put into beer terms for my home-brewer husband.
    Best to check with one of the sponsors like Talk Coffee - *we get special prices as CS members

    Tell hubby better equipment = better beer
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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 1F3A2C355B0 link=1268889698/7#7 date=1268893185
    Also is there really a significant difference that I could put into beer terms for my home-brewer husband.

    The 0480 is like a Carlton Draft - the Rocky is like a Coopers Pale Ale - just stay away from the xxxx - though you could always move up to a Leffe!

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    I hope to impress him this weekend with the new grind with the mortar and pestle and hope that he can taste the difference and the rest might speak for itself. He only drinks coffee at home on weekends since he leaves too early and doesnt want it late at night.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Just looked at the Talk Coffee CS Members Page and there are some K3 bargains there (not much more than a Rocky). Wont steal Chris thunder, as KK points out, get in touch with him.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Had a bit of a look. Will need to do a bit more (quite a bit more) sweet talking and batting baby blues for $600 as opposed to $200. But if you guys in your esteemed opinions reckon it is worth it I will wait.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    MAM, while it my seem counter-intuitive, the grinder is actually much more important to consistently good coffee than the machine. Save for the Rocky or Compak.

    Tell your husband it will be like the difference between a brewing kit, and your own mash--without all the trouble of mashing!

    Greg

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Thanks Greg,
    I will wait it out and get hime used to gorgeous coffee with the mortar and pestle. I really can tell the difference.

    Keep ya posted when the happy day eventually comes.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Being female allows me many things
    1. to change my mind often
    2. to make illogical decisions
    3. to have no patience or common sense at all

    Therefore I appreciate eveyones feed back and did really listen and think about it but I have finally decided.

    Being as impatient as I am, I am going to try to get my way with the 480 and enjoy reasonable improvement in preparation for a day in the fairly far future when I may get even better. I cant see anymore than a 480 for more than 4-5 years. Too long to wait with my little pestle.

    Let you know if I even have success probably around June or Christmas. Thanks again.

    Cheer Dawn

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Dawn, just as a bit of a way of thinking about it, also, is that the 0480 is only a slight step up from the 0430, just a switch on the side and the case is a bit heavier duty (stainless steel instead of plastic?)

    Other than that, the internals and the burrs are the same so if you thought the 0430 was substandard, you may not think much more of the 0480.

    Having said that, I used a 0480 for a while before I upgraded and it was quite okay for the task and definitely a lot of a step up from a mortar and pestle.

    Go with what your purse can afford at the time - the wait is not worth it unless you are going to have some more to add to the kitty in the next month or two, as far as Im concerned.

    Cheers
    Di

    PS: And I definitely agree with 1, 2 and 3 above - aint it grand being a woman and having so many get out of jail free cards!!!

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Hi Di,

    Nice to hear the feminine perspective amongst all these perfectly logical males. However, there were considerations in selecting the 480 and maybe you can stop an error (albeit female) in judgement.

    From what I read on CS about the 480 people were able to grind the coffee finer with a small improvement of a washer supplied by sunbeam themselves (with instructions)

    The main reason I am not happy with the 430 is the coarse grind. But it also would be nice to grind directly into the basket and therefore less waste and less mess. If that is a false premise then I will have to reconsider.

    The mortar and pestle takes less than a minute. It is just for the finer grinds but makes potentially and usually even more mess.

    Any advice on your experience with 480 or even 450 (not quite sure what difference is with those two) would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks Dawn

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 785F495B43300 link=1268889698/16#16 date=1268983210
    Other than that, the internals and the burrs are the same so if you thought the 0430 was substandard, you may not think much more of the 0480.
    Not sure about that.
    It is only mentioned on the Sunbeam site & manual as a burr grinder, not a conical burr grinder as the 450 & 480 are.

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    I think Di may be confusing the 0430 with the 0450?

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    Ah yes, sorry, my bad...

    In that case, the 0480 is quite a bit better than the 0430, so you should be fine.

    In relation to the 0480 needing a spacer to make it finer, it depends entirely in the grinder you buy. I bought a beauty and it was more than up to the task without any spacers, etc. So I guess what Im saying is that it is very much luck of the draw with them. Mine sat around the 14 mark without any problems at all with one up or down either side depending on the freshness of the beans. Others have had theirs at 1 and it still wasnt fine enough.

    Funnily enough, I bought my 0480 at Big W while I was waiting for special free offer one to turn up from Sunbeam.

    So Id say go with it and get the spacer if you need it. Just make sure you buy beans that are guaranteed to be fresh (ie; from one of the Sponsors or Andy in BeanBay) because if theyre not fresh, then it doesnt matter on the grinder, it will still come out yucky and you will find that you think the grinder isnt fine enough because the water is pouring through when it is just because all the oils have dried up as they are stale and the lack of oils arent providing the resistance you need to get a good pour.

    And what is the best part about being a female and a CoffeeSnob??? Not having to ask the Minister of FInance for permission to buy staff becaues you are the Minister of Finance!!! Suck eggs, boys! ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E697F6D75060 link=1268889698/20#20 date=1268989547
    And what is the best part about being a female and a CoffeeSnob???Not having to ask the Minister of FInance for permission to buy staff becaues you are the Minister of Finance!!!Suck eggs, boys!Grin Grin Grin
    ;D :( ;D :( ;D :( ;D :(

    Dont know whether to laugh or cry?

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    Unfortunately I do have to ask the minister first, but with the new taste coffee being noticed this morning using my pestle, I may have a chance.

    Cheers and thanks for all the help.

    Remember June 12th or December 25th looking good. Listen out for news

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E697F6D75060 link=1268889698/20#20 date=1268989547
    And what is the best part about being a female and a CoffeeSnob???Not having to ask the Minister of FInance for permission to buy staff becaues you are the Minister of Finance!!!Suck eggs, boys!
    Whats better than that is being a Single Coffeesnob who is selling a little coffee at his shop ;D Thank you Rudd and co for your Tax Deductability on coffee purchases 8-)

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    Yep, you win! ;)

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    I wish ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 595E5A555D574252555C3B0 link=1268889698/23#23 date=1269059245
    Thank you Rudd and co for your Tax Deductability on coffee purchases

    How directly related to the business does the purchase have to be?

    I havent looked into it because my business doesnt need anything but my brain, mouth and some stationery. If I offer clients a coffee, would this put me into the tax deductible offer thats on hand from Rudd?

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 16273029282F24293F460 link=1268889698/26#26 date=1269133242
    Quote Originally Posted by 595E5A555D574252555C3B0 link=1268889698/23#23 date=1269059245
    Thank you Rudd and co for your Tax Deductability on coffee purchases *

    How directly related to the business does the purchase have to be?

    I havent looked into it because my business doesnt need anything but my brain, mouth and some stationery. If I offer clients a coffee, would this put me into the tax deductible offer thats on hand from Rudd?
    Most likley yes (check with your accountant first)...You missed the big handouts though as they ended on 31/12/09

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    Quote Originally Posted by 015E46505B505C555556565E525D330 link=1268889698/27#27 date=1269133754
    Quote Originally Posted by 16273029282F24293F460 link=1268889698/26#26 date=1269133242
    Quote Originally Posted by 595E5A555D574252555C3B0 link=1268889698/23#23 date=1269059245
    Thank you Rudd and co for your Tax Deductability on coffee purchases *

    How directly related to the business does the purchase have to be?

    I havent looked into it because my business doesnt need anything but my brain, mouth and some stationery. If I offer clients a coffee, would this put me into the tax deductible offer thats on hand from Rudd?
    Most likely yes (check with your accountant first)...You missed the big handouts though as they ended on 31/12/09
    the basics of the ATO can be looked at by this

    1. Was the purchase made for the business needs? coffee can be a business need just like stationary etc
    2. is it used only for business and not at home in your kitchen. *

    so if you say yes to both then yes it can be considered tax deductible, if it was under $1k you can write it off in the year you buy it. if over $1k then you would depreciate it over a few years using a method from the ATO.

    * a note on point 2, if you have a home office and people come and visit and you give them coffee. then some of the cost is going to deductible (a percentage). to be "legal" you would kind of need to keep a diary like a fuel book in your work / personal use car for a while to gauge usage...

    all business related purchases can be a taxable deduction, in realty if you own a business you could buy a GS3 and write it off. you just have to comply with the "use" rule.

    this is not real tax advice, i am an accountant but you should always confirm with the ATO

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    Thank you for the advice.

    Not a home office, but if I bought a new machine would want to bring it home on weekends, so probably would have to do the percentage thing I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0435223B3A3D363B2D540 link=1268889698/29#29 date=1269137030
    bring it home on weekends
    Only for repairs, testing and practice so that might still work ;)

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Such a good info in this topic, im thinking about getting a new grider too! :D

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    Oh dear ...... you mentioned a grinder: My suggestion is get the best you can possibly afford. If you can, think a couple of upgrade steps ahead. *

    The grind is what the espresso works with:- *
    Poor grind - a struggle even with the best espresso machine
    So good in good out, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F6E7672627A1B0 link=1268889698/32#32 date=1269415336
    My suggestion is get the best you can possibly afford. If you can, think a couple of upgrade steps ahead. *

    The grind is what the espresso works with:- *
    Poor grind - a struggle even with the best espresso machine
    So good in good out, etc
    Thats the best advice that any fellow CSer can give "GGDS".... 8-)

    Have a look through these threads which will hopefully give you some idea....

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1194680556
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235531

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs by the way..... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    thanks Dumiya, Mal

    Im using Kyocera hand grinder at the moment... It give me a good grind but after a while Im sick of manual grinding..

    So Im thinking about K3T :) and that would be a "big" step up for me (money wise at leaset :D)

    Is there any sponser shop in Brissie that I can go try befor I buy?

    GGDS

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Hi Googoo,

    The only place in Brisbane that sells the Compak K3 touch is Cup Coffee at West End and they currently have one in stock. It is the silver painted version with the tall hopper.

    They do actually have a k3 touch for their own use in the shop when they make chemex coffees etc, so im sure they would be more than willing to give you a demo on that one.

    Be sure to check out the Slayer machine while youre there!

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    Thanks Rival for your input :)

    I will definately check Cup Coffer out this weekend! :D


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    Theyre open saturdays but not sundays. fyi

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    Re: OK Nearly Ready. Need Input

    Quote Originally Posted by 362D3225287C75440 link=1268889698/35#35 date=1269560919
    Hi Googoo,

    The only place in Brisbane that sells the Compak K3 touch is Cup Coffee at West End and they currently have one in stock. It is the silver painted version with the tall hopper.
    Hi GooGoo sent you through a message responding to your enquiry.

    We sell the Compak, Mazzer, Bezzera, Macap and ECA grinders and are based out of Yatala. We offer either pick up or freight services although we always prefer pick up so we can dial in your grinder with some complimentry coffee and give you some instructions on best use.


    We have a Mazzer Mini, Compak K3 Touch, Compak K6 Elite WBC and ECA Best grinder on the bench at the moment for testing.

    Good luck with your coffee journey! :)

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