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    Do I need to upgrade grinder?

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    Hi all, Im new here and pondering a coffee machine purchase.

    I have a Sunbeam 0480 and have been using it for plunger and stovetop, but now its time for a real machine.

    My question is: will the 0480 cut it for a Silvia? Im guessing it will for the 6910 (another machine option).

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    EconoMan

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Hi EM. The SB grinder will be fine. Some people have needed to make minor adjustments to make it grind fine enough, others are fine as they are from the factory.

    A better grinder will definitely give you a better shot (I noticed a big difference in going from a 0480 to a Compak K3) but the SB should be adequate.

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Thanks Mr. Junkie.

    Suppose I decide to upgrade. Everything I read on here says buy the best grinder you can afford. But what does that actually mean?

    In theory I can afford a Robur. More realistically, I dont think a K10 WBC would be completely out of the question. But they seem like overkill for 1 coffee in the morning, 2-3 on weekends?

    I cant help but think a Mazzer mini or a K3T is more the right ballpark.

    (Note, I would only be upgrading to a grinder north of $1000 if I was getting a new HX machine, thinking maybe a Giotto PP.)

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Some here will argue there is not such thing as overkill :D

    Maybe Im just shallow but I think it looks silly when the grinder is twice the height of the machine.

    I reckon youre pretty spot on with a mazzer mini or K3. You would not have to upgrade if you went to a HX machine. Thats not to say you wouldnt get improvements with a large conical but as with most things in life, there is a law of diminishing returns once you go past a certain point.

    My advice is spend $600-1000 on a grinder then get yourself a home roaster such as a Behmor or Gene Cafe.

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2C2D27342A2F35460 link=1269737879/3#3 date=1269867744
    Maybe Im just shallow but I think it looks silly when the grinder is twice the height of the machine.
    Just means you need a bigger machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by 213427232B2325333E352928460 link=1269737879/2#2 date=1269865657
    In theory I can afford a Robur. More realistically, I dont think a K10 WBC would be completely out of the question. But they seem like overkill for 1 coffee in the morning, 2-3 on weekends?
    I had a Sunbeam grinder to use with the 6910 at work.
    I quickly replaced it with a Gaggia MDF because of the Sunbeams noise and messiness.

    Neither of those grinders is in the same league as my Macap M5 at home.

    Get the best grinder you can and youll never need to upgrade.
    (The coffee will taste better too.)

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    My Kony-e makes a mockery out of the GS/3 at home but I have no regrets at all and I would confidently state that planar burr to conical made far more difference than e-61 to saturated group did...

    The K10 with K3 hopper comes in at 530mm and looks terrific as well. You could even put the super short gourmet hopper on it if you wanted to....

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Welcome to the site EconMan,

    Realistically it is worth playing around to see what you like. Most of the sponsors I have been to have machines where you can try a variety of grinders out as well on their bench. They may even have a big conical operating if they also serve wet coffee. So what not see for yourself what an Iberital Challenge (or similar), a Mazzer Mini (or similar) and a big conical taste like on the one machine. I started out with a Iberital Challenge, upgraded to a Mini and definitely tasted the difference and I am strongly considering a Kony-E as my next upgrade (even if it looks silly next to my machine).

    The beauty of making it to a site sponsor, if you live near one, means you can check it out and make your own opinion and see if the added cost is worth it. If you get a Silvia you may like to keep your grinder and than upgrade it later.

    All the best with the decision.

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 766370747C74726469627E7F110 link=1269737879/2#2 date=1269865657
    ont think a K10 WBC would be completely out of the question. But they seem like overkill for 1 coffee in the morning, 2-3 on weekends?
    No such thing as overkill ;D Maybe to help the thought process a little along the way. Assuming you are going to buy a 6910 or the slightly more fussy Silvia as they fit your budget then the 480 will be fine BUT ::)

    There is a lot to be gained by going up the grinder tree with grind quality and the resulting shot quality. A possible sideways step along the way is to buy a Kyocera or Hario Hand Grinder for well under $100 delivered to your door. These things will run rings around your 480 on consistancy and make for a great travel grinder too :) Most of the other entry to lower mid level grinders including and up to the Rocky are not that much better than the 480 in grind so all your doing is spending more $$ for a similar product.

    The other option you face is to go well up the tree into the Compak, Mazzer etc range and spend as much or more than your proposed machine. If you have that sort of budget then go for it you wont be sorry as the life of a good grinder is long and worth the $$.

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Welcome EconoMan

    I first bought a rocky ($460) to go with my Bezzera. Now 6 months down the track I have already upgraded to a Mazzer Super Jolly (retail $1250). No doubt that a WBC K10 or Robur s the end goal.

    When trying to acheive that coffee nirvana apply the coffee snob rule of what ever your budget is stretch it a little more and know that your equipment is able to produce the best shot you have ever drunk. Then its all about honing your skills to produce it.

    Will also avoid the boss from saying "but you already have a coffee grinder" "what do you mean you want to spend $8000 on a Speedster espresso machine" ;D

    Good luck

    Chester

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Xbillions. If you can afford a mazzer or macap, then there is no way you want to be using a Sunbeam.

    Silvias are a no more forgiving machine then any HX or duel boiler. If anything they are far less forgiving as they have no pre-infusion. A conical grinder would be just as worthwhile with a Silvia as it would be with an HX.

    Budgets tell the story of way people match machines. If you have approx $3000 to spend. It makes more sense to buy an HX + Macap or Mini then it does to buy a Silvia and a K10 or Kony. For usability and pleasantness HX machines blow Silvia away.

    I have been using a Silvia with a Mazzer super Jolly for about 3 years now. I honestly dont know what upgrade path I would take from here. Conical Grinder first or, HX.

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B7E6D6961696F79747F63620C0 link=1269737879/2#2 date=1269865657
    In theory I can afford a Robur. More realistically, I dont think a K10 WBC would be completely out of the question. But they seem like overkill for 1 coffee in the morning, 2-3 on weekends?
    I have a Kony.. Overkill is a relative thing, no? The real problem with some of the top-end commercial grinders require modification, such as removal of the flapper switch that turns off the grinder when the hopper is full. The chute is difficult to access otherwise, and grounds retention becomes a problem. on the other hand, big conicals RULE!

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    Economan if I were you Id be seriously considering this http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1269839023 (if its not gone already).
    The machine is a step up from the Silvia. I have the same grinder (in doser form) which matches up nicely to my Giotto.

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    Re: Do I need to upgrade grinder?

    I love the K3 touch.

    From the reviews Iíve read, the performance of the K3 is on par with the mazzer mini. The grind consistency is amazing. The real upside is the hopperlessness. Without the hopper there are less stale grinds sitting around and thereís no hopper to clean out. I grind directly into a glass at the base of the grinder, give the grind a quick mix with a stick then transfer it into the PF. I can do all this with no clumps and no spillage/mess at all.

    Good luck!



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