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    Maybe a silly question, but in terms of grind quality, are these two types of grinders even comparable? So, say a Kyocera grinder vs a Mazzer Robur, for example?

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Quote Originally Posted by 22243727242220450 link=1274445857/0#0 date=1274445857
    Maybe a silly question, but in terms of grind quality, are these two types of grinders even comparable? *So, say a Kyocera grinder vs a Mazzer Robur, for example?
    Easy answer....No way can you compare $100 to $3.5k+

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A6C7F6F6C6A680D0 link=1274445857/0#0 date=1274445857
    Maybe a silly question, but in terms of grind quality, are these two types of grinders even comparable? *So, say a Kyocera grinder vs a Mazzer Robur, for example?
    "NO"

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Quote Originally Posted by 696F7C6C6F696B0E0 link=1274445857/0#0 date=1274445857
    Maybe a silly question, but in terms of grind quality, are these two types of grinders even comparable? *So, say a Kyocera grinder vs a Mazzer Robur, for example?
    A: In what context ?

    1: quality of out put
    2: reproducibility
    3: level of Fineness
    4: Through put / hr
    5: Life expectancy
    6: cost
    7: size

    You can compare any thing ya want.. The question is WHY or what is the intended outcome of such a comparison.

    Mini Minor Vs BMP

    1: War zone OR
    2: Peak hr traffic

    CONTEXT....




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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    If these two were comparable, id be fitting a low speed k-mart drill to a kyocera and double sided taping a Mazzer badge on it for $150....home-made Robur!!!! :D

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    Hmmmm....just tried fitting my Bosch cordless driver on the top of my Hario hand grinder...and the hex nut is just a smidge too big.

    Nuts.... :-/

    Ill have to go and find my mini sockets....I think youre on to something here WSully! ;)

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Quote Originally Posted by 6779616C7A7962630D0 link=1274445857/5#5 date=1274478297
    Hmmmm....just tried fitting my Bosch cordless driver on the top of my Hario hand grinder...and the hex nut is just a smidge too big.

    Nuts.... :-/

    Ill have to go and find my mini sockets....I think youre on to something here WSully! ;)
    you MUST post a vid of that on youtube and supply us the link......absolute MUST! ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Different animals Robur to Kyocera/Hario etc.

    Unless you get somewhere around a Rocky or better then the hand grinders stack up very well in grind quality for espresso. They are certainly better than appliance types (450/480 etc). Much above that you would be pushed to compare them unless you were to do some blind cuppings and side by side testing. Based on what grinders I have had or have the Ascaso, Ibiteral and 480 all are behind, the DRMs are better by a bit.

    Thar said I use mine partly for the silence and it is part of the routine :)

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Speed wise there is no comparison.

    Tastes wise though is another thing all together. With a hand conical grinder will introduce less heat then the electronic grinder. If you get the settings right and have a high quality hand grinder "taste" wise it can battle with the big boys. It may even taster better, due to less heat going into the grinds..
    A blind test would be great to do as a comparison.

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E71697F747F737A7A7979717D721C0 link=1274445857/1#1 date=1274446396
    Quote Originally Posted by 22243727242220450 link=1274445857/0#0 date=1274445857
    Maybe a silly question, but in terms of grind quality, are these two types of grinders even comparable? *So, say a Kyocera grinder vs a Mazzer Robur, for example?
    Easy answer....No way can you compare $100 to $3.5k+
    Money has little to do with it. For example, I own a 1977 Olympia Cremina that was purchased for $3 and it is easily on par with my 2 group NS Aurelia. Of course not in terms of output volume, but shot quality and consistency it is easily the equal of the Aurelia.

    The better hand grinders are definitely on par with prosumer/commercial grinders. Anybody ever read through the Titan shootout on Home-Barista?

    In fact, for our commercial setup I have a prototype hand mill in mind to replace all electric grinders. Later!

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E353C39322A6A69685D0 link=1274445857/9#9 date=1275240953
    Money has little to do with it. For example, I own a 1977 Olympia Cremina that was purchased for $3 and it is easily on par with my 2 group NS Aurelia. Of course not in terms of output volume, but shot quality and consistency it is easily the equal of the Aurelia.
    You want to sell your Cremina for ten times the price ($30) to me? ::)

    The current Cremina sells for $3000.
    A good second hand sells for over $1000 on Ebay.

    At $3 you got an absolute steal. That is like buying a 2nd hand Zass for $0.12 or a 2nd hand Robur for $5.

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    At $3 you got an absolute steal. That is like buying a 2nd hand Zass for $0.12 or a 2nd hand Robur for $5.
    I had a laugh @ $5 Robur, I really hope it would be in mint condition :).

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    Bassway, thanks for the offer, but Ill have to decline, I had a laugh. Yeah it was indeed a steal and I cherish it every day. Went through alot of trouble to find the perfect hand mill for it too. Ended up buying a 50+ year old KyM Turkish style mill so I have a full hands-on experience.

    I once thought electric grinders ruled, but there are alot of very capable hand mills out there. Of course not all are created equal, but when you find a good one its a keeper for life. Later!

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    I have heard good things about the Hario hand grinder. Anyone hear have hands on experience with it.

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    Re: Conical - hand grinders vs the big boys

    aidan

    Yes I have a Hario and can highly recommend it. *The grind is very consistent and has very little fines - whether that is a good or bad thing Ill leave to the old smokeys to argue - but the benefit with my Presso is that it doesnt get choked. *Theres also minimal wastage - nothing gets left in the grinder.

    I hear the Kyoceras are very good too.

    Cheers

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