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    Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

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    Gents, thanks for the assistance.

    So the current plan is to buy a grinder first and a aeropress, and then look at something like the expobar office e61 a little down the track. It seems it can be had for under $2K.

    So grinder wise, Ill look at the rocky. I was looking at the compak k3 but it sits too high for where it needs to go...

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 282C322F38333E3F5B0 link=1277118975/13#13 date=1277550177
    Gents, thanks for the assistance.

    So the current plan is to buy a grinder first and a aeropress, and then look at something like the expobar office e61 a little down the track. It seems it can be had for under $2K.

    So grinder wise, Ill look at the rocky. I was looking at the compak k3 but it sits too high for where it needs to go...
    Current short hopper K3T are circa 430mm ;)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1E41594F444F434A4A4949414D422C0 link=1277118975/14#14 date=1277550326
    Current short hopper K3T are circa 430mm
    Hmm, Compaks website suggests its at 495mm high... the new home in my kitchen is only 465mm high....


    Height x width x depth
    (in/mm): 19.5x6.5x12/495x165x305
    (height with mini-hopper 16.5/420)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Whoops just reread your post heheh, and in the post above with mini hopper its 420 high.. thanks 2mcm, i overlooked that *:D


    EDIT: The wega 5.8 looks to be the same unit as the compak k3 but i dont think they do it in the 420mm high mini hopper..

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F534E555F5E495C545F3B0 link=1277118975/12#12 date=1277521355
    Quote Originally Posted by 46425C41565D5051350 link=1277118975/9#9 date=1277513480
    I guess eBay and the buy/sell here is the best spot for a second hand machine? *
    Probably not eBay unless you know what youre looking at and can inspect the machine, preferably running.
    Two went last night... ECM but also under Rocket and both for >$2000 ouch...

    One is SA and one in Brisbane... Expect to be seeing calls for help shortly.. All working perfectly when last used ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 484C524F58535E5F3B0 link=1277118975/16#16 date=1277550817
    Whoops just reread your post heheh, and in the post above with mini hopper its 420 high.. thanks 2mcm, i overlooked that *:D


    EDIT: The wega 5.8 looks to be the same unit as the compak k3 but i dont think they do it in the 420mm high mini hopper..
    The K3 will out do the Rocky - from my experience...

    Then there is also the option; 1: Mahlkonig Vario Grinder OR 2: Eureka Mignon

    The Eureka will be in a price range the Vario.... Not

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Man, this thread is all over the shop :) Its no longer about a coffee machine for under 1000, but more grinders under $600 ;)

    The K3 would be ideal, it seems it might be hard to find one with the mini hopper, although I did find one online retailer with it for around $530... Ill send the sponsers an email to see if anyone has one in stock.

    When I searched here last night it seems that others who want the mini hopper had to buy it separately for an extra cost of $80 IIRC, which was something I am trying to avoid.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Hi Switched.

    The Wega have a version of the Compak, correct, which is branded 5.8 however doesnt come with the features fitted to the Australian version Compak K3 touch. And correct they dont sell with mini hopper.

    You will find that you can often get an amazing price on grinders if you purchase the machine and grinder as a package together. Its in your initiative to be able to ask for a better deal. Hey we would be happy to throw in an aeropress. * ;D

    Also to remember you have a polished aliminium version Compak K3 Touch which comes standard with a gourmet hopper but at a higher base price point of course.

    Agree completely AM the K3 touch is a class above the rocky. Have had them functioning side by side before.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Hello switched.

    You wrote "...So grinder wise, Ill look at the rocky. I was looking at the compak k3 but it sits too high for where it needs to go... "

    Simple. Our Eureka Mignon imports are all short hopper equipped and stand only 324 mm high. This is at no extra cost.

    If you wish I can supply a photo of Mignon and Rocky standing side by side for a comparison.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Thanks Supreme Roasters and Fresh Coffee...
    I have my heart set on the K3... with the Mini hopper. I have emailed all site sponsors to find one at a good price.
    All the reviews of the K3 so far are impressive, and it should suit my needs for a long time coming...

    @supreme roasters: I would love to couple the grinder with a HX machine but fear that I wouldnt wake up one morning to enjoy it if you know what I mean. ;D
    I have lots of grovelling to do in the meantime considering my budget was $1K originally it certainly has blown out much to my wallets dismay :)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Im sure a search here will give you ideas about how to manufacture very short hoppers--some of them are made very simply. Even a cut off yoghurt container can work, although the SAF is quite low.

    I suspect that NO-ONE here actually comes close to filling even one of the small hoppers in a home use situation.

    The Macap M4D has a 430 mm height with quite a squat hopper--with my custom stainless hopper it is barely 380 mm tall.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    I have the Eureka Mignon and after a simple mod am happy with the dB and the grind quality. Only time will tell. I use a cocktail shaker lid and a traveling cap lid as the lid to this super mini hopper.

    The size is what has made the diff to the limited space I have.

    My wife hates the timer so disabled. Now to swap the switch for a spring loaded momentary ..

    Will send a pic once I get back home.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Hello AM......theres the rub! You must have had a tall hopper & "timed" model to start with....

    All our Mignon imports already have the short hopper as standard, and we have both the timed, as well as the NON TIMED instantaneous model.......

    No mods required, ready to go....place beans in, grind, make coffee and enjoy....Lovely!

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    Short hopper model = 324 mm high.


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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    The eureka is 410mm, so would be a great fit by the sounds of it :) Have a look on our site, theres a PDF with additional information. Personally I think the Mignon outclasses the k3, and it comes at a more affordable price.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 586E6D6F786E6E725F727F1D0 link=1277550178/12#12 date=1277689477
    Personally I think the Mignon outclasses the k3
    OK, Ill bite. In what way do you feel it outclasses the K3T?

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 426368686F75060 link=1277550178/13#13 date=1277693146
    Quote Originally Posted by 586E6D6F786E6E725F727F1D0 link=1277550178/12#12 date=1277689477
    Personally I think the Mignon outclasses the k3
    OK, Ill bite. *In what way do you feel it outclasses the K3T?
    Outclasses might not have been the right word - I mean as a personal preference, the Eureka looks nicer, is slightly more compact, has higher rpm, and is available for a lower price.

    Having said that, I think the k3 is also great grinder, better than the rocky probably, but it just wouldnt be my choice :)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 112724263127273B163B36540 link=1277550178/14#14 date=1277695791
    Quote Originally Posted by 426368686F75060 link=1277550178/13#13 date=1277693146
    Quote Originally Posted by 586E6D6F786E6E725F727F1D0 link=1277550178/12#12 date=1277689477
    Personally I think the Mignon outclasses the k3
    OK, Ill bite. *In what way do you feel it outclasses the K3T? *
    Outclasses might not have been the right word - I mean as a personal preference, the Eureka looks nicer, is slightly more compact, has higher rpm, and is available for a lower price.

    Having said that, I think the k3 is also great grinder, better than the rocky probably, but it *just wouldnt be my choice :)
    Ah ok then. I dont see how a higher revving grinder is an advantage under any circumstances, and when coupled with a smaller burr set as in the Eureka (50mm as opposed to 58mm in the K3T), it sounds like a recipe for hot grinds.

    And personally, I prefer round over boxy looking (but do make an exception when it comes to BNZs).

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 45646F6F6872010 link=1277550178/15#15 date=1277697301
    Ah ok then.I dont see how a higher revving grinder is an advantage under any circumstances, and when coupled with a smaller burr set as in the Eureka (50mm as opposed to 58mm in the K3T), it sounds like a recipe for hot grinds.
    Ill second that. Rocky competitor, absolutely. K3T competitor- nope. ::)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1E2A3D2B30071B373E3E3D3D580 link=1277550178/11#11 date=1277688409
    All our Mignon imports already have the short hopper as standard, and we have both the timed, as well as the NON TIMED instantaneous model.......

    Short hopper... Still to big *:D

    Sniff... Old stock and thus not instantaneous.... *Sniff...

    If use bigger hopper... *Wife and or other just pour in too much.. Can not get good help these days...

    As to the following comments:

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C393433071B373E3E3D3D580 link=1277550178/16#16 date=1277698059
    Quote Originally Posted by 45646F6F6872010 link=1277550178/15#15 date=1277697301
    Ah ok then.I dont see how a higher revving grinder is an advantage under any circumstances, and when coupled with a smaller burr set as in the Eureka (50mm as opposed to 58mm in the K3T), it sounds like a recipe for hot grinds.
    Ill second that. Rocky competitor, absolutely. K3T competitor- nope. ::)
    Context and fit for purpose..

    1: Hight restrictions can be a consideration.. If ya have an appliance cupboard like I have.. Even the K3 T with a short hopper was too high.

    2: MacCap 5m with *supper mini AM hopper = OK

    3: Eureka Mignon with short hopper = OK

    4: Eureka Mignon with AM hopper = GREAT *(hopper limits to 1 tripple shot )

    As to heat.. * Doubt that the extra 8mm in dia (4mm radious) will have any noticable impact on the temp of the grinds / burrs for a 20 or 30 sec run and even that is a start stop with the instant...

    Now if it was a *Doser model and I was grinding a particial full hopper of beans.. And lets use decaff then I would suggest that the issue of temp and time to grind is / could be an issue..

    Context and Fit for purpose.. *

    A couple of shots at a time, limited space, stepless and not to noisy....

    Sponsors also have at the right price...

    Eureka Mignon for me at the present... *Vario will happen.. I just have to wait a bit...


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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Bugger, bugger bugger, what was I thinking... Yes the K3 will fit in under the overhead cupboards in the kitchen but I wont be able to get the beans in (with only 40mm clearance)... luckily I decided to check this as I was ready to swipe my card with one of the sponsors. *:-[

    So I have on my shortlist:
    Eureka Mignon with the short hopper @ 324mm high.... (is there a version at 410mm as well??)
    Or Rocky @ 359mm high.
    I think most other grinders are all too high...

    The rocky can be had for $100 or so cheaper then the mignon... is the mignon worth the extra $$$?

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Yes. We import & have experience of both, and feel that the Mignons adjuster mechanism makes it a superior grinder to the Rocky & worth the extra dollars. The difference between the two in our pre jUne 30 prices is only $70.00. So in our pricing, Id pay the extra $70.00 & go the Mignon but we are all individuals.

    Yes, the *Mignon also comes with tall hopper, check the diagram above.

    Hope this helps.

    Apologies for off topic info but AM...have you read the artikill written by some overseas guru, comparing a few grinders including the mIgnon and the vArio? *Not much in it I think and depends on what take any individual wants to zero in on in the test information (also included a mini mazzer & interesting to see the writers take on the comparison including that). If you havent read I can get you a copy.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 56627563784F537F76767575100 link=1277550178/19#19 date=1277724607
    The difference between the two in our pre jUne 30 prices is only $70.00. So in our pricing, Id pay the extra $70.00 & go the Mignon but we are all individuals.
    I would also go the Mignon over the rocky at this price...

    I was a bit off put, by looks at first; but only took me a few days to love it...

    AND yes the adjuster and method is interesting and one that has some interesting merits; if you start to actually look at the physics involved..

    What... no marking I hear some say.. Err do I need markings... No, no really :D Like a watch without markings... That is the great thing about analogue... It is visual NOT NUMBERS :D

    A.

    You comments at not OT and are welcomed... If your referring to the grinder test of 4 units that is published from a UK site... Read and re read and been in coms with the writer... Now have his template and was looking to use for teh SHUTTLE review :D

    If the doc is another... I would be interested...

    The Vario grabs me from a purely "look and partnership" issue and teh DCM :D (Fit for Purpose ;D ) Price would need to be on par with the Mignon ;) :D ;D (I am sure a slightly use one will appear some day).


    BOT...

    And interesting comment or two... But context has to be considered... This was some time ago..

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1208479853/8#8

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Yup,

    its the one from the UK site!

    Cheerio off to bed now.
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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    I just bought the Mignon too - and also for the size.
    The K3Touch would fit but wouldnt have left enough room to easily remove the lid and load in beans.

    In the end, the Mignon probably suits my machine better too (I have a very square, very shiny, Bezzera).

    And - Im happy with the noise and the grind is working a treat. A bit messy, but I guess thats doserless for you!

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Ive now placed an order with CosmoreX coffee for the Mignon short hopper ;)
    Happy times ahead heheh

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A7E607D6A616C6D090 link=1277550178/23#23 date=1277854609
    Ive now placed an order with CosmoreX coffee for the Mignon short hopper *;)
    Happy times ahead heheh
    Another happy camper ?

    Timed or Instantaneous ?

    A couple of poor quality pics.. AM hopper with and without lid..

    Oh... Note: Si on the PF carrier to assist with less scratching and the smaller DCM Group ;)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 547B72706758747B74727078707B61150 link=1277550178/24#24 date=1277857846
    Another happy camper ?

    Timed or Instantaneous ?
    AM, its a NON-timed version, with mini hopper.
    Very nice work on the custom hopper, looks like it belongs there

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Whats all this about timer/non-timer for the Mignon?

    Mine has the big black toggle switch for power, and a metal switch behind it. Up is timed (adjusted on the bottom), Down is on-demand (grind while tongue is pressed). Is there another sort?

    (BTW - like your silicon job AM. I might have to try that one too)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Being doserless certainly is messy isnt it *>:(

    I think Ive finally found the sweet grind position to pull some good shots.. The krups has made it back out of hibernation and is surprising everyone.. Its only a interim solution until his big (better) brother comes home.

    The only issue with the grinder is clumps.. lots of them. Is there a workaround somehow so as to get a nice even distribution in the PF, or is this just an expected outcome being doserless?

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    I have a Eureka Mignon. I got around the mess issue by cutting the bottom out of a plastic yogurt container. It also doubles up as a good way to mix your clumps out with a knife or small whisk without the coffee going everywhere.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Ristretto, are you saying you grind into the cut-off yoghurt container and then pop the ground coffee into the basket? Its not clear from your post, and Im trying to picture other ways of making the grinds stay where you want them.

    Ive got a Mignon arriving any day now, and a missus who likes to keep things tidy, which means not leaving little bits of ground coffee on the bench top. All simple solutions (and by simple I mean lazy) will be looked at seriously.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    is a great grinder no question but its messy. even if you grind 100% into the basket
    it is quite common for a clump of grinds to fall out of the spout at a later point in time. So clean bench one minute and then you look back 10 minutes later and theres coffee grinds everywhere.

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    ive had the Mignon for over 12 months , it is messy. but my work around is to dose into a small alloy cup. then i transfer that into the PF over the sink..after many times at doing it this way...im quite the master now...

    it does clump. although its not a huge issue , i did use to distribute the grinds with a needle..but most times im not bothering, as a good tamp sorts it out...i also grind exactly 20 grams for a double basket....great crema and consistent grinds , all in all im chuffed with it

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Ive had mine a week, but I found grinding into a cup is something worth doing. You can stir clumps out (if you feel the need to) but you can also dose your basket evenly. And the missus likes that there is not as many grinds over the bench.

    I use a single serve yoghurt cup. It adds undertones of vanilla to my espressos with a hint of strawberries ;)

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Big Louie, nice one mate..I had a laugh

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    Re: Which Grinder? Rocky, K3T, Eureka Mignon...

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F707C6A787F7F1D0 link=1277550178/32#32 date=1281975471
    I use a single serve yoghurt cup. It adds undertones of vanilla to my espressos with a hint of strawberries
    ;D



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