Washers may help but FRESH beans is teh first step...
Hi, just purchased the sunbeam em 0450 and ah, yes well, not a happy camper. Yes i tried to save some $.? Dah!
I have found that it simply wont grind fine enough for a good extraction. Can anyone tell me if it can be adjusted to produce a finer grind? I have seen some references to Sunbeam sending out washers that I presume lift the bottom burr?? Can anyone shed some light on this or am i doomed to sell this on, take it back and or purchase a "real" one?
Great looking burr grinder , bit messy, but simply doesnt seem to cut it. I find it perplexing that Sunbeam (or any manufacturer) would make anespresso grinder that doesnt grind for espresso extraction, silly.
Washers may help but FRESH beans is teh first step...
Welcome Zeke :)
another question what machine have you teamed it with and are you using unpressurised baskets and a decent tamper? Fresh beans a must too ;)
Yes if it does need the washers.Originally Posted by 6F707E70150 link=1286745648/0#0 date=1286745648
Most work out of the box but the occasional one slips through these days.
Before deciding its the machine, please address the issue of how fresh your beans are.
Many newbs think its a good idea to learn using cheap (read "stale supermarket") beans.
Its false economy, as stale beans behave differently to fresh ones.
What is the "Roasted On" date of your beans?
Hi thanks for the input. Yes I roast my own beans so no problem there and I have a 15 bar esspresso macine that works really well. Not top of the line but up there.Originally Posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1286745648/1#1 date=1286746089
Hi thanks for the input. Yes I roast my own beans so no problem there and I have a 15 bar esspresso macine that works really well. Not top of the line but up there.Originally Posted by 3037333C343E2B3B3C35520 link=1286745648/2#2 date=1286754539
Hi thanks for the input. Yes I roast my own beans so no problem there and I have a 15 bar esspresso macine that works really well. Not top of the line but up there. I have been roasting my own beans for over a year now and although I was using a simple bladed mill got a finer grind and better extraction, occassionaly getting the grind too fine. Mostly ok. Off course I was told a burr grinder is the go as it doesnt heat the grind. Anyway just hopeing someone can pdf me how to put a washer in to lift the bottom burr a fraction. ThanksOriginally Posted by 5F637E656F6E796C646F0B0 link=1286745648/3#3 date=1286757426
The machine is 15 bar upper end sunbeam, Im impressed with it at present makes a good brew for the price. As I roast my own freshness is not a problem, definately just looking to see if anyone has had the same issue and if they have put a space/washer under the bottom burr and had success. ThanksOriginally Posted by 494E4A454D475242454C2B0 link=1286745648/2#2 date=1286754539
Already roasting and below 30 posts, Coffee Addict ;D
Ring Sunbeams service hotline, by all accounts they are great to deal with and talk to them about the problem. Trying to talk techie to an appliance store will be a waste of time and energy in most cases. It should get you washers or sorted with another if it is still a bust.
Good luck :)
Thanks for your input I have just sent an email to sunbeam so Ill wait and see what they come up with.Originally Posted by 3334303F373D28383F36510 link=1286745648/2#2 date=1286754539
Thanks for your suggestions, great site. I have been roasting for awhile so all my beans are fresh and have a descent 15 bar espresso machine but wasnt using a proper burr grinder, yeah sacrilege I know, ha. Splashed out on the sunbeam and maybe should have spend another hundred on a Ascaso or a Baratza oh well see what Sunbeam suggest.Originally Posted by 407C617A707166737B70140 link=1286745648/3#3 date=1286757426
Please explain what a decent 15 bar machine is.. So much giggled like a schoolgirl I can not take a breath...
15bar and Quality - these terms get misused and abused to the extent that I just shudder and know the post will be full of marketing crap.Mgmntmnmjmmngbegvngaz
Ring them - youll get a faster response.Originally Posted by 3B242A24410 link=1286745648/9#9 date=1286841619
If they send you some spacers I can try dig out instructions on how to fit them.
It is here
Oh Im sorry, didnt mean to upset your delicate sensibilities. As I am new to the sight and not coffee Ill take that as a simple predilection to elitism, something I wasnt looking for. What makes me "rolfmao" is my ability to roast my own and extract the essence to a degree Im comfortable with (a nice reddy tan, yum) without buying into "maketing" dollars and its tiresome one upmanship. All i was after was a solution to my problem, not a my machines bigger than yours exercise. CheersOriginally Posted by 09262F2D3A052926292F2D252D263C480 link=1286745648/11#11 date=1286845081
Originally Posted by 635F4259535245505853370 link=1286745648/12#12 date=1286849826
Thanks, phoned them today and the spacers are on their way and a pdf on how to arrived this afternoon. Thanks again :)
Originally Posted by 273836385D0 link=1286745648/14#14 date=1286876151
The solution was posted in my post 18 above. See the attached / linked PDF.
You have still not identified your " decent 15 bar machine" and the issue is that most every machine on the market *has a vibe pump has a spec of 15BAR.
However it is all marketing hype... *15 Bar or *25Bar is a toss away line and nothing more.
Some might say the real issue is if it has a real 3 way valve and 9bar active OPV on the group head...
However that would be speaking your talk..
So I am Oh Im sorry, didnt mean to upset your delicate sensibilities. And *Ill take that as a simple predilection to OS elitism, something I wasnt *expecting. *What makes me "rolfmao" is my ability to roast my own and extract the essence to a degree Im comfortable with *without buying into the tiresome princesses that frequent forums *:o
We try to educmate and assist people, to allow them to enjoy coffee, not to serve them!
Besides, the machine is the least important in the process next to the user*;)
Hmmmm, 8 very helpful replies and you respond with this! Am is one of Coffee Snobs most knowledgeable and respected members, perhaps a simple thanks would have been more appropriate. :-/Originally Posted by 5E414F41240 link=1286745648/14#14 date=1286876151
BTW Welcome to Coffee Snobs. ;)
Originally Posted by 172B223A2F4E0 link=1286745648/17#17 date=1286888750
Yes some very helpful replies and I have pretty much humbly thanked all for their input, if you read my replies. Yet if you think that for one second I am going to sit back and be condescended to by someone based on their or your belief in their prefered status them maybe Im in the wrong club. I am more than grateful for feedback of any description but will not play the "Orwellian" we are all equal but some are more equal than others game, nor will I be a part of any one upmanship nonesense. Anyway, all the best ;)
I had a laugh Maybe we got off on the wrong foot sport. Yes we could both get involved in petty hominem and equivocation but thiat would be childish *;). So peace fellow slurrper, and thanks for the input re my question.
No problem...Originally Posted by 4D525C52370 link=1286745648/19#19 date=1286915091
Wrong foot, wrong hoof, wrong morning and I was typing from the crappy i-brick they call a phone ;D
SO PLEASE TELL - What brand and model coffee machine are you using ?
It is not a Coopworths or a Perendale ? (sorry - bad attempt at humour)
You came here looking for help.Originally Posted by 6B747A74110 link=1286745648/18#18 date=1286914703
"Being condescended to" is your interpretation; remember, the written word doesnt always come across as intended.
AM does come across as brusk but when youve been here long enough to get to know him youll understand his bark is worse than his bite.
Thats more like it.Originally Posted by 6B747A74110 link=1286745648/19#19 date=1286915091
You catch more flies with honey.
Now what coffee equipment do you have?
I had a laugh no... a "skippy" maybe. I have a Sunbeam EM6900 and roasting fresh beans in my trusty Cascade popcorn maker for bout a year or so, currently liking the Ethiopian Harrar, I tend toward the late second crack.Originally Posted by 67484143546B47484741434B434852260 link=1286745648/20#20 date=1286923565
The spacers just arrived via courier from sunbeam (very accomodating) and I have installed them. Started with one and ended up putting in the 2 they sent me. Still pretty gritty even down on 1, being the finest grind, so am thinking of getting a couple more. Ill be careful to start up at a couarse grind and work my way down.
A Sunbeam EM6900 and the new Sunbeam grinder 0450 and a trustiy cascade popper for roastingOriginally Posted by 132F3229232235202823470 link=1286745648/21#21 date=1286932431
Thanks, washers have arrived, 2 of them but still a rather coarse grind will try one more,Originally Posted by 6760646B63697C6C6B62050 link=1286745648/8#8 date=1286841254
Take care as the top burr can also become loose and in addition - if you re seat the carrier the wrong way, it can change the location and cause issues..Originally Posted by 362927294C0 link=1286745648/24#24 date=1286942605
Have not ever seen the need for more than 3 in a worse case situation.
Were the instructions from Sunbeam the same as per my post #13
In the grinder section there are some great mods but you will need to go back a while.
Ive just picked up my EM0450 within the last week, and first grind it came out real chunky... like Blend 43 chunky (well, almost)! I was having a heart attack, but I pulled everything apart, made sure I refitted everything back together properly, and it worked fine.
I have a feeling I hadnt locked the top burr into the adjustment collar correctly... I *assume* this is not your issue, but just on the off chance that it is, I thought Id share my experiences.
Thanks for the suggestion. Yeah I double and triple checked. When I first put it together nothing came out at all, nearly spat the dummy. but like you took it to bits and disco all started working although the grind was really coarse. Anyhoo the spacers appear to be working ok may just try a third one as still not really fine enough.Originally Posted by 393C30343833356A5D0 link=1286745648/26#26 date=1286952881
Originally Posted by 200F0604132C000F0006040C040F15610 link=1286745648/25#25 date=1286943730
Hopefully a third will do it. Very odd. Instructions were very similar to yours. I have triple checked the seating of everything and all appears in place. Ill check back on the suggested mods, thanks.
Hey there zeke,
Try this as well, when you take off the grind adjustment collar, you should see four holding screws on top of grinder. Make sure they are screwed on fairly tight. Apparently if the screws are not tight, it can affect the spacing of the bottom burr to the top burr.
I had this problem with my recent purchase of my EM0480 when it seemed to grind coarsely on the fine settings out of the box!!
So before i muttered somethings about consumer grade products i took the thing apart and just randomly checked the 4 screws holding the bottom burr housing. They were not tight, in fact they unscrewed so easily it wasnt funny!!
I then tightened them, checked everything else, put the grind adjustment collar back on, and replaced the top burr back on, making sure it,s sitting flush on it,s seat, put the hopper on grind some beans. Lo and behold, it was grinding almost turkish powder. So, i had to re-adjust the grind settings again.
Before, out of the box i had to have setting on 5 to get something that resembles espresso grind, now i had to put it to 12, which seems to make more sense.
So please check your screws zeke, otherwise those spacers might be useless again as the screws move things about.
Thanks Gary, about to operate on it this morning, appreciate the suggestion will check out the screws. Fingers crossed!Originally Posted by 776D606173657D7777040 link=1286745648/29#29 date=1286994515
Hey thanks everyone. I have got it going as it should. One washer and as Gary suggested tightened the 4 screws down around the bottom burr and DISCO, I have a burr grinder that does what it should. Now getting the proper grind at about notch 8/9 (of 20).
;D ;D ;D
And yes you guessed it going to make a coffee.... long and black.
Hi Zeke, good to hear that all is good now and although I claim zero credit it is good to see that the CS community has come through again. :)
Interesting.. As I usually end up playing with some... AFTER the fact ;DOriginally Posted by 766C616072647C7676050 link=1286745648/29#29 date=1286994515
I have always checked and tightened all screws, never had these SUPER loose but have had them loose.
As I have usually cleaned and put washers in/out etc... I must admit. Never let it click, that the two issues might be related...
Wonder how many others are running 3 wasters or even two, when ONE washer and some simple biceps and a screw driver might make things more CONSISTENT as well.
Thanks Gary at Gala
Ill be checking mine tonight!Originally Posted by 103F3634231C303F3036343C343F25510 link=1286745648/33#33 date=1287014638
Ditto!Originally Posted by 103F3634231C303F3036343C343F25510 link=1286745648/33#33 date=1287014638
The loose screws was new information to me Gary.Originally Posted by 69464F4D5A654946494F4D454D465C280 link=1286745648/33#33 date=1287014638
Thanks for posting that.
Looks like its done the trick.
Am sure there are others with this grinder who have pulled their hair out trying to figure out why the numbers dont match to those recommended in the manual, so we try looking somewhere else for the solution.
Ok, products should work out of the box, but this is a Consumer Grade Product, bottom line.
Good luck to those who take my tip, I feel good to know my hair pulling and assembly fault finding has been worth it. ;D
Thanks zeke, AM, Damienh and TG for your kind words.
Mine worked out of the box but I think QA has gone AWOL since.
I have an EM0480 with the same issue. I rang Sunbeam to see about getting some spacers sent out to me but the advice was to ring the local Sunbeam spare parts agent (they gave me the ph #) and part number to order, at my cost. Can anyone confirm if they have phoned Sunbeam lately who sent out the spacers for free?
Had to order spacer through spare parts agent after phoning Sunbeam. While waiting checked the screws and found slightly loose and after tightening went from below 4 to 12 for espresso. Interesting though that I had trouble getting water from pump without PF in. Took out water container a few times and turned on/off. eventually started to get a flow.
Initially choked on lower grind setting but noticed gauge no where near red area. Hope this is not a pump problem.
DO a sweet spot check using a double floor basket and no coffee..Originally Posted by 7970320 link=1286745648/39#39 date=1291000430
See where teh gauge reads.
You should be close to that reading with a correct grind/beans and tamp.. A bit higher is OK.
Also check to see that you not overdosing and forcing teh group in or you will end up with a stuffed collar.
EM 480 - Sweet spot check about 7 to on the clock face. 5 past on choke.
Was interesting to know your settings changed after you checked screws. At least one other CSer here has same problem.Originally Posted by 11185A0 link=1286745648/39#39 date=1291000430
I came across the same situation when the loose screws affected the position of the bottom burr.
Double check the water reservoir is firmly in place and the condition of the outlet of reservoir
and do as per AMs instructions about sweet spot.
Sorry... I dont get it ?Originally Posted by 7A73310 link=1286745648/41#41 date=1291006567
Sweet spot usually between 11 through to about 1 on the EM6910 gauge with the RED being about 3.
No such thing as a sweet spot on a EM0480... Grind settings are all variable and just a guide / indicator.
I guess KB is referring to the minute hand - ie 7 to is a bit shy of 11 and 5 past is 1.Originally Posted by 48676E6C7B446867686E6C646C677D090 link=1286745648/43#43 date=1291017389
Seems about right, though I dont think 1 would be a choke on my machine, just overextracted.
Sorry AM I was referring to my previous post saying I had a EM480 not an EM450 as in original topic. Not too clear on my behalf.
thanks m@ still wonder if pump is not working as it should. Just brought home some new beans so Ill try again tomorrow.Seems about right, though I dont think 1 would be a choke on my machine, just overextracted.
I recently tried a new "brand" of fresh roasted beans and have had to coarsen the grind quite a bit. Batch after batch with the previous beans and hardly ever adjusted the grinder.
If you are on the limits of your grinder, try different beans.
Originally Posted by 6268613B350C0 link=1286745648/38#38 date=1289775472
Hi bean a while since I have logged in sorry, Sunbeam (N.Z) were gr8, and yes they sent out free spacers. However I have since taken them out as tightening the screws really made the difference and I am grinding on setting 12 with great results. I did at one stage think I had screwd up the grinder as I found a piece of metal in a grind but for the life of me I couldnt find anything wrong with the burrs, nothing broken or missing. Be very careful with reinstalling burrs and start test grinds at higher levels. :)