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    Which grinder to choose?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Greetings,

    I have a Silvia, and I need a new grinder.

    Today I discovered 100% for sure that my grinder no longer cuts it. I also have discovered that my machine likes it a little finer than other Silvias (grabbed some pre-ground to take home and use immediately to prove current grinder faulty). Unfortunately the beautifully even grind was just a tad too course and under-extracted massively.

    I then whipped out the hand grinder (Zass) and tried a few beans until I got one that came out fairly even and was able to pull some decent shots (dark crema, 50-60mL in 25-30 seconds). This makes me think that the machine is happy and just wants a nice grind.

    Now my budget is currently very small. I am considering the BCG-800, Rocky (which is usually paired with the Silvia?) or even something a little more nicer (Mini Mazzer E).

    I can afford a BCG-800 today, but am concerned that given the my Silvias proclivity for the finer grinds, the finer, even grinds and some comments on the BCG thread that things may end in tears if I head this way.

    The rocky is about 6-8 weeks out affordability wise if I skip a few lunches at work :), my concern with this is that at some point I wont be happy with it I figure the amount of coffee we grind would be 13-26kg a year now this should mean it will last 3-10 years of super happy grinding. However Id ideally like to move on up to a HX or twin boiler machine in 3-5 years and am not sure if such a grinder will be sufficient to make good grinds for such a machine.

    Something like a Mazzer Mini E (750-950) seems like it would be great for any machine, Silvia, HX, TwinBoiler, AeroPress, Dripper, but the price means Id be stuck with the Zass for far too long risking too much indecent coffee.

    Ive looked at the FS thread, and well at present there is not anything in my price range, so may as well head for something new. Any comments, advice or thoughts are most welcome.

    Apologies if the above reads as a rant, but I can be a slow learner, I think I was hanging on to the hope the Zass was good enough for too long because it was a gift from the Mrs and didnt want to risk upsetting her. *:-[ Funny thing, after seeing me behind the machine like a madman pulling shots for the last hour or so, she asked what was up and is happy enough to have me replace it, the caffeine buzz is rather intense :D

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    Gday M,

    you are giving us too large of a range of equipment / price to be able to help.

    What you are saying is, I can afford a mini moke right now but would love to have a rolls royce hehehe....wouldnt everyone! *;D

    Also please note I am not sure you have correct pricing on a Mini E. Your price range is for Mazzer Mini Manual in its various configurations. I sold a Mazzer Mini Manual with polished aluminium body in the top end of that price bracket this morning and would expect a Mini E to be a few hundred dollars more....

    Trying to break it down for you:

    I can understand your frustration with trying to use a hand grinder to knock out a few coffees but you had to come to that conclusion yourself;

    You can afford a grinder in the vicinity of 300.00ish dollars right now, or wait and save to get something better. Waiting to save is not really an option as you need something right now.

    In your immediate price bracket my opinion would be to *stretch it a little further and go an Iberital Challenge. I have never seen one come back into my own business with either a warrantable problem or any other problem, except if the grinder was badly mishandled by the operator...

    Or you could go lower for a "value" purchase such as a sunbeam EM450 to get you out of trouble until you hve saved enough to go better say in a years time.

    I dont know anything about the Breville grinder the other guys have been discussing so cant comment there.

    Or the other way might be if I can find an older used cafe grinder in my fleet that is a good goer and could be allowed to slip off the back end of my inventory.....it beats you buying a used grinder off the bay of evils because I wont sell u anything that isnt a good goer or that I cant give you back up service for.............for a relatively "nice price".

    Other than that I wouldnt go beating yourself up dreaming about all the great models you may not be able to afford for a long time yet :)

    Ill have a look around.

    Regardz,
    Attilio
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    By the way. If I may, I would like to include here something just received privately from you as a result of your visit here earlier today. I am particularly chuffed about it thank you:

    Quote: ".......Just wanted to let you know that your staff are a great help. Looks like the issue was..............I see your point about after sales service/support and its importance even if it costs a tad more..."

    Very much appreciate you thoughts.

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    M,

    weve found something you may be interested in.

    If you can stretch to re visit here tomorrow morning you can take a look.

    Dont forget to bring all your money and the mortgage to the house in the event you may be suitably impressed ;)

    Rgdz,
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    Actually we found two.

    So if any other CoffeeSnobber might like to contact me off forum they may bag themselves a good working older used cafe grinder for a "nice price". All cleaned up and ready to go. There is of course NO guarantee but they are fully working and spare parts (should they ever be required), are freely available. And of course we back up what we sell.

    Replacement RRP on new units of similar quality today is around 1000.00 dollars.

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    Attilios offer sounds like a great one which you should definitely consider. I guess the only potential downside to a commercial grinder is the size. I have a Gino Rossi RR45 in the office and it is massive compared to domestic grinders, I certainly couldnt thave it in my smallish kitchen (wouldnt fit under the cupboards and wife thinks it looks like a 1970s Russian rocket ship). Otherwise a good 2nd hand cafe grinder should last you many years, especially if you can source replacement burrs down the line. If you take this option and decide to change later on, you can probably sell it with a minimal loss.

    I am surprised you can persist at all with a hand grinder to make espresso. I have been forced to do it occassionally to make a decaf when I cant be bothered emptying the hopper, but would not want to do it regularly.

    With regards to the BCG800, I remember one of the other sponsors mentioning he is now using it as his cafes decaf grinder. I guess thats a pretty good plug. This model is too new to get any ideas about longevity.


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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    Fairnuff CJ.... 8-)

    To get one out of a tight spot and take the pressure off "having" to buy a lesser unit now and a better unit later on, minor inconveniences related to size or some other SAF (Spouse Approval Factor) or unknown utilitarian factor(s), is a minor price to pay to get on to the road towards the enjoyment of exceptional coffee.

    I know Id be jumping at the opportunity of Attilios beneficence to help me out.... :D

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 604D494548240 link=1293674706/4#4 date=1293682751
    I know Id be jumping at the opportunity of Attilios beneficence to help me out....
    Me three! I really want your problem to be my problem so I can enjoy the thrill of the chase, and snag a fantastic offer (by the sounds of it)! Sadly I have all the equipment that I need, Im happy with, and am safe in the knowledge that I have paid far more it than you will... DOH!

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    An update:

    1) My bad on the MME vs MMM - some some reason I memorised the E as Entry level and the M as more specialer ;), and yep was way off on pricing.

    2) Yeah I was giving too big of a range, I suppose the confusion/frustration of everything - wanting to make excellent coffee, limited current budget, the emotional aspect of replacing the Zassenhaus and the desire not to rush off and grab any old thing that will either be outgrown in very limited time, or not fit for purpose.

    3) I will be availing myself of Attilios "beneficence" (love that word!) as Mal mentioned (not me, the other one ;)) for I would be most silly not to.

    Ill have to find a way to make the spouse approve (I think Ill leave her in the car if I cant get solo access to it), I see much nappy changing my future for some reason. Perhaps in a few weeks Ill be able to turn the bassinet into a portable grinding and brewing station *::)

    I must add that the people down at Cosmorex dont bite, are friendly and dont treat you like a complete numpty (even if youre pretty close to being one *:D) - there is so much about this coffee lark that is touch, feel, sight and smell based, you can get pretty close reading about it, and looking at youtube videos, other things you really do need someone experienced to show you the ropes as it were.

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    Quote Originally Posted by 25292424212D252B2F480 link=1293674706/6#6 date=1293693679
    3) I will be availing myself of Attilios "beneficence" (love that word!) as Mal mentioned (not me, the other one ;)) for I would be most silly not to.
    Superb stuff mallie... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    When youve got this beauty on the bench to play with, you just wont believe the quality of coffee that you will be enjoying. Happy brewing mate.... 8-) :D

    Mal.

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    Allrighty then time for providing the results and feedback from my jaunt down to Cosmorex today. I came home with a new grinder :D, and have almost got it dialled in, have paused due to the little ones needing a sleep and my continual grinding and knock boxing not really allowing for that. I did not come home with the machine Attilio mentioned in his post above, unfortunately as budget really would not allow and would highly recommend any CSrs in the neighbourhood to check it out is a great piece of kit, however did come home with one on budget - an Iberital Challenge (if I have remembered correctly). It was demoed in their machine that is used for to make and serve customers coffees and was able to make a great shot.

    Got home and set it up and banged out a shot, waaaay too fast, remembered Attilio said that the silvia needed a finer grind (typically) than the more fancy high end machines and that every machine will be slightly different and the grind will need to be tailored to the machine. So wound the winder a quarter of a turn and tried again, and repeated this 5 times. Began to freak out as there was barely any improvement at all, did I make a mistake should I have tried to sell one of the little ones or a kidney for the other grinder. Then remembered what he said about these domestic infinite adjustment (non stepped) machines that you have to wind the heck out if it to adjust the grind - useless if you were to pre-grind coarse stuff for work and swing it back round to your espresso setting. Started doing three turns each adjustment ahhh - after a few shots we were starting to get somewhere. Ended up stopping due to the wife letting me know that there was a lot of the day still left, but that the little ones needed their rest now. Ended up at a 15 second shot and am probably within 5 more shots and I reckon it will be dialled in nigh on perfect with about 100gm of the 500gm bag of beans left ;). (The only variable changing here is the grind - dosing was kept constant and the tamp at approx 15kg - may need to tweak the dose when I get the grind dialled in right, but got to get there first). The grind consistency is night and day from the Zass which will now be retired to work as an over the cup drippy thing grinder.

    I would have been in so over my head if I did not have opportunity to have things explained to me and would have definitely been struggling, as it was nearly freaked out, went back and thought about the things I was shown and told during the morning, and ended up working all through it. I really cant thank Attilio enough, I know I got a great deal on not only the grinder, but the education and information passed along to me worth far more than what was spent in store. I do know where Ill be going when next grabbing a machine, grinder or bits though.

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    Congratulations on the new grinder mdm. I am not surprised buy the level of service you received from Attilio considering his contribution on this site.

    Do keep in mind youll need constant tweaks as beans age and temperature & humidity vary.

    Enjoy your new toy!

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    CJ: Ive not forgotten the need to adjust for different beans, and the weather, ago of beans etc, just got to get within the ballpark, pretty close now which is great, and hanging out for the little one to wake.... :o

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    Re: Which grinder to choose?

    Success! ;D

    Thanks to the CSers and Attilio.



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