Id spend a touch more for a rocky.
Id spend a touch more for a rocky.
Welcome to CoffeeSnobs [smiley=thumbsup.gif].
I think the KitchenAid Artisan Grinder is a good solid little unit but for the money or less, you can get hold of a grinder like the Rocky and others that are much more widely available and probably have better service and support.
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Hrrrmmm ... depends what you guys are thinking of using it for. For espresso, yeah, you can get a gagillion better grinders. For cupping, seems pretty good!
Thanks for the tip guys. I have read a bit about the machine and mostly they say build quality is top...looks top..if you like that style....but doesnt gring fine enough for espresso. So i wrote KitchenAid. amd there response was that the burrs can be adjusted to give finer grinds. Anyway still trying to find one in melb. They have been out in the US since 04 but in Aust for a couple of months its seems.
Ive deliberately kept out of this for obvious reasons but may I just make a couple of teensy comments please:
Do you really want to be the only one that owns one of these grinders round these parts?
If its not readily available here and you deliberately seek one out, you will place yourself in a position to be scratching for service & parts support in the future.
You also have to buy the article sight unseen (not talking photos, but actually seeing, touching, checking out properly in your hands).
My honest opinion would be, that I wouldnt want to place myself in that kind of situation and would rather seek out items of good quality that are readily available in this market place....and I dont buy things sight unseen or rely on what others say/recommend in the context if buying sight unseen.
The above comments only intended to be helpful.
Spot on FC [smiley=thumbsup.gif],
I saw one at a kitchen supplies shop here in Newcastle. They sell quite a bit of Kitchenaid gear.
My first thought was overpriced... I think it was $379.00? Then again everything Kitchenaid is pricey.
Ive read some mixed, but mainly negative reviews on other sites:
I have used this grinder for quite a few months now. for some time we have all been really unhappy with our presses in the store using this grinder. i have recently done some more focused testing and comparison with others and have come to some un-scientific conclusions:
there is only so much that can be judged from the appearance of ground coffee. it can look great and taste bad. there can be little sign of fines yet produce a terribly muddy cup.
the process by which coffee is ground is very important. there is a combination of space, speed, pressure, and sharpness (or precision) that produces a varying quality of grind.
with this grinder the speed is slow, the pressure is forced, the sharpness is dull. the result is that the coffee beans are forced through and crushed, not cut. when the grinds hit water the resulting taste is like they have dissolved in a floury, muddy cup.
real burrs may help, but rotating at such a low speed, im not sure there is hope there.
i do not recommend this grinder.
They are fairly utilitarian, but for similar money the Cunill Tranquilo might be worth considering.
Ok Ok i get the drfit...I had a laugh....ill look elsewhere..this is a a very good site im really impressed with the replies.
Oh well my first choice of a grinder based entirely on looks has failed terribly. So ill look at the grinders recomended by everyone. thanks everyone
If youre after a grinder that looks the part and performs beautifully, look no further than the Mini Mazzer. Ive had one for about two years and love it! The adjustments are not stepped, so fine adjustments are possible. On a slightly more superficial note, it looks fantastic on the benchtop. It will cost a fair bit more than the Kitchenaid, but when you consider the many years of use you will get from this quality machine, its worth spending the *extra dollars. Service and parts are also widely available. I know I probably sound like a salesman, but Im just an enthusiastic newbie.
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David Jones stock the Kitcken Aid grinder . I agree it looks stunning , as for grind quality , who knows ?
for the same money go an physically pick up the Rocky. Parts are cheap and plentiful by all accounts and to my fairly novice hands the things is built like and tank and grinds beautifully. I also think that aesthetically its a winner
Sorry to ressurect this old thread...
I am a relative newcomer and am looking to purchase my first grinder. The Westpac Altitude rewards program are flogging off the KitchenAid Grinder (Pro-Line KPCG100PM by the look), and I am toying with the idea of using a few points as a cheap way of entering the market.
I have read all the other posts and web info I can find on this device. General perception seems to be positive although maybe a little over priced. I am wondering if anyone has recent experience with this grinder and can report on any changes to its performance (better or worse). Maybe recent versions have been upgraded or changed in some way.
Otherwise, what are the better stepless options out there for <$400?
Thanks, and thanks for all the great advice and discussion in this board!
Fifty welcome to Coffee Snobs.
A quick google only found me reviews that were 2 - 4 years old and not Australian.
I found one reference to it being used with a Gaggia Classic but no other hints as to what coffee machine/equipment it was being used with.
Without feedback from a CSer thats used one of these I wouldnt be risking my points.
Also IMO stepless isnt the be all end all.
The steps on my grinder are quite small.
Welcome to CoffeeSnobs mate.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
In terms of performance, I think the KA Pro-Line is considered to be adequate but nothing to write home about. Of more concern though, is their reliability. I have received more than one query from specialist coffee enthusiasts when their KA Grinder failed. They dont seem to be as robustly manufactured as one would like, especially (as you say) for the money paid. They are also not that widely supported here in Oz and that is another cause for concern in my opinion.
You dont mention which coffee brewing method you will be using (or are presently using) but if your intention is to grind for espresso then you need to aim for a reasonably decent grinder but if your brewing method is something other than espresso then it may be possible to look at alternative grinders. For my money, it is hard to go past the Iberital Challenge series of grinders to kick off with as an espresso grinder. They retail for around the $300 mark and are stocked by most of our Site Sponsors, who will look after you as a CoffeeSnobs member.
Which ever way you go, all the best with it... :)
Absolutely TG.... [smiley=thumbup.gif]Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1149117951/0#13 date=1226632611
I seriously doubt that I could manage finer adjustment than that provided by the minuscule steps of our LSM. Talking about a burr carrier with a thread pitch of 1.2mm and a step change of only 2 degrees per step.... Thats a really fine adjustment in anyones language 8-) and I imagine your Macap isnt significantly different to the LSM,
Good points, even if the grinder will essentially be free via QFF points.
I am pouring espresso shots only (Sunbeam EM5600) and will upgrade to unpressurised baskets soon, so decent grinds required. The Iberital Challenge was high on the list other options. Theres always the Sunbeam EM0480, but if reading these forums has taught me anything, a better grinder is a good thing, so Im trying to stretch my meagre budget just a little bit further beyond the 480.