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    What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

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    Hi guys, im thinking about buying a La Cimbali M20 (1grp), and im going to need to pair it with a grinder (as i dont have one), and im just wondering about a few things:

    A) What is the cheapest grinder that will do the machine justice? (is a Sunbeam 0480 a waste of time?)
    B) What grinder should i really be looking at to pair with this machine? (balance of price and performance)
    C) If money was no object, what grinder would be push the machine to its limits?

    Also, if the prices of what i really should be getting start creeping up, i may have to start looking around for a 2nd hand one....is that a viable option? is there much that can go wrong?


    Cheers guys.

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    Hi Zakal1,

    If I was going to be the proud owner of a Cimbali M20 then mucking around with a less than optimum grinder wouldnt enter my head. As a minimum, you shouldnt really be targeting a grinder anything less than an Ibertal Challenge and work your way up from there. A good grinder is worth much more in terms of being able to consistently pull great shots than the machine you are going to use to pull the shots..... Since you are thinking of going the La Cimbali route, then why compromise with a "consumer" quality grinder? Doesnt make much sense to me really :-?,

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    so an ibertal is basically the minimum? i assume thats also the answer to A)?

    And if i was going to move up from that, what would i be looking at?

    thanks,



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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    Well,

    It all comes down to money as always.... An Ibertal Challenge will set you back around the $320 mark.... Its a Conical Burr grinder with infinite grind adjustment and a very good build quality. Next up from there would probably be a Rancilio Rocky class of machine with 50mm Flat Burrs, solid build and will cost around the $420 region.... Up from there you start to get into the small commercial class of grinder as in the Macap M4/M5, Mazzer Mini in a number of variations, Rossi, La Cimbali, etc. These machines all start in the low $600s and move up to nearly $900 but all are built to a very high standard and of full commercial durability design.... theyll last you forever. Hope that helps a bit,

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakal1 link=1155044799/0#0 date=1155044799
    Hi guys, im thinking about buying a La Cimbali M20 (1grp), and im going to need to pair it with a grinder (as i dont have one), and im just wondering about a few things:

    Also, if the prices of what i really should be getting start creeping up, i may have to start looking around for a 2nd hand one....is that a viable option? is there much that can go wrong?


    Cheers guys.
    Well as you can see below I have an M20 2 group....

    To do it justice you really need a commercial quality grinder.

    I bought the La Cimbali Jnr about 18 months ago (second hand) and it is an excellent match, but Im sure so would quite a few other professional quality grinders.

    Short of replacing the burrs (readily available from Coffee Parts at a very reasonable price) there is not much to go wrong with them....

    Both the M20 and the Jnr grinder are fantastic build quality (and really, really heavy)...

    Good luck with your purchase

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    yeah i was looking at a Junior combo recently.
    certainly the grinder/machine pair i wish i had.

    Whatd you pay for your Junior grinder (if you dont mind me asking)?

    also, are flat burrned grinders better than connical?


    thanks


    oh, and is this grinder in teh picture a Macap of some sort?
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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakal1 link=1155044799/0#5 date=1155049263
    Whatd you pay for your Junior grinder (if you dont mind me asking)?
    I paid $250 for the grinder.... which I considered "good" price!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakal1 link=1155044799/0#5 date=1155049263
    also, are flat burrned grinders better than connical?
    The flat burr grinders (commercial) are far better than the connical which are normally sold. The flat burr rotates at a much slower speed and doesnt heat the coffee beans as much.

    The best are supposed to be the connical commercial grinders..... if you have ***LOTS*** of money to spend these are apparently the go.

    By the way, Coffee Parts carry a wide range of M20 spares ex stock and their prices for these are excellent as well- the M20 is a great choice IMHO ;)

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    The eBay grinder looks a lot like a Gino Rossi CC45A

    I had an RR45 briefly, they are a lot of grinder. For home use Id contemplate a small Macap, Mazzer or the Cimbali Jnr. Doserless is also another option to consider for home use.

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    A) I agree with Mal - Iberital Challenge.

    B) The Mazzer Mini is the classic prosumer grinder and is absolutely awesome. I think that its pretty much essential to have a stepless grinder. You might not notice the difference between stepped and stepless at first, but when you are able to control your end well, you will wish that you had a stepless grinder. I have found the Electronic version of the mini to be quite convenient.

    C) Personally, I reckon that the Brasilia Competition grinder will out-perform pretty much any machine that you pair it with, but I think that there are maybe one or two in the country! Theyre priced pretty reasonably for a grinder of that calibre, but youd have to specially order them from italy. The classic choice would be a Mazzer Robur or something, but a nuova simonelli MDML or a Compak k10 would also be fantastic. If you prefer flat-burr, the Mazzer Major is a pretty good deal.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    So option B is really the most sensible option, as nothing im likely to be able to afford is going to out-perform the machine (unless theres something wrong with it...*fingers crossed*).

    So that brings me back to a used grinder, is there any reason why i SHOULDNT go for a 2nd hand one?

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    Re: What grinder to go with a Cimbali M20?

    If you go down the path of a second hand commercial grinder then pretty much - as long as it runs (if not burnt out motor!) - really the most which would be required is new burrs.....

    Check out the list (pretty comprehensive) of burrs available from Coffee Parts..... Most are about $50 plus postage.

    Get a grinder for which they have the replacement burrs and you should be OK.

    I got mine from a cafe who which was clearing some stock about 18 months ago. The burrs were still pretty good, but decided to replace them anyhow about a month ago....

    The La Cimbali Jnr for example has huge brass carriers for the burrs, a powerful motor and is built like a tank - as are most commercial grinders.

    It would be hard to imagine a major problem with a second hand one (other than normal wear on the burrs).



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