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    Climax Grinder

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I just thought I would show-off my new toy. *A friend dropped this off to me last night and its a ripper.




    It is in awesome condition, mighty big, stands about 2 foot high and looks like it was rarely used.



    Comes with an industrial strength 1/2HP motor and appears to be very well made. *Even made in Australia... Bizarre! *;D





    The expresso setting (finest) works a treat, nice "powder" and it munches through the beans quickly.

    I did some quick google research on Climax Engineering and found not very much...

    This appears to be an old address...
    Climax Engineering P/L 14 Quinn Street PRESTON 3072 (03) 9480-5077 (03) 9484-2045

    This appears to be their last address...
    [s]Climax Trading, 298 Darebin Rd Thornbury VIC 3071
    ph: (03) 9481 3378 *Coffee Brewing Equipment & Supplies[/s]

    And the next search turned-up...

    http://courtlists.fedcourt.gov.au/Listings/2004_2_26_VIC.htm
    IAN CARSON (AS JOINT LIQR TROLLOPE SILVERWOOD & BECK P/L) & -v- CLIMAX TRADING PTY LTD (ACN 004 395 340) V83/04

    So it appears that Climax are no longer around. *Does anyone know more about this local company?

    Edit 2/12/2008

    03 9480 2133 or try Victor at 0400 333 270

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    This grinder looks like the one in the supermarkets(Safeway/Coles). I used one of them before ... went through 250g packet in a matter of seconds, set at fine grind.

    At that time, I noticed that the grinder had lots of grounds stuck around the chute area. Just wondering how cleanable this machine is.

    I have this concern(phobia) about cleanability(?) of grinders, due to a previous bad experience with a grinder that was impossible to get rid of grounds that had stuck onto the grinding burrs and turned rancid, defeating the purpose of having a grinder, as it stained/contaminated all beans that went through it.



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    I pulled it to bits in a few minutes and had no trouble giving it a general clean although cleaning the burrs would be a bigger task.

    You are right... it is VERY similar to the ones at the supermarket... :)

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    They have one of these at my favorite cafe (Maltitude, Melbourne) for doing special coffees but it seems to not produce as even a grind as Mazzers/Rockys.... Also, its VERY fast and the grind come out rather warm so I wonder if it burns the beans a bit. Very good for doing large batches for drip/press, though.

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    Hi Andy Freeman, I have a climax grinder and would like to know how much you found out about them. Do you know if you can change the grinding blades/burr or whatever is in them? Also is it possible to re-calabrate the machine, I dont think the finest grind is fine enough? I hope you can give so assistance with this.
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    He is trading, returned to work this week after the christmas break (spoke to him yesterday) so if you have any questions, ring him direct and get the right answers first up. His name is Victor.

    This type of grinder works very well, I bought one about 10 years ago and still use it with no hassles.

    This is what in the trade is called a "deli" grinder (for obvious reasons).

    Not to be confused with straight out old style "supermarket" grinders (Climax or otherwise) which have different & much simpler grinding plates and ARE NOT SUITABLE for pump driven espresso machines (if that is what some of you are asking about).

    There was a change of ownership (Climax) about 3 years ago if memory serves correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robman link=1092699175/0#5 date=1105959576
    Hi Andy Freeman, I have a climax grinder and would like to know how much you found out about them. Do you know if you can change the grinding blades/burr or whatever is in them? Also is it possible to re-calabrate the machine, I dont think the finest grind is fine enough? I hope you can give so assistance with this.
    Regards Robman
    I didnt findout any more than what is here. The finest setting on mine is too fine so it does sound like your one needs a service or an adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1092699175/0#6 date=1105998805
    He is trading, returned to work this week after the christmas break (spoke to him yesterday) so if you have any questions, ring him direct and get the right answers first up. His name is Victor.
    Do you have contact details for Victor?

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    Address in Preston (Vic)
    03 / 9480 2133

    as listed in white pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaanage link=1092699175/0#4 date=1095212242
    snip -- Also, its VERY fast and the grind come out rather warm so I wonder if it burns the beans a bit. Very good for doing large batches for drip/press, though. Greg
    No sure what the "experts" will have to say but on mine the coffee is a little warm (err, maybe not as warm as the one that you speak of) and it should be! Friction is crushing the beans, friction produces heat and the difference might be the state of wear as to how much heat is produced.

    How much heat is too much? I dunno. Ill put a temp probe into the grind sometime to see how much is there. It might be a good way of determining the state of the gizzards of a grinder too?

    As for "burning the coffee" I would assume that could only happen at over 95 degrees and if I had to guess the grind would be more like 25.

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    Realistically, dont worry about it. It does, what it does, what it does...

    The plates are either worn, or theyre not, the resulting brew is either good, or its not. If its not, it might be the grind, or it might not. This is an inexact "science" and the person that claims to know all about it on the contrary, probably does not & is probably not an expert.

    Ive been running a "control" grinder for many many years. This grinder has not had the plates changed in almost 20 years and a considerable number of tons of coffee have been put through. The plates will soon reach the end of their serviceable life, however at this time the consistency of the grinds is still good. I have a new set of plates that I am keeping for the rainy day. They cost over $1000.00 AUS for the pair. If I blindfold you, put your coffee through this grinder, and also through another grinder with relatively new plates, and brew both coffees identically, it is unlikely you will be able to tell the difference...if you can, does anyone know if this is due to the difference in condition of the grinding plates or the design of the two grinders? There are grinders and there are grinders, there are grinding plates machined into different profiles, made of differing materials & treated in differing ways, and yes, there are some grinders/plates that go "blunt" easily enough and others that donítÖ

    So....there are horses for courses. Your grinder will tell you when the game is up, so in the meantime, donít worry be happy!

    Regardez,
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    I agree FC.

    My real point (albeit not conveyed very well) was that there numerous posts in here about "burnt coffee" and "rancid grinders" with very little substance.

    To burn coffee I expect a much higher temperature than "warm to the touch" is required. :-/

    To get rancid coffee I would first smear the old remnants with butter. ;D

    Yes both burnt and rancid are possible production hazards but in the minimal quantities that we are talking about I doubt too many are seeing it.

    I previously posted the address for Climax (and it mysteriously disappeared without a whisper)...

    Climax Trading Pty Ltd
    Fy 4d/ 6 Albert St Preston 3072
    (03) 9480 2133

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    Quote Originally Posted by robman link=1092699175/0#5 date=1105959576
    Hi Andy Freeman, I have a climax grinder and would like to know how much you found out about them. Do you know if you can change the grinding blades/burr or whatever is in them? Also is it possible to re-calabrate the machine, I dont think the finest grind is fine enough? I hope you can give so assistance with this.
    Regards Robman
    Hi ya Robman, FCs post will gives you the phone number of the current Climax workshop and if you need me to measure or photgraph a part of its gizzards let me know.


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    FC
    Wouldnt the condition of your grinding plates in reality effect the final consistancy of the ground coffee, and also if a griner were to be having really really worn blades this I would think cause the motor to have to work harder and theus cause heat etc......


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    Thanx guys, I will give Climax a call in the next few days and see what I can find out. Fresh_coffee the blades for the Climax were $1000????? WOW!!!!!! There is some guy at Taree in nsw that can re-do burr grinder blades, I havent tried his service as yet. What sort of mechanism grinds the coffee, there is an auger in mine that appears to drag the coffee forward or backward, I will have to ahve a closer look. Is there anywhere that the grinding mechanism can be adjusted?
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    FB,

    yes, state of grinding plates/ burrs affects grind consistency, heating of grounds etc.

    However as with everything in life, nothing is ever totally straight forward. The "extra" heating of grinds I think is more to do with the extra friction created between the plates and coffee during grinding when using "blunt" plates, rather than anything to do with heat coming off the motor due to extra torque required to push the blunt plates around...

    In *addition, someone mentioned above that "extra" heating of grounds when using "blunt" plates is probably related to the actual quantity *of coffee being ground and this is certainly true. In home use where *you are grinding only very small quantities on demand my feeling is that you would never in your lifetime need to change grinding plates, certainly on a machine that you bought new, if it is a machine of a certain "quality". I do place the tranquilo in this class. That is, people with commercial grinders at home (bought new) shouldnt need to worry about this. Those with typically domestic quality grinders will need to worry about this some time down the track but this is dependent on individual use and situation...again the grinder will tell you.

    Interestingly...(is that a word?)...whilst everyone goes on and on about the "benefits" of conical burrs, those used in conveniently priced domestic grinders are more likely to "blunt" out reasonably quickly with little use, than any flat grinding plates/ burrs Ive ever seen in service, and this really upsets the workings of home use espresso machines.

    I have a feeling that much of the debate regarding the changing of supposedly "blunt" grinding plates at arbitrary intervals (as set by industry "experts") could be a furphy created to generate sales of spare parts...I recently corresponded with a couple of different technical managers in the employ of 2 extremely well known and respected Italian grinder manufactureres on this very topic (when SHOULD we be changing grinding plates), and they both gave different views (independently of eachother) and avoided answering the question directly. It all depends on the individual circumstances you see.....!!!!!

    Why change plates at an arbitray figure of say, 400 kilos, if in your individual situation at that time the plates may be perfectly serviceable and may have lasted to say 600 kilos? I dont fix anything if it isnt broke.

    Robman, must be my style of writing again....no the plates for the claimax didnt cost $1000.00, I was refereing to my "control" grinder which is a high volume industrial grinder.... *;D.

    We generally just change the plates. With "small" grinders (like the ones in regular cafe and deli grinders, it wouldnt pay you to try and re machine the old plates as the new ones are not that expensive. In addition unless you have a set of spare plates your grinder is out of action while you wait for the existing to be machined. Easier to buy new ones and fit when they arrive, so its a matter of convenience.

    The worm moves the beans over to the grinding plates. The grinder *should* *grind from extremely fine to extremely coarse and if it doesnt something needs cleaning, clearing, adjusting or fixing. It is a relatively simple but effecive machine, and the manufacturer states it grinds 250 grams of espresso grind in 1 minute. I cant confirm or deny as we dont time our work. The speed of delivery / grinding is governed by speed of motor, size & design of grinding plates, density of beans etc and should not be mistakenly extrapolated to draw irrelevant conclusions about heating up/quality of grind. It either wroks well, or it doesnt.

    Incidentally if you compare a set of new plates to "blunt" plates, you will be hard pressed to see any visual difference between them. The plates "crush/cut" the beans, you cannot therefore help heating up under normal circumstances.

    Enjoy your grinder.

    Regardez,
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    Thanxs FC. I will pull the baby appart in the next few days and see what is what. Are the blades to fit the Climax easy find,
    I have an Azgyon MO1+ that I just changed the blades in, three years almost to the day from purchase, we use about 16 kg a week through this grinder. The old blades did feel dull when I pulled them out.
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    Climax Naked!

    Here you go Robman... I took some pictures last night.

    With the knob and plastic (instruction cover) removed it looks like this:



    Using a 5mm allen-key remove the two allen-bolts (I had some stainless A2-M6 20mm bolts so I have "upgraded" the factory steel ones :) ) *The whole thing is spring-loaded but not in the "shoot parts all over the shed" sense.



    Removing the alloy front reveals the first of the grinder plates...



    Here is the front plate removed (after the rancid coffee grounds have been cleaned off it *;D ) The two plates are iron cast and should have no trouble grinding up those pesky stones into a nice sand-latte.



    The grinder plates are 86mm high, the opening is 1mm bigger than that.



    I have left the plastic instruction cover off the unit now. *It isnt a safety cover and as far as I can tell is only cosmetic. *I think the naked grinder looks better and can now see the beans in the funnel better too.



    After cleaning the grinder, replace the dob of grease on each end of the shaft and reassemble. *

    Make sure that the grind adjustment shaft is set to very course (ie: turn a couple of turn anti-clockwise) so that you are not putting pressure on the plates while screwing it all back together.

    Once back together you can turn the knob-shaft clockwise until you "feel" the plates touch. *Then turn anti-clockwise 1/16th of a turn so you dont have metal on metal.

    The red arrow in the below picture points to the metal clip that controls how much the knob can turn. *Replace the big plastic knob now, facing the right (finest grind) and check that you have smooth movement through the range of grind settings.



    Set to a course grind and turn the machine-on without beans in it. *Slowly turn clockwise to the finer grind setting and listen for metal on metal sounds.... you want the tollerance to be as close to touching as you can (without getting metal flakes in the coffee).

    Now try some beans. *I can grind to a super fine "talc" that fills my fingerprints.... far too fine for any coffee machine that Ive tried.

    My "normal" setting is about 3 clicks back from finest.

    So... after all that... I recommend that you have a crack as self-servicing. *Not too many moving parts and you will get a better feel for the grinder anyway.


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    Excellent! Just one niggly thing however, the calipers look as though they are measuring 86 mm across the grinding chamber, so that means the grinding plate diameter (size) is possibly around say 75mm. The design profile looks reasonably "standardish".

    Incidentally has anyone stopped to consider whether the "sideways" design of this grinder might have any advantages / disadvantages in comparison to the more common straight "up & down" design of grinder?

    Robman, if you need plates get them from Climax!

    Re: azkoyen grinder. This makes for interesting discussion. 16kg x 52 weeks x 3 years = 2500kg in round figures. Why did you change the plates, because someone told you you should, or because you noticed it wasnt grinding properly, or you noticed the coffee wasnt brewing properly etc?

    Do you know what the "recommended" interval of change (in kilos) is for the type of plates it runs?

    Did the change make any noticeable difference to anything?

    Regardez,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1092699175/15#19 date=1106105749
    Excellent! Just one niggly thing however, the calipers look as though they are measuring 86 mm across the grinding chamber, so that means the grinding plate diameter (size) is possibly around say 75mm. The design profile looks reasonably "standardish".

    Hmmm....

    the actual measurement across the chamber was 87mm, the gringing plates are approximately 86mm and the "cutting surface of the plates" is around your 75mm figure.


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    FC, I ran out of adjustment on the grinder. I had the new grinding plates for over 12 months and the grinder did not really need them changed. I ran my fingers over the old plates and there was still a bit of grab so I left them alone. At $380 for a set I was not in a hurry to replace them. I roast my own coffee and keep a very close eye on cup quality. If there had been a problem I would have quickly moved to fix it. I have a azkoyen espresso machine as well as the grinder. They are my favourite brand of machine, fully computer/robot constructed in Spain, sensatioal to work with but expensive. The two bits of equipment working in concert pull a bomb of a shot. Plus the equipment can be controlled to the point where my staff would have to go out of their way to cock things up. It give very consistent results.
    Regards Robman

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    Hi Andy, quick question, how do you get the knob off? AnD mate thank you so much for the above post with pictures etc. That has to be the best explaination I have ever seen on any forum on any subject.
    Regards Robman

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    Thanks Robman!

    The knob is on a fine spline so it will just pull off (similar to a car radio knob). *The best way is to gently lever it from behind on alternating sides, once it starts it will be easy.

    The only other tool you will need is a 5mm allen key for the 4 bolts on top and the two on the front.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robman link=1092699175/15#21 date=1106134198
    FC, I ran out of adjustment on the grinder. I had the new grinding plates for over 12 months and the grinder did not really need them changed........I roast my own coffee and keep a very close eye on cup quality....If there had been a problem I would have quickly moved to fix it.......pull a bomb of a shot.......very consistent results.
    Regards Robman
    Excellent. You have simply reinforced what I know to be true from experience in many applications....that the wearing of grinding plates does not necessarily spell disaster in terms of brew quality...and that plates need not necesarrily be renewed just because they have reached a certain time in their life if they are still grinding well as demonstrated by the quality of brews.

    Regardez,
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    Andy_Freeman, You are the best, I pulled the grinder down today cleaned it out and re-adjusted the grinding points as per youe detailed instructions. It has done no work at all the inside is shinny as and very clean. I just pulled myself a shot of my Iron Horse blend using the re-tuned grinder. Excellent, sensational Blah Blah Blah. Thank you once again, I will try and get a spare set of blades for this machine, just to have them on hand.
    regards Robman

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    Fellas this is fantastic what you have done here, this has been a very interesting read for this Bean, Great to see the spirit of Co-operation running so well...

    FB :)

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    i just got my first climax grinder an old red dely type
    it has no hopper can you still get parts for this type
    of grinder.

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    Heres some contact details from one of Andys earlier posts about the grinder above...

    Climax Trading Pty Ltd
    Fy 4d/ 6 Albert St Preston 3072
    (03) 9480 2133

    Hope that helps...

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    is this grinder the same type whereas in a supermarket youd buy your bag of beans then grind them up type deal?
    havent seen one of those in years, remember my mum making me do that for a machine I can only think of was a percolator, tall jug thing with a long metal tube and a coffee basket thing in the top, mind you that was 29 years ago Im recaling from.
    So many posts here bring up memories of the weirdest thing...

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    Yeah, thats the one Sullo. Pleany of us would have similar 70s memories of a family dinner party that had and burnt orange or bright green fondue-set and a percolator to boil and re-boil the coffee that you freshly ground in the supermarket isle.

    Boy, they must have sold plenty of the Climax grinders over the years too. They are built like a tank and can take years of use/abuse. As far as I know Climax still produce them today.


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    If anyone can get spare parts from Victor at Climax let me know - easier to pass a camel through an eye of a needle.

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    At my last position in NZ I was asked to find the contact for climax grinders. The very next day I had a visit from the CEO and IT guy. Imagine what googling "climax grinder" would produce...

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    If they (CEO and IT guy) were onto you that fast, they were most likely already monitoring you I suspect...

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    Nah, these days that sort of monitoring is automatic and it would have red flagged to someone.

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    monitoring and flagging? sounds a bit cia? whats that?
    i dont know the story but to have a ceo call on you, that sounds pretty good

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    Hi folks...my first post here, but Ive been lurking for a while...I have learnt heaps from you guys and am hopelessly obsesed with getting that elusive "God Shot"...I have also bought some stuff off BeanBay. (Yemen Bani Ismail...OMFG!!!)
    I am considering buying one of the Climax grinders *
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    ...it looks a bit different to the one Andy has, and has five grind settings marked: boil,pot infusion,percolator,dripolator or vaculator and espresso
    Could anyone tell me if this has stepless adjustment between the five settings, or would I be better off with something like a Compak??
    Thanks for any help,
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by buff link=1092699175/30#35 date=1190524822
    Hi folks...my first post here, but Ive been lurking for a while...I have learnt heaps from you guys and am hopelessly obsesed with getting that elusive "God Shot"...I have also bought some stuff off BeanBay. (Yemen Bani Ismail...OMFG!!!)
    I am considering buying one of the Climax grinders *
    nb- posting modified. Please read site sales and posting policy
    ...it looks a bit different to the one Andy has, and has five grind settings marked: boil,pot infusion,percolator,dripolator or vaculator and espresso
    Could anyone tell me if this has stepless adjustment between the five settings, or would I be better off with something like a Compak??
    Thanks for any help,
    Cheers,
    buff
    Hi Buff and welcome...

    Climax do deli bag grinders...

    I wonder why youd be looking at something like that? Do you own a business where you need to grind coffee for clients?

    If the grinder is for home use, Id be suggesting something designed to grind for espresso rather than a supermarket grinder....

    regards

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    get the compak and talk to Chris dude :)

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    advice heeded!!!!!....wont look at bidding on the climax...my thinking was commercial would have a better build quality than a domestic one, but I wasnt sure on the grind quality.
    Thanks for setting me straight..
    Cheers
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    What some Coffee Snobs use for home are just as good build quality or better than some commercial establishments.

    I like your thinking though. Quality.

    Talk to Chris or any of the other ite sponsors.

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    Re: Climax Grinder

    I picked up a Climax bag grinder today, at a garage sale, $5. What do you reckon?


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    Re: Climax Grinder

    bargain!

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    I see a couple of blemishes in the paintwork but other than that not bad.

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    CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    Hi there.

    Can anyone help please to source the BURRS *for a CLIMAX deli grinder??

    It appears from all research today on the net ,that climax ceased business.

    Is this really the case or someone may have some burrs stashed away.

    Thanks for all input.

    Spressoman

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    Re: CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    I found this older thread on these grinders started by Andy Freeman

    Reply #8 has contact details
    Just hope they are still current

    Good luck

    http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:2hp_OjM9veYJ:coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl%3Fnum%3D1092699175+CLIMAX+coffee+GRINDERS+ parts&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=opera

    KK

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    Re: CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    Thanks for the reply KK , unfortunately the phone number is invalid.

    Spressoman

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    Re: CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    Spressoman

    I have this number you can try: 03 9480 2133 or try Victor at 0400 333 270

    Good luck


    Renzo

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    Re: CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    You re the MAN Renzo!!!!!

    The mobile number worked . Talked to Victor and things are looking good.

    Thank you very much

    God Bless

    Espressoman


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    Re: CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    Can anyone tell me what are those 2 tube like "things" located at the end of the motor? ie left hand side of pix?

    They seem to be missing from my grinder ( the unit still works though).

    Thanks

    Spressoman


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    Re: CLIMAX GRINDERS FOR RUBBISH TIPS???

    Looks like a 2-pin, 9w PL Fluorescent tube....



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