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    Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

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    Somewhere else, coffeegeek.com I think, someone stated that the Mazzer Mini E is more like one of the more commercial mazzers such as the Jolly than the Mini. *

    Some do appear on the 2nd hand market. I looked a bit before deciding to buy new - there was a used one on eBay that went for almost new price. *If youre serious about 2nd hand, youre more likely to get one of the commercial range in the Trading Post, or at catering auctions or the like. *Caveat Emptor - youll most likely want to replace the burrs as a minimum, depending on its workload (not an expensive task). *But I know a few people have seen Sienna Coffee selling Mazzer Minis on eBay, for a fair bit under what the best RRPs are - check out their ebay store at http://stores.ebay.com.au/id=104990605. *

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    I would never buy a grinder with a doser, although I know some can be removed. I can get my Mini Electronic virtually clear of all stale ground coffee between the burrs and the chute in about 10 seconds.

    The bigger burrs on the Mini Electronic (same as the Super Jolly) and the anti static chamber (cone) is what sold me.

    Here are some negatives:

    The push buttons for auto timing doses sounds good but blows in reality as it doesnt account for changes in bean density or relative humidity which can affect how much ground coffee is produced in a given time period. I have tweaked the timer to be a little short of all the beans I grind and use the pulse button to top up.

    Another issue is that my Giotto portafilter dual spouts are too long for the Mini and hit the base of the grinder so I cant get it right under the cone. I ended up removing the spouts altogether so I have just a gaping hole in the bottom - works well!

    Finally the shelf that the portafilter sits on is a little too low and I do get some coffee thrown outside of the basket, more so when the beans are a bit drier.

    I notice that Mazzer now sell a Model B of this grinder which has a micro switch at the back of the shelf. Dont see any value in that.

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    Quote Originally Posted by poundy link=1100074400/0#7 date=1100126840
    Somewhere else, coffeegeek.com I think, someone stated that the Mazzer Mini E is more like one of the more commercial mazzers such as the Jolly than the Mini. **
    The flat burr Mazzer motors spin the burrs at the same revs for the different models and a bigger burr set requires more torque to turn it for the same beans and grind since the grind area is larger and the burr area is further away from the axis, hence more power is required for a larger burr set (power = revs x torque).

    The E has the SJ burrs else it would be too slow to be convenient for grinding into a PF directly. The motor is the same as the normal Mini since it is not designed to grind continuously for filling a big doser like the SJ so it is allowed to overload for the short amounts of time it is run (like a cars starter engine). The normal Mini uses the smaller burr set so the motor doesnt run at overload since it does have a doser and it must grind for relatively long periods.

    In THEORY, the normal mini would have a slightly better grind than the mini E or Super Jolly (and they would be better than the Major) since the smaller burrs would grind the the beans more slowly so the are heated less. In practice, I doubt this is an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wired link=1100074400/0#8 date=1100148402
    I notice that Mazzer now sell a Model B of this grinder which has a micro switch at the back of the shelf. Dont see any value in that.
    Why not? It means you just hold the PF against the switch and pull it back when you see it has ground enough for your dosing level - youre using the pulse switch to complete your dose anyway so its not like itd be a big hassle to use the B model.

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    The B model sounds like the one to get then thanks Kaanage...... Now, how do I talk the misteress of war into granting me my wish for christmas........Begg!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    At this point of time I do not believe that the Mazzer importer is bringing in the Model B. The Mini E imported is the model A that is the one with the controls on the dosing chamber lid.
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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1100074400/0#12 date=1101105825
    Strictly with regard to the question of "best value"...

    the other represents total overkill (domestic use remember) certainly with regard to price if not from point of view of capacity.
    FC.
    I follow your logic FC but would argue that buying one grinder up front that will never need upgrading, repair or replacement
    is in fact a sound financial strategy.

    Whilst the upfront cost may hurt, if you compare this to the purchase of two or three lesser quality grinders over a 10 or 15 year period then I imagine most people would be ahead but more importantly you have had the use of a wonderfully prcecise piece of machinery for that period.

    Its not as if new grinder technology will make current models obsolete in the near future.

    Hmmm..... if I ever worked as a financial planner I can see my first question "and what is your current grinder portfolio" ;)

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    Kaanage

    I contacted Saeco and they indeed knew nothing about the Model B, I have placed it on order and will await its arrival.... When?..............haha next question....

    FC.

    I can see where you are coming from, but when you have had the opportunity to use a coomercial or semi-commercial unit you would see what we are raving about. I have a Cunill Tranquillo and by all means this is a very very good grinder, but it has ONE big problem and that is the Static, it is just a major pain in the neck, from what I can gather the only way to get rid of this is to get a metal dosing chamber, whether this be a Doer or just the doserless chute.

    The Tranquillo to me is what I think you would refer to as the "Middle ground", I do not discount that fact that $1000+/- is a great deal to fork out, because it is. But after 6 months of the Tranquillo I will be pleased to get our new grinder even though it has cost a lot of money. But I am re-assured by the fact that I know that this new grinder will last me for the next 15 years and spare parts availability will be assured.

    I still think that a good grind is just as important as the actual coffee we use, the Machine then comes a very close to equal second

    FB :)

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    My 2 cents.....

    The grinder is the most important component in your set up. Therefore you need to get the best grinder you can afford.

    Mazzers are arguably the benchmark grinder on the market. As Minis sell for +/- $700, Id go for a 2nd hand Super Jolly for $500-$600. You might have to wait a few weeks for one to become available, but youll end up with a killer grinder that youll never have to upgrade and they are bulletproof!

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    I suppose youd call this my 4 cents worth then

    As someone who owns a Tranquillo, I would certainly push for a newbie to get a Mazzer, why, The Static is a major major problem in my Tranquillo with many other plastic doser grinders, My tranquillo has so must static that there is usually enough on the sides of the doser at the end of the day I could make a single shot from it, Regardless of looks it comes down to the point, is this grinder going to give me problems and how long do I plan to be grinding my own coffee, if the answers are Few problems and I wish to grind for many years to come the obvious thought would be to go for one of the more expensive grinders such as the Rocky or the Mazzer, why?, these are thoroughbreds and will give the quality that you would want. Its not the point of what other people are going to say or think its the experience of others knowledge, if it does cost 7, 8 or $900.00 the experience from other users would be very important, yes it does come down to what you can afford, but I would rather spend $900.00 and know I am going to get a decent grinder rather than blow 3-$400 on a grinder that doesnt pass many of the Benchmarks that we expect.

    Therefore I would still recommend a Mazzer over the Caggia MDF, why? The Mazzer offers Rolls Royce features that are not found in the Caggia and for the relatively small ammt you need to pay extra you would be buying a must better machine and greater peace of mind

    FB :)

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    I Like my Rancilio MD50 its an ugly beast but she is all mine. I got it second hand but was hardly used before I got my hands on it.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

    My further (Insert random $ value here) worth ;D

    FC, you made a great point above about the amount of $$ some are prepared to spend on a grinder when they are new (or maybe old) to the world of home espresso. It could be true that a new grinder in the $200 - $400 range will provide satisfactory results. Some people may not want to spend more than $400 on equipment when they are just starting out with home espresso. For some, they may only want to spend around $500 on a machine and grinder combined. I produced very acceptable coffee (better than most cafes) with my $80 Emide grinder and thermoblock machine. Now I have a Mini Mazzer (1st bout of upgraditis) and Im looking at a semi-commercial espresso machine soon (upgraditis relapse :P)

    Perhaps we need a review section here so members can provide information about the equipment they own/owned and others can make their decisions based on the experiences of others with an easily accessable resource. (Of course there is something like this available at a very popular coffee site elsewhere on the net ::))

    FC, Im sure youre not denying that the Mini Mazzer is a great grinder. It would be hard to dispute that anything in its price range is better (performance). There may be others as good as,or close to, and may be a little cheaper. Speaking as a professional, Mazzer have an outstanding reputation and I recommend them with the knowledge that they will provide a quality result for many, many years. (Lifetime may be an exageration ;))

    IMO, if you think you may be wanting exceptional results from your home espresso set up in the future, invest in a commercial grade grinder first. It will help even cheap domestic espresso machines produce good-great results, and you can then upgrade your espresso machine time and time again.

    As for the availability of good 2nd hand commercial grinders, it goes without saying caveat emptor (buyer beware)!! IMO, they are available (if youre patient) and they dont get sold just because theyre faulty. Cafes close all the time and the equipment is often picked up by used equipment companies, coffee companies or is sold by the poor person who owned the cafe.

    Cheers.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

    The Saga continues.

    The whole thing comes down to the point that if your willing to spend the $$$ and you can afford it, you will buy what is in your price range.

    One thing that might be worth concidering. Why is it that so many commercial cafés have commercial grinders and not your general of the shelf grinders..... Quality and Longevity.... We could go on and on about this but the proof will always be in the pudding... If your happy with the grinder you have, so be it..... If your not then concider why.

    I dont get a throw back from any of the import companies and I dont think that any of the adminnos here do either, We are CoffeeSnobs and the reason for such is that we are very particular in what we drink, Part of the drinking is also the preparation of our beloved beverage......... RThats why we use the equipment that we like, some like the Silvias some Saecos and some Boemas etc, this also applies to our grinders as well. The off the shelf machines will do a good job for certain but the question here is, "is the cost justified", If your willing to spend the money on a Mazzer you would have done your research and there are an awful lot of people who own a MAzzer that will swear by it........I think that in its self says enough.

    FB :)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1101346266/15#15 date=1101360683
    (the settings as mucked around with by the owner himself, are totally out and as with many people, he does not understand "espresso". Some people just dont get "espresso")!

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    Im picking that hes "mucked" around with his settings to "maximise" his profits.

    Not skimping on the coffee is he ?? :-/

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    Re: best value for $$ Gaggia MDF or Mazzer Mini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1101346266/0#9 date=1101194713
    Then look at budget. Undoubtedly the best "budget" entry level grinder is the Saeco 2002...yeah I know, stop laughing and think for a moment. No self respecting coffee head is going to recommend such a thing, but at an RRP of $229.00 it grinds coffee well. It has a couple of niggly "problems" that you can work around IF YOU ARE PROPERLY ADVISED BY YOUR VENDOR (back on customer service again Im afraid). They are not as "bad" as some coffee head circles would like you to believe and in fact they represent excellent value in that price bracket.
    ??? I reckon the Saeco is a ripoff vs a Lux. Id spend the extra $36 RRP anyday.
    I cant fault the general premise of your post, however - your reasoning is excellent save that having played with Mazzers and Rockys, MD-50s etc, Id say the spring loading of the Mazzer burr carrier is a superior arrangement out of the box as it
    a) allows for easily adjustable infinite adjustment
    b) stabilises the upper burr better than just a threaded carrier leading to more even grinding

    Some of the stepped adjustment grinders have graduations fine enough to overcome (a) and others can be tricked into intermediate settings and all can overcome (b) with either teflon tape on the carrier threads or the addition of preload springs if possible (as FrenchBean has done with his Cunill).

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    From personal experience Solis 166 (Delonghi) is a good entry level grinder too and will cost you about $170. While not an idea companion for Silvia if you cant afford a Rocky then the Solis does do the job just a little inconsistant but is better than nothing.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1101346266/15#19 date=1101720913
    However it is precicesly because of the grind adjustment that I noted the Saeco was "better" value as an entry level grinder. It has a spring preload combined with burr adjustment and therefore behaves much "better" than the LUX, in standard form. Joe average who buys a grinder and just expects it to work as standard out of the box and who doesnt get into the "finer points" of grinder adjustment, has an easier time.
    I love these forums - I m always learning :D. My problem with the Saeco was with the design of the burr set but what you say does make sense for Mr Average.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1101346266/15#19 date=1101720913
    The Lux has a far more rudimentary grind adjustment susceptible to the play in the aduster worm which for those that expect better is a little bit of a pain.
    What exactly do you mean by "play in the adjuster worm"? The coarse steps are certainly a pain.

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    One of the guys at work just brought a new Saeco super auto the model with the ceramic burred grinder. Imagine what a stone would do to that. :o

    The Hazards of roasting your own I guess as none of us have stone extractors in our roasting process.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeSnobs link=1101346266/15#22 date=1101799480
    One of the guys at work just brought a new Saeco super auto the model with the ceramic burred grinder. Imagine what a stone would do to that. :o

    Rich
    Most probably improve it. ;)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini - is the expense justified?

    Hi FB,

    Re: Your reference to the Cunill Tranquilo...
    "The Static is a major major problem in my Tranquillo with many other plastic doser grinders, My tranquillo has so must static that there is usually enough on the sides of the doser at the end of the day I could make a single shot from it"

    There are a number of "Anti-Static" coatings that can be obtained from a number of manufacturers and some are as simple to apply as wiping on with a soft cloth. Probably the most useful would be the products designed specifically for plastics, such as plastic spectacles lenses. Here is a link to a company that sells such an item... http://www.sola.com.au/apps/news/Teflon%20EasyCare%20Lens%20Coating.htm .
    There are others around too of course and it may only require a visit to your local optometrist to purchase a small container of something that is easy to procure. As far as I know, the main constituents of these coatings for plastics are usually one type or another of teflon or ptfe. This is a very inert substance and not likely to cause any contamination that could be hazardous to ones health but it would be best to play it safe and get hold of a copy of the prospective products MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) before committing to buying it and using it.

    Worth a try though I think, at least it would have the potential of eliminating the single most annoying problem with your Tranquilo. All the best,

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