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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Has anyone seen a Mazzer Mini for better than $590 (incl GST)? I know of one place in Sydney offering it for that price.

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    nope, Id jump on it while you can. Mine waas $620, and that was the cheapest I could find a few months back.

    or, consider checking ebay for a Mazzer Super Jolly, which Ive seen for $530. I was considering this option, but
    a) there were none available at the time, and
    b) I had a big concern over the size, and whether it would fit in my designated coffee area ... would make the wife grumpy otherwise.

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    Re: Mini Maz - best price

    A Position Statement?

    Of Mini Mazzers, and any other pieces of equipment (like silvia and rocky) that are heavily advertised around as being "the best" in their market groupings...

    I wonder why some traders feel the need to discount the prices of this equipment to such a great degree below the stipulated RRP?

    Seems like a contradiction, to heavily discount the price of the top stuff and bring it down to the level of apparently lower grade stuff.

    I wonder when mercedes are going to heavily discount the RRP of their top vito van to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1124275179/0#2 date=1124502194
    I wonder when mercedes are going to heavily discount the RRP of their top vito van to me?
    Psssst, FC! *Ill let you know if they do. *I will be working for Mercedes-Benz from next week. *But dont tell anyone. *:-X

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    Mums the word....but better use the (god forbid) telephone. Ill be waiting for the call! :D

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    FC:

    It is a problem sometimes dealing with coffee snobbies. *In some ways they are not good customers. *They are highly knowledgeable, highly selective and most of the bastards :) are computer literate and use the internet a lot.

    They can sniff out a bargain faster than a customs beagle can sniff out drugs.

    I dont think coffee equipment sellers will go out of business any time soon though as there is quite a lot of support needed for the equipment and coffee knowledge. *I would still buy new equipment from a retailer in my geographical area, where possible anyway. *

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    Re: Mini Maz - best price

    Hi Everyone,
    I was looking at them for around $650 and are keen to buy one at the moment so if anyone could give me a place in Sydney where I can get one for around $600 Id really appreciate it.
    Thanks
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbean link=1124275179/0#6 date=1130052930
    Hi Everyone,
    I was looking at them for around $650 and are keen to buy one at the moment so if anyone could give me a place in Sydney where I can get one for around $600 Id really appreciate it.
    Thanks
    Chris
    Hey Chris -
    If you can find a bank thatll give me a $20 note for every $15 I give them, Id appreciate it.

    I think youre going to find that items like this - which are not sold in large numbers - are not discounted heavily. You might prefer to pay the right price and be able to look the seller in the eye when you do as well as feeling entitled to after sales service! This isnt a forum for driving down prices of low volume items - but you might get lucky. 8-) If, as you say, you are keen, youll pay $650 and consider that a fair deal.

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    Hi there,
    Im very new to the site. *
    Fantastic discussions, blah blah blah.....

    Im also in the market for a Mini Mazzer.
    Wondering if anyone knows suppliers in MELBOURNE?

    Ive tried:
    Coffee Company, Balaclava. $690 - No stock
    The Beanery, Brighton. $680 - No stock.

    Is that post from 11/05 still valid - ie., for under $600 (yeah, good luck.....)

    I understand Saeco are the distributors in Aust. *Ive e-mailed them but presumably I wont be able purchase it directly from them.

    Grateful for any advice.
    Thanks.


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    pm sent...

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    Re: Mini Maz - best price

    The thing is, its normal, even encouraged to try and get the lowest price possible. In so many cultures in the world, its considered normal to haggle the price down to something that the customer is happy to pay, and the seller is happy to recieve.

    Us coffee snobs/geeks generally dont work in cafes, dont run cafes, and therefore arent fully educated as to what to expect to pay for a grinder. Or a machine, or whatever. Speaking for myself, when I was first told about the need for a grinder, I baulked at the prospect of spending $120 on what is now considered a grinder that is not even suitable for espresso. So the thought of paying up to $750 (what the mazzer mini was ticketed at when I started shopping) was ludicrous. Because we (home baristas) still tend to think of a grinder as a kitchen appliance (which tends to run along the same train of thought as mixmasters, toasters, blenders etc). Which, in the home situation, it simply is.

    And home appliances tend to not last forever (unless theyre built to last and pass on to your grandchildren eg: Kitchenaid Mixer, we just bought a brand new one for about $600, a friend is inheriting an identical one from her grandmother, which the grandmother was given as a wedding present!), and so they cost less.

    Just something to bring into consideration when we start talking about prices and discounting etc etc... two different perspectives.

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    Not a tax deduction either *:(

    Id reckon CSs CGs would be the hardest customers to deal with. We are fussy, and full of theories weve amalgamated from tidbits of information found online. For the most part we are not industry professionals.
    Heres the but... the zeal and passion for coffee found in most home baristas is enormous. We want to feel weve gotten the best bang for buck possible. Our coffee equipment is not just a business tool, or the machine that makes coffee, it is our hobby, our preoccupation. So please forgive us our foibles but appreciate our well intentioned passion.

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    I agree that these forums are not aimed at driving down and chasing the cheapest prices.

    As a relative quality-coffee newbie I too thought that $150 for a grinder was VERY expensive when I started out and if someone told me that I needed to spend about $500 I would have laughed out loud.

    Education is the key here I think. Now that I know and understand WHY a $500 or higher grinder is better than a kitchen appliance, I can appreciate paying that much $$$ for one eventually when my upgrade cycle allows.

    Also, at the beginning of my coffee journey I would have hunted down the best price and happily bought from evilBay or some other online discounter. And probably would save some nice $$$ doing so.

    But having spent time here and getting to know the people and issues of high end cofee equip I can honestly say that I would now happily pay the non-discounted price and buy from a supportive site sponsor when my time comes. Knowing that I will get quality aftersales support, as is proven in the many many posts in these forums from site sponsors such as 2MCM and FC.

    Its just not worth the small initial saving in the long run IMHO.

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    I hear what youre saying lochness - theres good reason to pay a higher price if you know that after sales service will be top notch.

    When I was grinder shopping, all I did was google search phrases like Mazzer Mini Sales Sydney and stuff like that, and basically tracked down anyone in the area selling mazzer minis. Prices ranged from $750 down to $620, all promising that if anything should go wrong, just bring it in and theyll fix it up.

    Why pay $750 with great after sales service when I can pay $620 with great after sales service? Thats a $130 saving!

    And yeah, I didnt buy from a site sponsor, but I did buy from a reputable dealer, who offered training, let me play with a grinder in the store, and who said if anything should ever go wrong, just bring it straight back and well fix it up for you. Theyre based locally, not likely to close down and leave me stranded any time soon.

    It never hurts to shop around.

    Similar story: we bought a new car recently. You cant really negotiate the price of a brand new car that hasnt even arrived in the country yet, but you can negotiate extras. Just by shopping around, negotiating, playing offers from dealers off one another, we got free window tinting, alloy wheels at cost price, locking nuts for the alloy wheels at cost price, a dust and pollen filter for $40 instead of $150ish, an extended warranty, free prestige number plates and # plate covers.

    Ill say it again: It never hurts to shop around!

    What I dont really agree with is using these forums to shop around; I think its best to do the leg work (searching for and contacting the vendors, asking lots of questions) yourself. Im sure that Ive annoyed the company that sold me my grinder and the company that sold me my machine, just by sending people there (from this and other sites) saying How much for a mazzer mini? Oh, mattyj from coffeesnobs said you sold it for $130 less than that...

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    Oh ... and come to think of it, someone told me that danes sold me the grinder that cheap because I had coffee there regularly enough to be recognisable, and because someone there thought that I bought an ecm giotto from them.

    Oops! Should I go back and give them $130???

    Nah ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyj link=1124275179/0#13 date=1153140742
    I hear what youre saying lochness - theres good reason to pay a higher price if you know that after sales service will be top notch.<snip>

    And yeah, I didnt buy from a site sponsor, but I did buy from a reputable dealer, who offered training, let me play with a grinder in the store, and who said if anything should ever go wrong, just bring it straight back and well fix it up for you. Theyre based locally, not likely to close down and leave me stranded any time soon.
    <snip>

    What I dont really agree with is using these forums to shop around; I think its best to do the leg work (searching for and contacting the vendors, asking lots of questions) yourself. <snip>
    A significant issue here, I think....

    There is nothing wrong whatsoever with doing the legwork and shoping around- people do it every day...However...What can irritate intensely is when a member spends hours with a sponsor (either via email, phone or in person) discussing pros and cons, ad infinitum. Suddenly, the frequent emails or calls disappear and then there is no response whatsoever to follow-up communication...

    Some time later, said sponsor finds out that the person concerned has purchased the unit discussed from another outlet (perhaps saving a few dollars), perhaps without even the support of a warranty andwithout even paying us the courtesy to allow us look at "the deal" to see if we are able to price match...

    When that person returns for advice- perhaps because they chose to purchase a box rather than a package, we as sponsors feel as if we have been comprehensively shafted, and if the response is somewhat delayed, blunt or non-exisitent, its probably well and truely justified IMHO.

    Fortunately, this might only happen once a week or fortnight...but- it does happen and it is incredibly irritating.

    So guys, play fair.... We just ask for a fair margin- nobody works for nothing and its unfair when the minority expects sponsors to do exactly that...

    End of rant! *:)

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    ^The retail business can be fickle, 2mcm! I know what youre talking about and it constantly amazes me how people can take up the time of sales people and not even come close to making a purchase, then or ever!

    I try to only get information I need and be as precise and succinct as possible. If Im not interested making a purchase, I will indicate pretty early that that is the case. Hence the internet is useful to me. I can research to my hearts delight on a product and when the time comes, take my information and do the legwork on finding out prices. I dont need to take up salespeoples time because I can straight away say to them "Im looking, and I know what Im looking for." Generally, this helps them to do their job because they arent wasting time giving me information I already have.

    We have a good friend who is the best salesperson in Australia for a certain type of green tractor ;), he is full of stories about farmers who get him to do the whole quote thing for them and then just walk away from the sale. So, I guess that it doesnt matter what level of sales you are at, there are still people who will waste your time! Its a fact of life and I guess that this kind of customer is not going to go away quickly! But the good sales more than make up for them I am sure!

    And I know it can be frustrating for you, because you cant treat them any differently as you just never know if they are going to fork out the 400 grand for that big tractor or the 3 bucks for the coffee. ;)

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    I hear your frustration 2mcm!

    And youre right, you guys arent like the sales people in a department store - youre more involved in your businesses than that, and supporting members of this community. its only fair then that we, when we start to shop, play fair.

    And I guess it goes without saying, that if you dont shop with a site sponsor (which is ok), make sure that youre going to get a good deal in terms of after sales service. Dont run back to the people who helped you after you shafted them, wanting more help!

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    I know a retailers who consider CS type people difficult to deal with. Not in an interpersonal sense though but people who can potentially consume a lot of time then walk away if the price isnt right.

    Most people on the forum are reasonably knowledgeable and computer literate and have some confidence in purchasing items over the internet.

    I have for example purchased a lot of motorcycle accessories over the internet from the USA. In this case there can be a lot of incentive, like a 40% savings on some expensive items over buying it here. You also have much greater choice of parts and to top it off, end up getting your parts quicker and easier (just a trip to the post office to pick it up).

    I dont see the same advantages though with appliances generally. I personally wont quibble about paying more and buying locally. The problem is in Perth though that you often have to mail order anyway.

    There is also the second hand market, I look a lot in the quokka here in Perth on the internet which is how I got the Bezzera.

    I think it is smart to look for ways of saving money but the margins on most of this equipment is not that high anyway so I will buy local, if I can and maybe pay a bit more.

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    Mazzer in Italy has not delivered a Mazzer Mini (either standard dosing grinder or electronic dosing versions) to its major Australian Distributors (such as Saeco, Diamond Services) for some time, my understanding is that if they dont get their next orders out of factory prior to Italy closing down for Summer Holidays we wont see any significant stock in Australia till Sept/Oct.

    So I wouldnt be expecting any significant price cutting on remaining stocks of Mazzer Minis by those suppliers with stocks - theywould be crazy.

    So if you are desparate for a grinder in that size and capacity you may need to look at Macap, Rockys or Compak.

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    And there you go......

    following on from above......

    My Rockies arrived last week (yes direct from rancilio), and

    my Macap M5s & M4s are in port awaiting customs clearance right now ( hoping to get a nice chrome MC4 to take to aromafest with me but could be touch & go to get the container delivered to us by Friday) and

    my next consignment of Macaps leaves the factory within 10 days because after that they will close down for the August holidays and there will be no more stock consigned until they re open 4 weeks later!

    Oh happy days...the stock is here!

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    I work in the IT industry and we get a fair bit of tyre-kicking too. Clients want a proposal, then want detailed architecture, then will just take that and try and implement it themselves. Or they shop around to all the other integrators around town to try and get free advice. The art is giving someone enough of a "taste" that they come back to you. Weve also had clients take our proposal, give it to one of these accountancy-turned-"business consultant" practices and have them put it out to tender.

    Some retailers do go on the defence (or offence) when dealing with a CS-type person: perhaps they feel that theyve lost the power (we all know that knowledge is power) and dont like that, because it means that they need to work to get the customers business, and cant just baffle the customer and steer them towards their preferred brand/model. But the same could be said of lots of businesses.

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    Have you any Macaps in the shop yet? *Love to come and have a look. 8-)


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    Another issue is that it seems to me incredibly difficult to get good advice on this level of machines. Who do you listen to and who do you not listen to? What differences between machines are significant and what are not? How do you find out?

    Of course, the best way to find out what suits your needs best is to go and actually use the things. All of the models under consideration. Head to head on the same machine, with the same coffee. But, precisely because of the shop and leave attitude that Chris was talking about, there are few people that are set up to do this. Which makes sense. This sort of a trial is a real service provided to customers that they should be prepared to pay for, not just expect to be provided with, then drive off and save $20 or whatever. So maybe vendors should think about offering this sort of thing as a service that you pay for. $50 or so for an hours demo of different coffees on different machines with different grinders. When were talking a $2500 + spend, its only a 2% investment to make sure that you get the right returns. But this might be an example of coffeesnob logic vs business commonsense!

    Cheers,

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    FunkyBrew..thanks for the enquiry. The container should have been released to the transport depot today or maybe tomorrow morning (will telephone them tomorrow & see what gives), so we should have the goods in store by Tuesday. *Heres hoping.

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    Still no Mazzer Minis (either traditional dosing or electronic versions) in Australia as far as I can tell.

    Italy has closed down for August Summer Holidays - wouldnt expect to see any stock till October at the earliest, unless Mazzer got stock out prior to Summer shutdown.

    If anyone has got any news on stock or availability of Mazzer Minis - (either version) it would be useful to hear.


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    A few Mazzers arrived in OZ last week and I got some of those I had ordered yesterday...and theyre all gone- there may be a few more later in the week, if Im lucky...

    In the meantime, if you can find one you will probably have to pay full tote odds...

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    Re: Mini Maz - best price

    I recently shopped around for a 5 day holiday.
    It was going to be either Southe Molle or Vanuatu.
    Vanuatu got ruled out because I didnt feel like arriving at 1am and then still have to shuttle it to the hotel.
    For a start Id be paying for that nights accomodation. Sheesh!

    Anyway, during my research when it looked like Sth Molle might be the go I was lucky to find a nice young lady that seemed to be going the extra mile.
    Long story short, I made sure I got her name and direct number so that when I called back I didnt just land in the queue and end up giving my business to a "lucky" operator.

    She did the work, she got the sale!

    It shouldnt matter what the item is.
    Its only fair to reward the right person with the sale.

    It pays off for the buyer too.

    I had a minor glitch while waiting for the boat to transfer me to the island, so I called her and it was sorted within 10 minutes.



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