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    Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

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    Howdy folks,

    Im looking at purchasing my first electric grinder. Budget is $200.

    Im leaning toward the Nemox after the "problems" people have posted about the grind consistency of the Sunbeam. I can get the Nemox for $200, but I can also get the Sunbeam for $155 from the Good guys.

    So, my questions are:
    1. Does the Nemox suffer from the same grind consistency problems as the Sunbeam?

    2. Which one would you chose?

    3. Does anyone own both?

    4. Are there any bad points about the Nemox compared to the Sunbeam, other than $$$.

    Cant wait to grind my way to espresso heaven, I can hear that grinder whizzing now....

    Cheers
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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    $200 for a lux ... guess that they have fallen in price since the sunbeams came out ...

    In terms of durability, I have heard reports of six year-old luxes being fine. Consistency and grind quality should be more or less identical; they have the same burr sets.

    Personally, for espresso, I would avoid both of these grinders like the plague and would extend the budget to the iberital challenge. The same burr set is in all of these grinders, but the iberital has a stepless worm drive adjustment. I have borrowed a friends lux for french press on trips and it was sensational for that purpose. The lux is a bit smaller, so probably more convenient if you want to travel with it, but Id probably go for the sunbeam for the $$$.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    Being the owner of a Lux I would agree that its not quite up to scratch for espresso. Its still better than buying ground coffee, but if you can afford something a bit better like the iberital Luca mentioned, then youll be much better off.

    I bought the Lux purely because I found a second hand one going cheap and I needed something in a hurry. Ive not had it six months and already im suffering upgraditis ;)

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    RE: the stepless adjustment on the iberital challenge - cant you just alter the tamp pressure or have you found in your experience this isnt good enough i.e. too much of a difference between grind steps?

    $200 was THE MOST I wanted to spend, but ...whats the damage $$$ for the iberital challenge and wheres the best place to check one out/pick one up in Melbourne?

    Cheers
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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen link=1160632634/0#3 date=1160723319
    RE: the stepless adjustment on the iberital challenge - cant you just alter the tamp pressure or have you found in your experience this isnt good enough i.e. too much of a difference between grind steps?
    Javabeen
    Well you can but...

    The best practice is to keep the tamp pressure the same and ALWAYS do it exactly the same way. If you dont there is a far greater risk of channeling and other things being "not quite right" with the coffee puck.

    It is hard enough to maintain a constant 15kg tamp pressure without having to go up a bit or down a bit!!

    However you do need to adjust the grind as the bean ages or even to compensate for changes in the humidity etc....

    Ideally a stepless grinder is the way to do this.... You can also use a stepped grinder (but the steps have to be small to be effective) or just put up with less than the best quality espresso..

    If you do the latter... pour until blonding starts and then stop.... you might only have 20ml of espresso - but it will taste good... extract any more and you will just add a real bitter and unpleasant taste to your espresso.

    Always get the best grinder you can afford - a good grinder is more important to the production of quality espresso than the machine ;)!!

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen link=1160632634/0#3 date=1160723319
    RE: the stepless adjustment on the iberital challenge - cant you just alter the tamp pressure or have you found in your experience this isnt good enough i.e. too much of a difference between grind steps?
    Yep, Mal is right on the money.

    I havent really found tamp pressure to change the pour time very much. To compensate for steps, you basically need to experiment with dosing up and dosing down. However, maintaining a consistent pour time with one dose is difficult enough.

    I picked up a stopwatch last week for a barista comp that I was helping to run and, as I had some coffee that was just past it and a measuring shotglass, I decided to see how consistent I am. The time for my three shots, with a standardised and very easy to replicate dose (dose, strike off level, settle by rapping five times on the counter, dose, strike off level, tamp), was within two seconds. Now, three shots is nowhere near statistically significant, but it gives us some numbers to play around with. With that very repeatable dose, you could expect to be able to use a stepless grinder to dial a shot in to within two seconds of what you want.

    Reports of how far apart the steps on various grinders are differ greatly, but I think that it would be quite conservative to say that the lux would give you eight seconds either way. So the iberital would give you 4x more resolution. Given how finnicky espresso is, I think that that is well worth it.

    (Of course, all of those arent numbers with heaps of statistics to back them up, but I do think that they are illustrative of the point that I want to make.)

    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen link=1160632634/0#3 date=1160723319
    $200 was THE MOST I wanted to spend, but ...whats the damage $$$ for the iberital challenge and wheres the best place to check one out/pick one up in Melbourne?
    I think that the RRP for the iberital is somewhere between $240 and $280. Of the site sponsors, Veneziano and Talk Coffee should be able to hook you up. From memory, the Expobar importer imports the iberitals, so anyone who sells expobar should be able to hook you up. That said, I, personally, would try to be discerning in buying from a vendor that can offer support if anything plays up. Chris can dis-assemble and re-assemble pretty much anything to do with coffee like an army cadet with a rifle and Veneziano has dedicated tech guys that maintain fleets of comemrcial equipment, so you can feel safe buying from either of them. (Sidebar: Veneziano are nearly ready to commission the building next door, which they acquired earlier this year, and they have set aside a huge room as their tech workshop!)

    Just so that you know, I will shortly be working for Veneziano. Pete, Venezianos roaster (firstcrack on CS), was telling me the other day that he has a two-group commercial machine at home and has paired it with an iberital challenge! Wierd. If I were him, Id have nicked one of the spare mazzers thats always floating around ;P

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1160632634/0#5 date=1160729136
    Yep, Mal is right on the money.
    Whatd I say? :-?

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    Telepathy mate, telepathy...

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    No, it was just a general statement ;P

    Meant Java ... Im obviously too used to agreeing with Mal

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    OK folks, havent made a post in a while to this.

    The Sunbeam is working very very well indeed. In fact it rocks. I had some 3 week old beans that I tried yesterday and managed to pull an amazing espresso from them thanks to the grinder. First I left the grind setting where it was at 20 and pulled a decent shot from those beans, a little fast at 20 secs for a shot. Then I dialled in one step finer on the grind setting and bam, out came a magnificent shot, around the 26 sec mark.

    My dad was around yesterday and I was going on about the bean roast I did the other day. Ive just started down the roasting path. Dialled in 20 on the grinder and bam, again, another magnificent shot.

    For $155, its an excellent piece of equipment. The only down side is theres a lot of left over coffee grinds in there. I pulled it apart the other day for a clean and was quite shocked at how much grinds were in there, and I tap it and run the grinder for a while after Ive finished grinding. I find theres a need to get something up the shoot after youre done with it for the day to clean out any left over grinds. I shove the handle of a tea spoon up there, pull it out, give the grinder a buzz, and repeat a couple of times. Now part of my daily cleaning ritual :-)

    What are other peoples experiences with the left over grinds in the Sunbeam?

    Javabeen.

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen link=1160632634/0#9 date=1162257682
    What are other peoples experiences with the left over grinds in the Sunbeam?
    Have a look at this thread: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1161559534/12#12

    The Click-Clack lids are good if they fit or else the pump idea works too.

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    javabeen, I agree... its a awesome grinder for the money... no complaints from me, Im getting outstanding results :-)

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    Re: Nemox Lux or Sunbeam EM0480?

    For the record.....

    the "landed" COST of the Iberital Challenge went up markedly a shortwhile ago and the RRP is around the $300.00 mark.

    This is not unusual, the landed cost of just about all grinders and espresso machines has gone up markedly in the last few months due to the increase in the cost of raw materials used.

    The Challenge is way superior to the lux, the RRp of which is not much cheaper. If the lux is comparable to the sunbean, then maybe this means the lux is exi (when compared to the price of the sunbean), but the higher cost of the challenge is justified.

    Quality costs!

    We sell a lot of Challenge grinders and look after CS members.

    Regardz,
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