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    anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    as the title said - anyone has any experience or feedback on Faema (Family) grinder?

    saw a second hand one, and since Im on a limited budget now (self imposed - what was I thinking ::) this maybe a good buy??
    How do you compared it with Gaggia MDF or Rocky (all stepped adjustment I believe)
    Or compared to Iberital Challange which I have been saving to buy?
    Currently still using Delonghi KG100 paired with Silvia - not great I know but it works and its not bad at all actually.

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    Forget the iberital challenge. (thats a full stop...rethinking...!!! better)
    I dont know about that particular grinder but anything is better than the iberital, at that price sunbeam is a better grind and value.
    That is my unhumble and emphatic opinion, and you can take it to the bank.

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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    " ...anything is better than the iberital ..."

    Why? Just curious ...

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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidHeaven link=1156816865/0#1 date=1156844901
    Forget the iberital challenge. (thats a full stop...rethinking...!!! better)
    I dont know about that particular grinder but anything is better than the iberital, at that price sunbeam is a better grind and value.
    That is my unhumble and emphatic opinion, and you can take it to the bank.
    Sorry LH, but that respectfully habe to disagree on that one...

    The Iberital is far superior to the sunbeam...no contest...

    2mcm

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    Thats cool 2mcm... :)
    But thats not going to change my opinion in any lifetime Im living. *:P

    The Iberital is plastic to start the ball rolling... it has a plastic knob thats falls off, the plastic button on the doserless falls off, the grind adjustment.. well the fact that its meant to be stepless is worthless in its operation because it adjusts so poorly, its light meaning the motor is light and to say it politely inexpensive, its pretty noisy (youd be surprised), *the grind consistancy..... etc. etc. Two words cheap plastic. >:(

    Look check out the sunbeam google it, try it. It is very very good unless you want to spend the big bucks its the only one that I can honestly recommend. There are large steps on it but realitically you can deal with this and it isnt the problem some make it out the be. Unless you are a pro and make heaps of coffee then its fine. The design is better the motor is better it metal not plastic, uses Lux burrs. Won heaps of awards, same grind as the more expensive home conical grinders. It has the best of all warranties.

    When paying that much money for the iberital grinder its overpriced. *I cant understand why people would buy it at all. *:o



    Heres the grinder:
    http://www.iberital.com/home/index.asp?lang=I

    Heres CG reviews:
    http://www.coffeegeek.com/reviews/grinders/iberital_grinders

    I dont sell anything, ask a sponsor if they sell the sunbeam, some might and if they do then you may get a different opinion.
    Ive used both. You should do the same.

    I will stand by my comment because they are sincere.
    Best of Luck,
    LH

    Oh yeah...

    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeamgrinder.html

    P.S. suggest you do your research *;)

    PPS sorry if this thread is hijacked because of my comment. It is about the Faema grinder.

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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    Good to have your own viewpoint LH- however youre in a huge minority here....

    You will find that the sponsors dont stock em (Sunbeam) as the steps are too large to be truely useful as an espresso grinder. They are a great grinder though (plunger/percolator/drip) and perhaps the new model may solve the shortcomings of the current one and become a category killer.

    To those interested, I suggest that you do your homework and do a search here to gauge general opinion. No barista or industry professional would be satisfied with a Sunbeam at home Im afraid...At least the Iberital allows for stepless adjustment- which in this case is a whole heap better than the leaps with the Sunbeam....but these are all at the "toy" end of the market in that they involve significant compromise... They are however good fun to play with until you can afford a real grinder...

    If you really wanna talk of a useful grinder though, open the bidding at the rocky doserless....The bottom line is that you gets what you pays for....

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    St33p, I dont know anything about the grinder, but if it is a stepped model badged to go with their family machine, I think that its a fair bet that the steps are probably way to far apart. Before you even think of buying it, I think that you should check and see if parts are available. At a minimum, you will probably want to buy new burrs for the grinder, but you also want to be able to get parts if something goes wrong.

    LH, were your comments based on your use of the grinder with a pressurised portafilter? If so, Id find them questionable. I find your comments particularly interesting, seeing as there is a hell of a lot of rebranding and common parts supply going on in the espresso game. I would not be surprised one iota if the iberital grinder and the sunbeam grinder had identical burrs from the same factory and if they used motors of identical specs.

    As for plastic, what do you expect for that much money? Lets not forget that anyone can put metal on the outside of a crappy machine to make it look much higher quality. God knows that Ive used a lot of machines like that! Case in point would be the breville 800 series; identical statistics to a $100 thermoblock, but the SS body makes it sell for $300 more. Personally, I would much rather have an iberital with plastic on the outside than a sunbeam with metal on the outside and plastic tabs on the burr carrier, where it counts, that will likely break! (http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeamgrinder.html)

    Good onya for sticking to your opinion and reporting your experiences. Thats what makes sites like this great!

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    Re Faema Family grinder - very old - no support that I know of (but of course I have been known to make mistakes from time to time). I personally wouldnt touch it. Let someone else take it to the dump rather than you pay for the privelege to take it there for the vendor after buying it from him.

    Re Iberital Challenge, I appreciate you say your comments are sincere, but nevertheless I can advise that we get virtually NO returns. Its very sturdy (heavier than the others in the similar market bracket by a good kilo or more in some cases), it works well (for the price), and gives grind consistency good enough to use it with commercial equipment. I dont know where your conflicting information comes from.

    From my point of view, the price is just right, inbetween the cheapies that dont work as well for whatever reason, and the more expensive commercial type grinders. Its actually very well "positioned".

    Yes the button on the front falls off (just like they do on all the similar type grinders). Yes, you super glue it straight back on and treat it (the button) gentle not rough. I dont understand your comments on "plasticity" *or what relevance they have. There is less plastic on this model than others competing, has a stainless steel body on a plastic base & as far as I know the grinders internal working assembly has the usual a metal frame & the burrs are also the same as used in the Lux. Its heavier weight than similar competing grinders makes it far easier to use than than the others...ie you can push against the button and activate the grinding process without fear of tipping the grinder over backwards, or having it vibrate around the bench as some others do...

    Yes its noisy, just like all the other grinders that use the same motor and burr assembly. But so are the macaps & mazzers & gino rossi commercials that take turns on my workbench. The pitch is different, but the decibels are probably greater, certainly as the burrs wear!

    The stepless adjuster has a very fine worm. It therefore takes a lot of turning initially to get it set up. We almost always do this for the client when we sell and after that, you virtually leave it where it is with much smaller changes to be made from time to time or when changing the blend.

    Yes, many other vendors dont set it up like we do initiALLY and that leaves the clients in the lurch, but thats the quality of after sale service not the fault of the grinder. All conical burr grinders require a lot of movement to make small adjustments (compared to flat burr grinders where small movements give instant results because the flats move directly away from eachother upon adjustment), simply because of the conical nature of the burrs themselves.

    Beware of equipment that is said to have won awards, lest that equipment has done so on the basis of appearing to give a high level of service in a CHEAPER price than you would normally expect to find that level of service. We often find that the cheapness is the reason for the "award" ie it appears to give "value for money". Look beyond the "value for money" aspect.

    These are also sincere comments tempered with real sales & set up of countless units in the local market and dealing with the clients on a long term continuing basis as they come back regularly to buy beans. Not interested in "reviews" found in special interest web sites which in many cases are full of mis-information that either obstructs the sale of some good equipment, or results in booming business for some substandard equipment.

    Actually, we rather like the Iberital as we hate selling thngs that come back and bite us...these dont.

    Regardz,
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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1156816865/0#7 date=1156860790
    Beware of equipment that is said to have won awards, lest that equipment has done so on the basis of appearing to give a high level of service in a CHEAPER price than you would normally expect to find that level of service. We often find that the cheapness is the reason for the "award" ie it appears to give "value for money". Look beyond the "value for money" aspect.
    I think it also pays to take notice of just where this award comes from and who is putting up the award. Awards provided by respected industry icons have a lot more weight than some coffee, jump on the band-wagon wannabes. Sometimes they are not worth the time it takes to read what it says on the plaque (if it even has one)....

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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    Thanks luca and FC for the reply.
    I did find parts for the grinder on coffeeparts - the burr alone $42
    That brings it close to the price of brand new Iberital.
    But then if the grind settings are too far apart Ill pass.
    So I guess Ill keep saving then.

    To others - Id say having a smaller steps for adjusting the grind is important (stepless is better again)
    Unless you really know how to up/down the dose.
    Thats the difficulties that I have with the KG100 - the steps are too big and sometimes I have to hold it while it grinds to have a in between.
    I noticed especially for a fresh roasted coffee - day 2 and day 3 after roast can be a lot different in grind settings. After that it sort of "settle down" up to day 7 which by then Ill be having a new roasted batch again. Anyone else notice the same?

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    I had a laugh, I knew that mentioning that it had won something would be like the scent of blood to sharks. Ah... Makes me appreciate the snobs here, its the right place to be. I should have left the awards part out, because it is irrelevant. The award had nothing to do with price, just design.

    Before you eventually knock it, look at who gave the award:
    http://www.designawards.com.au/ADA/05-06/Consumer/085/085.htm

    I dont own one and will never own one. But credit is due and recognition for what it is... a solid grinder at the right price.

    Lets be serious what is a grinder? casing motor and burrs... a juice extractor is cheaper and costs more to produce, doesnt take a genius to figure it out, yet why are comsumers will to pay that much more. Why?

    Sunbeam has produced a decent grinder, they also do reasonable blenders, extractors, and other domestic appliances I dont like their coffee machines but hey... *Sure they are no robocoup, hobart, hamilton beach, la marzocco, mazzer on commercial quality BUT it is what it is. IMO great. But Sunbeam is bad for a business as it means competition.

    If you want to talk quality talk about mazzers and macaps, but when it comes to the iberital and the sunbeam, your going to need an act like David Copperfield to make me believe otherwise. Then I really would begin to doubt my senses with a trick like that.

    PS. used grinder on an E61. But the eyes, ear and feel have it.

    PPS. FC, have you get sold the grinder to know if it has "bitten you"? Because it is a bold claim.

    Re STEPS: ok yes there is a problem with steps but dialing a grinder and knowing exactly how much on a day to day basis still uses a fair amount *of guesswork, you go on what you know about the beans (age etc), humidity a, burrs, and what your senses tell you fineness, it can take a shots worth of coffee on ANY grinder before you can find something useable. Then you will vary according to extraction... and at the end of the day tamping, updosing, etc. is the a bigger critical factor than the sunbeam. Use both grinders first before coming to a conclusion, the iberital is not what it is crack up to be with the stepless knob, if you use them both youll quickly see what I mean.

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    Re: anyone have experience with Faema grinder?

    I think the bottom line is that they make a pretty good toaster....I know as I have one! ;)

    We have debated the pros and cons here...buyers note that although the Sunbeam may look sturdy, Luca is correct when he discusses the build of the Sunbeam. In addition, FC also has long experience with the Iberital as a sales outlet of that particular grinder and his opinon has significant value....

    The bottom line is that if a machine or grinder is junk, it will come back to a dealer and bite....and many have been bitten by by design award winners...

    As always, CAVEAT EMPTOR.....

    With that, I think enough has been said on this topic...so... before we potentially enter into a slanging match, Ima lockin her down... ;)



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