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    Hey there! Just curious whether anyone has come across this new Sunbeam grinder. *

    I was googling the EM0480 and found this on their website. *You have to click kitchen appliances then beverage makers then accessories (or the following link)

    http://www.sunbeam.com.au/products/product_details.cfm?rec_id=659&sec_id=33&home_id=2

    Obviously not part of the cafe series but I have the suspicion it might be the same grinder!! *Perhaps this is the proletariat version. *Either way it is perhaps a bit smaller for home use. *Anyone in the trade have some inside information? * ;)

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    Gday gupa,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs there mate [smiley=thumbsup.gif].

    Actually, there was one of these for sale not that long ago and from memory the owner wasnt very impressed with it so I would be wary of buying one, unless it was just for Plunger, Stove-top use etc. If you need a grinder for espresso use - in the short term - then the EMO480 will perform as a stop-gap grinder until such time as you can afford something that is more purposefully designed. As with everything though, its all horses for courses and what your budget can withstand but a Grinder of the ilk of a Mazzer Mini, ECM Best, Macap 4/5, La Cimbali Cadet are built to last a lifetime of domestic duty and as such would be the last grinder you would ever need to buy. All the best,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Actually, I think this is the updated model to the EM0480...Conical burrs etc... But doesnt have the "Paul Bassett" signature... interesting....I would want it demonstrated before I bought it...

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    I gave Sunbeam a call today - apparently the EM0450 is the same as the EM0480 apart from the housing / enclosure!! That is from one of the customer service people, so it is not written in gold. Having said that, the specs on the website look pretty similiar.

    The EM0450 is $159 list price on the website - I wonder what someone can get it for cash!! This has got to be putting the cats amongst the Rocky pigeons... if only the name had any street cred. :)

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    Good find. Ive been looking at getting a grinder myself recently, and had been looking along the solis 166 line, but I might hold off for a little bit to see what this little bumber ends up selling for. Keep an eye out for who is actually selling it yet.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Solis 166... No no in my book... especially for what they go for... The Em0480 for $30 more is miles better... I suspect the EM0450 would be as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1161409619/0#5 date=1161640291
    Solis 166... No no in my book...
    Agreed - dont get a Solis (unless you are looking for a grinder for other than espresso)...

    For espresso the 166 doesnt make the grade!

    Always buy the best grinder you can afford - this is more important than the actual coffee machine.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Really? I have read a number of reviews that say the solis 166 is alright for expresso - not excellent, but alright. Im only using it with a sunbeam 4800 (cafe crema).

    Plus, Im on a pretty tight budget. It might depend on how much the shops end up selling this 0450 for. I think I can get a DeLonghi KG100 for about $100, and I cant spend much more than that. Ill have to wait and see, I guess. The 0450 does look good, and the fact that it has replaceable burrs would surely add to its longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud McDoug link=1161409619/0#7 date=1161654237
    Really? I have read a number of reviews that say the solis 166 is alright for expresso - not excellent, but alright. Im only using it with a sunbeam 4800 (cafe crema).
    I have one - now used only for plunger!! The Solis 166 AKA Delonghi KG100 can be tweaked to grind a bit finer (barely adequate for any espresso machine out of the box)

    BUT...

    It produces a very inconsistent grind (lots of dust) on the lower settings.... :(

    With a Solis SL90 machine and the 166 grinder I made passable espresso if I used the pressurised baskets... normal basket and it was very poor!

    Replaced it with the La Cimbali grinder..... and I thought Id bought a whole new coffee machine...

    (By the way, there are many excellent grinders far cheaper than the La Cimbali ..... but the KG100/ Solis 166 isnt one of them ;))

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    JavaB is correct.. it isnt good enough for espresso... no matter what you read.... pressurised baskets or not, you cant disguise a pour grind...

    JavaB and myself personally can testify as we own it... honestly, spend the extra... you wont regret it...! not only that, the Sunbeam grinder the Burrset is replaceable... the 166 isnt.

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    In that case I might wait to see how much the 0450 gets sold for. But unless its significantly less than the listed RRP, I think Ill have to settle for the solis. Ill cross my fingers. :)

    Does anyone know if the 0450 is even out on shelves yet?

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    No idea...

    you should get a good cash price for it though.... Keep your eye on the Good Guys... they always offer good cash deals...

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    Sounds like a good plan.

    Shout out if anyone sees one around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1161409619/0#1 date=1161439281
    Actually, there was one of these for sale not that long ago and from memory the owner wasnt very impressed with it so I would be wary of buying one, unless it was just for Plunger, Stove-top use etc. If you need a grinder for espresso use - in the short term - then the EMO480 will perform as a stop-gap grinder until such time as you can afford something that is more purposefully designed. As with everything though, its all horses for courses and what your budget can withstand but a Grinder of the ilk of a Mazzer Mini, ECM Best, Macap 4/5, La Cimbali Cadet are built to last a lifetime of domestic duty and as such would be the last grinder you would ever need to buy.
    Just to add weight to what I said above,

    This grinder is apparently already available and is classified at a lower price point than the EMO480 so I would expect there to be some level of deficiency from the EMO450 compared to the other. The fact that a member owned one and wanted to sell it as a Plunger/Drip grinder probably says more about its potential as an espresso grinder. As with everything, before parting with the hard-earned you really do need to suss out the capabilities and performance of the grinder. Get them to give you a demo of it, bring your own beans with you to try out, check its performance at the lower(est) settings where you will be using it for espresso and see if the cuttings are nice and gritty and sharp..... not just ground up beans with a large percentage of dust. Its your money so make sure you get what you expect,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1161409619/0#13 date=1161676585
    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1161409619/0#1 date=1161439281
    Actually, there was one of these for sale not that long ago and from memory the owner wasnt very impressed with it so I would be wary of buying one, unless it was just for Plunger, Stove-top use etc. If you need a grinder for espresso use - in the short term - then the EMO480 will perform as a stop-gap grinder until such time as you can afford something that is more purposefully designed. As with everything though, its all horses for courses and what your budget can withstand but a Grinder of the ilk of a Mazzer Mini, ECM Best, Macap 4/5, La Cimbali Cadet are built to last a lifetime of domestic duty and as such would be the last grinder you would ever need to buy.
    Just to add weight to what I said above,

    This grinder is apparently already available and is classified at a lower price point than the EMO480 so I would expect there to be some level of deficiency from the EMO450 compared to the other. The fact that a member owned one and wanted to sell it as a Plunger/Drip grinder probably says more about its potential as an espresso grinder. As with everything, before parting with the hard-earned you really do need to suss out the capabilities and performance of the grinder. Get them to give you a demo of it, bring your own beans with you to try out, check its performance at the lower(est) settings where you will be using it for espresso and see if the cuttings are nice and gritty and sharp..... not just ground up beans with a large percentage of dust. Its your money so make sure you get what you expect,

    Cheers,
    Mal.
    Mal, I think that you are getting confused with the EM0430 that was sold in the Coffee Hardware for Sale thread: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1155017541 The EM0450 is apparently (from what someone has said in this thread) very similar, if not identical, in grinding ability to the EM0480. It has only just been released according to the Sunbeam website and I dont think any CSers have tried it yet.

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    Ah ok BM,

    I stand corrected. Thank you kindly,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Just on this...

    Having a look on the Sunbeam site the only real differences (besides appearance) is the 5 year motor warrantee on the EM0480... No mention of such a Warrantee on the EM0450. Looks the same otherwise... and if it is...WOW.... what a bargin! Need to see it in the flesh though... perhaps the housing isnt Solid Metal like the EM0480 - who knows...

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Were not the only ones getting confused - I emailed Sunbeam and they initially confused the EM0450 and the 430 as well!
    The following is from the Sunbeam customer service dept (after I requested clarification):-

    xxxx,
    I apologise I did think EM0430

    The EM0450 is very similar to the EM0480 although EM0480 has
    the 30 grind settings and full metal body.

    Regards,
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    Poppy has been busy today.... she emailed me in response to my EM0480 problems..... although her reply was to call the 1800 number.....

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    I dropped into Harvey Norman yesterday, and they are the first place Ive seen that are stocking the 0450 so far. Had a look at it next to the 0480, and they do indeed look exactly the same.

    The only differences I could tell on inspection:
    1. Plastic body instead of metal
    2. The bean holder in clear instead of tinted
    2. The tray underneath the outlet is a bit different (but still removable)

    As far as I could tell, the burrset was the same, etc.

    They are pricing it at rrp of $159, but pretty quicly offered it to me for $137. They could probably be beaten down a little more with a bit of effort - I wasnt planning to buy anything yesterday anyway.

    But it looks like this is the grinder to buy for us tight-arses. It might pay to wait a few months though until others get it in stock and may do a better price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gupayami link=1161409619/15#17 date=1161745281
    The EM0450 is very similar to the EM0480 although EM0480 has
    the 30 grind settings and full metal body.
    The sunbeam webpage lists 24 grind settings for the EM0480 and 25 for the EM0450. This might refer to how many marked settings there are, rather than how many actual settings there are - I remember someone saying that the grinder can be adjusted outside the marked range.

    The grinds tray looks a bit more practical ... in fact, it looks like a ripoff of the mazzer mini tray.

    I wonder if it has that nice metal on/off toggle switch. I know that its not a huge deal, functionally, but that was my favourite part of the machine, dammnit!

    It looks to be very good value for anything except for espresso.

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    I wonder if it has that nice metal on/off toggle switch. I know that its not a huge deal, functionally, but that was my favourite part of the machine, dammnit!
    The switch appears to be exactly the same, from what I could tell. Also, from a brief look, it appeared to have the same number of grind settings, also.

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    Just had a look at Myer today - they had the EM0450 and the EM0480 side by side. My first impression is that their size is very similiar indeed. The bean holder on top is certainly the same size. I would not say that the EM0480 cafe series appearance looks that much nicer than the EM0450, though this is just my humble opinion. I could not see the metal on-off switch on the EM0450 - it appears to not have a on-off switch at all. The EM0450 was $159 and EM0480 $199 as per above post.

    One good thing for home use - the tray of the EM0450 was completely removable, and thus it takes less kitchen real estate with the tray off. For those in apartments such as myself this is definitely important. Have to leave space for the Silvia (when I can afford it)... back to my $15 Moka Pot...

    ps will someone please buy this bas***d and review it?!! Massive street cred will no doubt result.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by gupayami link=1161409619/15#22 date=1163318113
    Just had a look at Myer today - they had the EM0450 and the EM0480 side by side. <snip> The EM0450 was $159 and EM0480 $199 as per above post.

    One good thing for home use - the tray of the EM0450 was completely removable, and thus it takes less kitchen real estate with the tray off. For those in apartments such as myself this is definitely important. Have to leave space for the Silvia (when I can afford it)... back to my $15 Moka Pot...
    Gupa,

    If you are planning on getting a Silvia down the track, then forget about these Sunbeams. I bought a Silvia a little while ago, only to quickly realise that it is worthless without a grinder that will do it justice. After some discussion I decided to get the Iberital Challenge, and I have been very happy with it. You can read some reviews of it here. You may save $100 for now by getting the Sunbeam, but then youll end up having to replace it once you get the Silvia, so youll lose money in the long run.

    My 2 cents, from one beginner to another.

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    I am happy with my Iberital as well. But you would really need to think through whether you will just use yoru grinder for your espresso machine when you get it or will also use plunger or..... If that is the case than wouldnt recommend the Challenge due to the hassle it is to change for multiple grind purpsoes. But I am sure there would be others around this same price range that might suit yoru purpose but is obvioulsy a jump from the sunbeam. But you may possibly have to go up from the sunbeam if you plan to use it for a silvia. I am not a silvia owner but there are plenty around to tell you how successful a particular grinder may be. Site sponsors will know what works best for your purpsoes though. Which would rule out the sunbeam if you do that. But worth contacting them and you may find for not too much more coin you will get something that will suit you better.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Oh I dunno? :-?

    If the Sunbeam is what your budget currently allows then it will work with a Silvia et al, even if its only as an interim measure... There are plenty of CSers who have the Silvia/EMO480 combo working ok. Its not the ideal combination but you can always upgrade later on and keep the Sunbeam for Plunger duty, etc.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1161409619/15#25 date=1163429561
    Oh I dunno? :-?

    If the Sunbeam is what your budget currently allows then it will work with a Silvia et al, even if its only as an interim measure... There are plenty of CSers who have the Silvia/EMO480 combo working ok. Its not the ideal combination but you can always upgrade later on and keep the Sunbeam for Plunger duty, etc.

    Mal.
    I agree with Mal.... the only negative I know about is the steps arent fine... so you cant "fine fine" tune the grind. I can assure you the Sunbeam can grind fine enough! If I set my Sunbeam to 12, I get ultra fine power (not grinds)....Having said that, if your budget allows for it, stretch for the Ibertial - bypassing the Lux, for stepless grind adjustment.

    Note : I just spoke with Damien (Champion bloke) at Sunbeam and he assures me the EM450 innards are the same as the EM480 and the grind quality is the same - it just has less adjustments, plastic body and only grind on demand.

    All grinders have there place... your budget is the decider.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    I have the EM0450 and a Silvia and I am happy with the combination. I have found I have to grind on 16 and find that ok. Anything less than 15 and it gets a bit too fine. It may change in time though as it wears a bit.

    Differences I have found from the EM0480 are:-

    1) No on/off/auto switch, just power on at the wall and is always in auto mode.

    2) Silver plastic rather than s/s.

    3) Clear hopper, not tinted.

    4) The settings are marked as 1-25 but you still here clicks after 25, if I count them I can here 31 clicks in total as you wind around to the unlock point.

    5) Tray is different, a dark grey plastic that is fully removable.

    I spoke to a Sunbeam rep and she said it was exactly the same as the EM0480 except for the above mentioned points. This is what swayed me to purchase the 450 over the 480 as they werent important enough to warrant spending the extra money.


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    Good on ya dford99 [smiley=thumbsup.gif],

    Hope you have plenty of fun and some great brews with that combo 8-),

    All the best,
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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1161409619/15#26 date=1163464884
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    I agree with Mal.... the only negative I know about is the steps arent fine... so you cant "fine fine" tune the grind. I can assure you the Sunbeam can grind fine enough! *If I set my Sunbeam to 12, I get ultra fine power (not grinds)....Having said that, if your budget allows for it, stretch for the Ibertial - bypassing the Lux, for stepless grind adjustment.

    Note : I just spoke with Damien (Champion bloke) at Sunbeam and he assures me the EM450 innards are the same as the EM480 and the grind quality is the same - it just has less adjustments, plastic body and only grind on demand.

    All grinders have there place... your budget is the decider.

    Marc

    You have yours set on 15? *I need mine set on 5... *with a Gaggia Classic.

    There shouldnt be that much difference between a Classic and Silvia grind should there?

    Have you done any modifications to your grinder?

    Makes me think there might be something wrong with mine..... :-/


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Spelunx link=1161409619/15#29 date=1164279337


    You have yours set on 15? *I need mine set on 5... *with a Gaggia Classic.

    There shouldnt be that much difference between a Classic and Silvia grind should there?

    Have you done any modifications to your grinder?

    Makes me think there might be something wrong with mine..... :-/
    I chase mine around a bit depending on the beans, roast, freshness, etc. But based on the experiance of a few others with 0480s, the settings between different grinders can vary a bit. Dont be alarmed unless you need to go past 0...

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Yep,

    Matts on the money there [smiley=thumbsup.gif].... You cant compare actual settings between grinders (of the same make) as the marked Zero position may not be aligned with the true Zero of the grinder, i.e. when the burrs just touch.

    The graduations are only there as a relative position indicator so that the user has a reference from one grind level to another. As Matt says, so long as you dont find yourself having to push the setting over the wrong side of Zero, all should be well,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    So if one wanted to spend less than $200, what would people recommend??

    I have seen the DeLonghi KG100 in action, and it seems to produce a decent grind.

    I havent seen the Sunbeam 0480/0450 - how do they compare??

    Given that I am using a Krups dirty old Boiler machine at work, or a crappy Sunbeam machine at home....but I think a better grinder would help me get a little more mileage out of these machines. Although both behave as perfectly adequate caffeine delivery devices.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    Gday Shamus,
    just to throw a spanner into the works for you, are you thinking of upgrading any time in the future? If so, dont skimp on the grinder.
    If you get the best grinder you can afford, it will outlast several cycles of upgradeitis in the machine department. Otherwise, youll be wanting/having to upgrade your grinder if and when you decide to upgrade your machine/s.
    MattyJ had a Sunbeam machine (if memory serves me correctly) paired with a Mazzer grinder, and has since upgraded the machine, but the grinder remains the same.
    If you dont want to upgrade at any time, I think the Sunbeam 0450/0480 should be fine for espresso use, bearing in mind that the difference between the steps is fairly large.
    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    The Delonghi will struggle to give a good consistent grind. Itll cope, but its a very base level grinder. I would steer clear.

    I think the Sunbeam EM0450 or EM0480 would be minimum entry level grinders.

    The Sunbeam website shows both models. Apparently, the difference between the 2 is mostly external (IE: The guts are the same).

    If you spend a little more on the grinder now, it will still be good enough to cope with a higher level machine should you get the upgrade bug.

    Also, I strongly advise giving one of the site sponsors a call, e-mail or PM. Whoever is closest to you. They might even be able to give you some more options.

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    Cheers guys.

    Im pretty much a tight arse, who is interested mostly in bang for buck at the moment (still a student).

    So looking for maximum price:quality ratio....hence my question for the sunbeams versus delonghi machines, which are comparably priced.

    I certainly see the argument for buying high quality (spending lots of $$$s initially) and then having great grinding, which will last a long time. And will probably do so when I actually bother to join the real world (heaven forbid) and get a job.

    Its just not super feasible....

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    shamus,

    i sooo understand where youre coming from. budget can be tight for a student eh? i too am a poor ol student.

    i would agree with lovey and fatboy that sunbeam is the way to go for the same price. i think i got my em0480 for $160 at a department store a while ago and it has taken me very far along my coffee journey.

    its great for plungers. espresso is ok too. ive recently acquired an espresso machine and have been using the grinder with it for a week or two, i agree that the steps can be a bit large but bearable i reckon. my thinking is much the same, pretty ok results so far but not _the_ best in the world.

    if you _do_ decide to get it, have a look at harrances cotton string mod: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1138058473/149#149

    i find im able to get an acceptable grind (for me anyway) with that.

    ive not have experience with the delonghi, though ive seen my friend use it. it grinds into this container using a timer on the side. so you probably wont be able to fit the portafilter to grind straight into it. also, i dunno, the build just doesnt seem as sturdy as the sunbeam.


    conclusion: id recommend the sunbeam 0480

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    Hi, i just picked up the EM0480 today at David Jones (on sale) for $169.95. Thats 15% off rrp! I think for the extra $10 its worth it. I attended a sunbeam coffee appreciation course over the weekend and both grinders were being used. I think its all in the appearance... My friend was using the EM0450, I had the EM0480 and after a few turns at adjusting the grind and running it through the sunbeam machines (changing it according to the espresso flow) we both had a great grind going.

    I read this today before heading to the shops
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    As for the numbers it doesnt matter what the number says, its all in the grind itself. If you get the dose and tamp right (fingers crossed) then run it through your machine and it runs too fast then you know to adjust it finer, if it just drips then move it to a coarser grind. It should flow through like sticky hunny not a leaking tap (drip drip) or running too freely. After that check your puck (the spent coffee cake). It should be firm, moist and have an indentation of the shower screen. Also when you knock it, it should remove in one peice.

    Hope this helps, Amanda.

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    It needs to be understood that these are bare minimum entry grinders and discount or not, will struggle in the real espresso world. Consensus is that the steps are too big for some machines and for fine-tuning espresso.

    CSers- if youre serious about getting a good result from your machine, I reckon that the Iberital Challenge is the entry point...

    Yeppers- it is dearer, but there may be someone who will pay a reasonable price for a good 2nd hand entry level grinder....I wonder what a Sunbeam is worth on the secondhand market?

    If you pay $150 but sell 6 months later for $50 because it struggles to do the job, thats high cost of ownership in my opinion....

    Bottom line is that there aint no bargains- you gets what you pays for *;)

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    Welcome to Coffee Snobs NE1.

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    When i knock out the puck on my Solis the puck doesnt stay together no matter what i do :( but the shot comes out even. Any ideas? Once i used a friends silvia and the first timed i used it the puck came out clean and i did what i normally did on the solis. Is it just the solis wont knock out a nice puck? :-?

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    Is the puck dry enough?

    Where does it break up?

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    Thanks for the welcome Thundergod :) although i didnt feel that way after reading the first reply to my post... (not your fault though)!

    What machine are you using. If its a bottom end they dont have the same pressure as the more expensive meaning it wont compress as hard. Also the steam release on the cheaper models is near the group head so steam/water is released through the puck on completion, making it wet.

    In regards to the second hand price i just checked the completed listings of an online auction and a used EM0430 sold for $50 (this one retails for $79.95). So i think youd get a fair bit more for the EM0480... The whole point is they are students (like myself) and cant afford the best available. $200 was the price range and both of the sunbeam conical burr grinders are good for that money (rrp 199 & 159) and why not save an extra $30 if its on sale. Youd be a mug to pay full price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1161409619/30#40 date=1164888935
    When i knock out the puck on my Solis the puck doesnt stay together no matter what i do :( but the shot comes out even. Any ideas? Once i used a friends silvia and the first timed i used it the puck came out clean and i did what i normally did on the solis. Is it just the solis wont knock out a nice puck? :-?
    The solis sl70 (and its bigger brother the sl90 I had) do not have three way valves - so there is nothing to release the pressure in the group - almost instantly - like machines with this valve.... the result- the puck stays more "wet" than with other machines - and when you knock it out - its a combination of pouring it out (somewhat an exaggeration ;)) and knocking it out.

    It is much harder to get a one piece solid puck with these machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1161409619/30#43 date=1164891884
    The solis sl70 (and its bigger brother the sl90 I had) do not have three way valves - so there is nothing to release the pressure in the group
    Spot-on JB 8-)

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs there NE14COFFEE [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. Hope you enjoy the experience :)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    A quick update after a couple of weeks with the EM0450. I stated in a previous post I was grinding on about 16. I know not all the 450s are the same in terms of the marked settings but I am now running at about 7. This could be the new coffee I am drinking or more likely I suspect because a bit of wear has occurred. I guess thats what 5 coffees and lots of playing with setup will do after a few weeks.

    It does seem things have settled now though which is a good sign and I am not having to go finer and finer down to the 0 mark :)



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    Quote Originally Posted by dford99 link=1161409619/45#45 date=1165447921
    It does seem things have settled now though which is a good sign and I am not having to go finer and finer down to the 0 mark :)

    Might want to keep an eye on this one, there have been a few other people who have had this problem.

    Check the link below for simillar stories and possible fixes.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1155858977/11#11

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 - new conical burr grinder

    I read somewhere here that a problem with the burrs getting worn and the grind not being as fine as when first purchased -- this happened to mine also -- was solved by placing a home-made plastic washer underneath the burr, thus bringing the two grinding parts into closer and tighter contact.
    I pulled my grinder apart today and placed on ordinary "O"-ring underneath the conical burr to act as a washer, thus lifting it up a mm or two.
    Result: The grinder is better than new! In fact, if I can get a thinner washer, Ill replace the o-ring, as I dont need it to grind as fine as it is currently capable of doing and I think it may extend the life of the burr to raise it up by only small increments (the width of one or two regular washers may be all it needs).
    Anyway, enjoying being able to produce quality espresso again!

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    good stuff mb. had the same problem as you. the mod really gives the grinder a new lease of life eh?

    enjoy.. :D

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    I just thought I would throw in that after starting this thread over three months ago, we finally received a brand new EM0480 from some very generous friends as a wedding present! So my EM0450 review is not to occur. I have to say that the EM0480 is a fantastic product and not actually as big as we thought it might be. The two models are not too different in size in the store.

    The plunger coffee with St Ali beans has been a treat - definitely better than with my old Breville Coffee Mill!! I recommend buying one even if still plunging away. I have been eyeing off many espresso machines but I know that addiction will occur and nights would be sleepless due to too much caffeine....



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