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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Okay, so I went to Veneziano today after a hard days barista-ing to pick up my brand spanking new Mazzer Mini...or should I say rebadged by CMA to Rio Mini :-/ Before this I owned a La Cimbali Cadet (rock solid commercial grinder)....and is now owned by another snobs member. This grinder can be viewed as both an upgrade and a downgrade.

    Got to meet Dave Makin today who was very welcoming. Had an espresso and an excellent flat white. Was shown around the roastery by Peter. Huge 60kg roaster, which they intend to upgrade to something like double that capacity. :o I also got to pull a couple of shots on the FB80...what a beautiful piece of art....for $16k it should be. Perfect shots without any blonding for the duration of the pour and super silent! 8-) Luca, youre a lucky b*stard to be able to work on this thing! Now to convince my cafe to get one... ::)

    Okay so on with the mini review of the Mazzer Mini. I dialed it in with only 2 shots from a complimentary bag of Veneziano Estate. It was very easy to dial it in...working with a Mazzer everyday helps. As an aside...the Veneziano estate is one of the oiliest beans I have ever seen!

    Heres a quick pros and con list that I can think of from the top of my head.

    Pros:
    * Cosmetic appeal. Sexier than the Cimbali by miles.
    * Nice and small compared to Cimbali Cadet.
    * Quieter than the Cimbali.
    * Not as prone to the "left throw" as the Super Jolly.
    * Grind tray seems to catch most renegade grinds.

    Cons:
    * Chute isnt effective. Doesnt push all the grinds out. Rather the left side of the chute empties but the grinds to the right of the chute seem to stay stuck unless prodded at.
    * Coffee stays stuck on the hopper vanes. The hopper needs to be knocked to get the beans unstuck from the vanes.
    * Doser doesnt completely clean out like the Cimbali
    * About 2 grams of coffee stays stuck in the chute (needs to be vacuumed out - or make sure you discard the first part of your grind next time you use it)
    * VERY VERY slow to grind coffee compared to the Cimbali or any other commercial machine that I am used to. But faster than the Sunbeam EM0480. Good enough for home use.
    * The hopper gate seems to get jammed when trying to open or close it. Guess I will just have to wear it down
    * I am annoyed at all the scuff marks and scratches on the new machine.
    * Anal, but it has a very plastic looking Rio badge. $299 for a Mazzer badge..... :o :o :o Sorta like a Ferarri badge hey....

    As a home barista this machine is beautiful. As a professional barista, the machine is slow...too slow. However the beautiful thing about the Mazzer, as you all know, is that it has "micrometrical" adjustments...only limited by your skill at adjusting. Side by side with the Cimbali, the Cimbali wins hands down in adjusting for espresso due to its infinite adjustment mechanism driven by a worm gear.

    Now the cons clearly outweigh the pros here....but these points are just off the top of my head and Im sure I will find more things to talk about as time goes on. Its as simple as this....am I happy about about the purchase? Absolutely...great price from great people.


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    hi wushoes,

    got my mini yesterday too. mustve just missed each other at Veneziano ;)

    the mazzer is really nice and i feel really spoilt to have it on my bench - not that ive abandoned my em0480 grinder. however, somehow i have a sentimental attachment to it. call it my first love if you will ;D ah well, its been given over to humble plunger duties at my office desk (or perhaps decaf duty when guests come over hmm).

    as for the pros and cons, youve covered most of the ones i had. going from the em0480 (doserless) to the mini, the most obvious change ive had to deal with is the doser. however, the electrical tape mod does wonders for sweeping the grinds. still not used to actually doing the dosing but im sure practice will solve that ;)

    the other thing i noticed with it is the adjustment - its stiff as. i guess itll loosen up with time. finding it kinda weird that there are no clicks when adjusting the grind. its a good thing i guess :P

    i generall dont mind the speed of the grinding. especially since miss silvia likes to take her time to settle in temperature.

    an additional thing i like about it is the build quality. sure it throws to the left a bit, there are still clumps out of the doser (not statically charged tho), but for all its little idiosyncracies, its elegant and i can tell its built solid like a tank (after all i had to carry it in!). now miss silvia has a new companion ;) here they are on my bench.

    a big thanks to veneziano for this offer :)


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    Hey there daily bean.

    Clumping is not so much of an issue with mazzer compared to other grinders where you need to break in the burrs a bit to stop it. The doser does a good job of removing most clumps and it doesnt affect the pour noticeably.

    I must admit it is a schmick machine to have at home. I love the rhythmic thwack thwack that I do at work...now I can do it at home! :D

    As for the adjustment, it may seem tight...but it will always be like that...but youll get used to it and youll be doing adjustments of less than 1mm in no time.

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    Just got my new Mazzer from the friendly TNT man. Wushoes, you commented on scuff marks on your grinder? All I found was a bunch of fingerprints on the doser, a sign that the grinder had been tested.

    Still dialling it in, but I can see the difference already. Funny how many em0480 owners have jumped at this grinder deal.

    I have a feeling I wont be sleeping tonight - too much fun to be had and coffee to drink.....

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    im in the same boat.... upgraded the 0480 to this slick new piece of kit.... last one for a while, with the brewtus and now the mazzer, it should keep me busy for a while.
    the sunbeam is now the decaf grinder...

    initial thoughts:

    much quieter than the sunbeam. i think this is to do with the quality of build, less parts to rattle around.
    a bit slower than the sunbeam, but this could be more to do with getting used to the doser.

    have to look at doing the tape mod, where is the best place to look?

    cheers.

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    Hi guys,

    Glad to hear that youre all grinding and dosing away! Weve got a few of these mazzers headed out now, so I might type up a basic dialling in guide for people ... although all of you guys seem to know what youre on about.

    Wushoes, your comments brought a smile of recognition to me. 64mm seems to be the de facto standard for shop grinders and is certainly faster than the 58mm mini burrs. If you wanted to match your juniors speed, you would have had to have gone with a super jolly. That said, I think that its fair to say that the mini is at the faster end of the domestic grinder pack. What was really funny was that one of the competition baristi that I was talking to yesterday is planning on buying a robur for home for that five second grind time! Speaking of which, I know that we discussed the whole mini vs cimbali thing, but I dont think that I ever asked you why you were so keen on getting a mini instead. Was it just size? (Although Im hardly one to talk - I had a cimbali for a little bit, too!)

    Teemus blog has the best explanation of the tape mod and the cup mod.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Hey Luca,

    Yeah, size and aesthetics mainly.... ;) All moot as they both are beautiful grinders to work with. Both are top notch grinders and both have many pros and cons when tested side by side....mainly pros :P

    But at the end of the day....how could I resist buying a Mazzer for the price it was going for? :D Now to find a special deal on an Iberital Lanna/Expobar Minore II/ECM Giotto Premium/Maver Makin espresso in half a year when I get a big fat cheque from the ATO.

    Id like to amend the 2 shots to dial in....it was more like 2 shots to get it in an almost perfect setting for the Sunbeam....only took 1 more shot to get it as good as I think I can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1169720281/0#5 date=1170042392
    Hi guys,

    Glad to hear that youre all grinding and dosing away! Weve got a few of these mazzers headed out now, so I might type up a basic dialling in guide for people ...
    I would love one of these if you get the time Luca!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1169720281/0#0 date=1169720279
    * I am annoyed at all the scuff marks and scratches on the new machine.
    Mine had some scratches on the PF holder and some marks (someone must have had really long and strong fingernails) on the rubber handle of the doser lever. But it doesnt worry me that much as it is bound to get a few more marks on it as time goes on. Good to know it has been tested. :)

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    Hi Luca,
    Our PMs seem to be going astray. Ive PMd you three times now and we still dont seem to be hooking up. Id still like a Mazzer if possible, please?

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw link=1169720281/0#8 date=1170152319
    Hi Luca,
    Our PMs seem to be going astray. Ive PMd you three times now and we still dont seem to be hooking up. Id still like a Mazzer if possible, please?

    Brian
    Hi Brian,

    Im sorry, I have only gottent the PM sent on the 28th, when I was in the middle of my evidence law exam. I dropped by work quickly today, but wasnt able to grab the computer. Hopefully Ill get it sorted out tomorrow.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Ive done the sweep mod on the mini. Its dead simple, but only problem is the tape falls off after a while, so Ill have to do the mod again. Youll also notice that the mini chucks all the grounds to the left when you dose. The PF holder should be offset to accomodate this, or simply hold the PF to the left side of the holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1169720281/0#10 date=1170204935
    Ive done the sweep mod on the mini. *Its dead simple, but only problem is the tape falls off after a while, so Ill have to do the mod again. *Youll also notice that the mini chucks all the grounds to the left when you dose. *The PF holder should be offset to accomodate this, or simply hold the PF to the left side of the holder.
    More violence nunu!....Get in there and treat it like the cafe grinder it is! If youre tentative, its more likely to throw left...

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    The harder i dose, the more it goes left. The grinder moves as well. I need sucker feet to keep it on the bench :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1169720281/0#12 date=1170208660
    The harder i dose, the more it goes left. *The grinder moves as well. *I need sucker feet to keep it on the bench :P
    All comes down to training :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunu link=1169720281/0#12 date=1170208660
    The harder i dose, the more it goes left. *The grinder moves as well. *I need sucker feet to keep it on the bench :P
    Ive noticed that mini moves around on my bench too...maybe we need a sticky feet mod! ;)

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    Nothing a good piece of yoga mat from Bunnings cant help methinks.

    Just makes it just a bit more difficult to push back underneath the cupboards when finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flo link=1169720281/0#14 date=1170225781
    Ive noticed that mini moves around on my bench too...maybe we need a sticky feet mod! ;)
    The feet can be adjusted. That stopped mine from wobbling around.

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    Its not that the grinder is wobbly, more so that it slides around on the bench. Mine has nearly slid off the counter a couple times. Its probably due to the hardness of the rubber feet.

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    I have never had these problems with Mazzers before....and the reason it throws left is because the dosers are meant to be full of coffee....this will eliminate any left throw....but the home barista cannot and will not sacrifice quality of cup (for fear of stale coffee) and money....as inevitably if you grind more, the more you will throw out if you are only making a few cups.

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    I have my mazzer bolted down, helps stop the moving from me being over zealous with it and/or any rogue earthquakes I had a laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrighterSide link=1169720281/15#19 date=1170310858
    I have my mazzer bolted down, helps stop the moving from me being over zealous with it and/or any rogue earthquakes I had a laugh
    Thats not the one running around in the back of your van is it???

    Id be shot if I drilled into the bench to bolt mini down...

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    luca mini mazzer awesome grinds on clumping perfect measures on scrathes like a bought one but better no complaints from me cheers steven poddy66

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    Quote Originally Posted by poddy66 link=1169720281/15#21 date=1170561226
    luca mini mazzer awesome grinds on clumping perfect measures on scrathes like a bought one but better no complaints from me cheers steven poddy66
    Hey slow down, I say slow down son....youre not makin any sense...

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    poddys enjoying too much coffee i reckon :P

    just a note abt the mini. its going strong! really liking the consistent grind on them and the doser as a recepticle for the grinds. means my hands are free to do prep other stuff in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1169720281/15#18 date=1170293833
    I have never had these problems with Mazzers before....and the reason it throws left is because the dosers are meant to be full of coffee....this will eliminate any left throw....but the home barista cannot and will not sacrifice quality of cup (for fear of stale coffee) and money....as inevitably if you grind more, the more you will throw out if you are only making a few cups.

    I have also found this to be a pain. Mainly because the grinds shoot to the left of the grind catcher tray and onto my bench which means more cleaning up.

    Is there any other way to rectify this? I did a fairly primitive mod and attached some silver sticky tape to the bottom of the doser (see below). I gave it a bit of a test and it seems alright. So I will see how it goes. Anyone else have better (more aesthetically pleasing :) ) solutions?


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    Hazel showed me a mod the other day.
    She said you can get small pieces of aluminium plate from Bunnings that you can cut and shape easily.

    Ill try remember top get a picture next time I visit.

    Basically though, youd attach it to the front of the hopper with those screws in the picture above.
    (I have the same screwsetup on my Macap.)

    You cut the aluminium sheet part way through and bend it under the hopper to act as a throw shield just like your tape above.

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    Thanks TG! Thats a great idea! If you could post a pic that would be great too. I would love to try that.

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    Alternatively you could just buy a quality grinder that just doesnt throw to the left.

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    I wouldnt say its not a quality grinder....Id say its just a shortcoming....seeing as we use it as it is not intended to. If the dosers are fuller, they wont throw to the left. Or you can just thwack real hard.

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    Hi guys,

    The throw left thing is as a result of the sweeping vanes moving from right to left and, so, tends to be a problem with most grinders, to varying degrees.

    There are a few ways to make the throw left thing less of a big deal.

    The first is to thwack the doser really fast. This slams the coffee into the left-hand wall of the exit chute, which makes it drop straight down. The concern with this method is that some grinders (unlike Metreo, I have no need to bag brand names, so I wont give examples) have weak springs in the doser that will break, but the mazzer springs tend to be pretty strong. I tend to thwack at a million miles an hour.

    The second is to dose a lot more slowly. This means that the grinds dont pick up as much inertia, so they dont fly as far left.

    The third is to build a deflector, as TG has said.

    Finally, you can remove the PF fork and hold your PF where the coffee will actually land. Thats what Im doing at home at the moment - Ill see how much I like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metreo link=1169720281/15#27 date=1171720173
    Alternatively you could just buy a quality grinder that just doesnt throw to the left.
    If youre implying that the mini isnt a quality grinder, I think that thats entirely uncalled for.

    If you are suggesting that there are other grinders out there that dont have this problem, you should go and use a bunch of dosered grinders. The only dosered grinder that I have used that didnt throw grinds to the left had other, much more significant problems with it that would make me never want to buy it. As for doserless, the mini E is quite clean, but most doserless grinders with a chute design tend to either spray coffee all over the place or clump a lot, usually while youre standing there holding the portafilter and waiting for the machine to grind.

    Unfortunately, grinder manufacturers arent exactly eager to listen to their customers. People who actually care about their coffee are a relatively small segment of the market. The first manufacturer to actually listen to what baristi want will make a small fortune, but I dont think that that prospect is enough to revolutionise the industry. There seems to be some innovation at the moment, but it will result in very expensive commercial machinery, not stuff for home use.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1169720281/15#29 date=1171783762
    Quote Originally Posted by Metreo link=1169720281/15#27 date=1171720173
    Alternatively you could just buy a quality grinder that just doesnt throw to the left.
    If youre implying that the mini isnt a quality grinder, I think that thats entirely uncalled for. *

    I wouldnt take what Metreo said too much to heart. It sounds like a comment designed to provoke a response (which it has).

    Seriously, everybody here knows that the Mini is a quality grinder and has the runs on the board (unlike the Aussie One Day side *:-[): end of story. There are other quality grinders out there too and, as you said Luca, they all have shortcomings. Its just like there are no perfect machines.

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    I took Metreos comment as tongue in cheek.

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    There are indeed some great doser designs that hardly throw coffee to the left that I have used in the past...but as Luca suggests....its shortcomings are far more severe that the left throw syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1169720281/15#29 date=1171783762

    Quote Originally Posted by Metreo link=1169720281/15#27 date=1171720173
    Alternatively you could just buy a quality grinder that just doesnt throw to the left.
    If youre implying that the mini isnt a quality grinder, I think that thats entirely uncalled for.

    Had a look all through my post and I cant recall mentioning a brand name.

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    Even so, it is implied. ;)

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    Here are those deflector pictures.

    I cant recall the brand of the first grinder, but Hazel has fixed a deflector underneath the hopper using an existing screw (very simple design).


    The next two photos show the one I described in my earlier post.
    It is held on with the screws on the front of the Mazzer.
    My Macap has the same screw positions.


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    Great photos....I will try the mod tomorrow.

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    Very interesting. Am thinking about the deflector now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1169720281/30#36 date=1171969345
    Great photos....I will try the mod tomorrow.
    Thanks.
    Just the phone camera (but it is 2MP) with a bit of contrast/brightness/sharpness tweaking.

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    Put a deflector on my mini this morning.

    There was still some very sharp edges on the piece of sheet metal, so I covered it with tape.


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    The inside of the chute.

    You can now hold the PF in the holder and dose without having grinds thrown to the left.


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    Great photos TG and nunu! I will be trying this one on the weekend! Looks like its the dogs bullocks!

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    All thanks go to Hazel for the idea, prototypes and allowing me to snap the photos.


    nunu - your metal looks a bit thinner than the stuff Hazel used.
    If you cant get a smooth edge, go look at Bunnings for the thicker stuff.

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    I cut it off of an old Mokador tin :P

    Its a simple bang-up job, since I dont have access to a large assortment of tools. Its more than functional however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marky link=1169720281/30#41 date=1172025286
    Looks like its the dogs bullocks!
    I think you probably meant "bollocks".... Unless of course it is a bulldog! *:D *;D

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    Im not so sure about this mod; looks like a large potential for injury. Sharp metal and soft flesh are not a great combination... But then again maybe looks can be deceiving.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1169720281/30#42 date=1172026322
    nunu - your metal looks a bit thinner than the stuff Hazel used.
    If you cant get a smooth edge, go look at Bunnings for the thicker stuff.
    Or just put a fold on the edge using a pair of pliars if nothing else. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flo link=1169720281/30#44 date=1172027968
    I think you probably meant "bollocks".... Unless of course it is a bulldog! :D ;D
    Whoops! ha ha. Bit of a vowel slip there. :D

    You should be able to just file off the sharp edges.

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    As to my original point - you are spending $600+ on a quality grinder and have to "pharnarkle" around to get it to dose properly.

    I wouldnt expect to have to take my Rolls-Royce back into the shop because when it delivered it was pulling to the left.




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    Re: Downgrade/upgrade to Mazzer Mini

    Metreo Im starting to wonder about the real attitude behind your comments.

    I think we all acknowledge that if the hopper is full then there is no throw to the left but as we are dosing through the hopper, the smaller amount of grinds tends to be thrown left.

    This occurs because we are using the machine not as it was designed to be used.
    Our choice because it means fresher coffee.

    In fact this weekend I am expecting two dozen guests for my birthday gathering.
    I have decided that for the sake of speed when it comes time for coffee, I will grind enough for all just before starting to pull shots.
    This may mean that the last shots are made with grounds a little more than 3 minutes old.
    But thats also my choice considering all other factors for this occasion.

    Your analogy about your Rolls Royce pulling to the left is a poor example and does not compare in the slightest to the problem being discussed.

    I gave you the benefit of the doubt with your previous comment.
    Was I wrong to?

    And rather than stir the pot, do you have a solution?



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