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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by beanjuice link=1171437692/0#8 date=1171545190
    When will the perfect home grinder be made?

    At around $569 the Compak K3 Touch Grinder - goes damn close.


    edit by 2mcm- RRP is $569...not $495

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Id rather get the K3 elite. Aesthetically more pleasing....and the doser will will help disturb any clumping. Dont know how well the dosers on the K3 elites sweep though.....2MCM?

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1171437692/0#12 date=1172043007
    Id rather get the K3 elite. Aesthetically more pleasing....and the doser will will help disturb any clumping. Dont know how well the dosers on the K3 elites sweep though.....2MCM?
    Wushoes- The doser of the K3 is a terrific design which overcomes the shortfalls of the mazzer doser. It sweeps far better and the internal design of all surfaces keeps the vanes much cleaner. Aussie spec is champagne only...

    Cons: The built in tamper and the fact the fork makes it harder to actually see the group handle and therefore dose. I could lose the tamper ;)...Also the auto-cutout flap blocks the chute.

    Pros: With a higher fork, much less left throw. I really like the dosing action as well. Adjustment mechanism and overall build quality of the K3E are terrific.

    Theyre $630 which I reckon is about $150 less than where they punch. The K3T is $569 and I would have one in preference to a Mazzer mini-e even if the mini-e was $500 cheaper.
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    Re: Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Interesting thoughts. I really love the hi-polish black paint on the K3E in the picture...shame the Aussie specs are Champagne colour only.

    The fork looks sort of like high impact plastic. I love the metal mazzer forks because I can settle the grinds in the basket whilst dosing at the same time by tapping the PF on the fork. Will the K3E fork be able to do this....stand up to the banging?

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1171623577/0#3 date=1172044917
    Interesting thoughts. I really love the hi-polish black paint on the K3E in the picture...shame the Aussie specs are Champagne colour only.

    The fork looks sort of like high impact plastic. I love the metal mazzer forks because I can settle the grinds in the basket whilst dosing at the same time by tapping the PF on the fork. Will the K3E fork be able to do this....stand up to the banging?
    Yeppers- no probs although space is tight....Much better to get a good tamping mat. Our barista kits have a ripper- as do Coffeeparts...

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Yeah I have a small rubber The Coffees Been branded mat. I actually dont use it for tamping. I dont really see a purpose for them other than to protect a very sturdy PF that might get 1 or 2 scratches. I tamp on the edge of the bench. My tamping mat is more like a tamper pedestal where my tampers sit when not in use.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Hi guys ...

    I have had the K3 Elite for a couple of weeks (thanks Chris) and I have to say I love it. Its been a huge improvement over my Rocky.

    The pros/cons are pretty much as 2mcm described ...

    Its made a huge difference to my coffees - which were average with the Rocky - I always seemed to be between steps with the Rocky, and it was rare to get a pour longer than 25 secs ....

    The K3E has given me a lot more consistency in general with grind, and more often than not I find myself coarsening the grind up rather than the other way around!

    Interestingly, since getting this grinder, it has enabled me to see differences in my roasting technique - which Rocky would never expose.


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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrtle link=1171623577/0#6 date=1172113885
    Interestingly, since getting this grinder, it has enabled me to see differences in my roasting technique - which Rocky would never expose.
    Can you elaborate?

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1171623577/0#7 date=1172154883

    Can you elaborate?
    I think probably what I was trying to say is that upgrading to the K3E has reduced another source of variability in producing the perfect shot.

    I just seem to be getting a more consistent grind than I was with the Rocky, and this means I can see differences in shots pulled from the same bean, but roasted to different degrees.

    Basically, I am getting a better shot than I was before, and the ratio of great shots, to not so great shots is a lot higher.


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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Im also a K3 Elite owner and have mixed feelings, but some of my irks are probably because Im not used to commercial units. Im hoping to take delivery of a Mazzer Mini shortly and be able to do a proper side by side comparison of the units. That will help determine the differences and what is just a matter of education for me!

    I wont put up my list of pros and cons until Ive got the Mazzer and can do a proper comparo, along with photos of my recent cleaning efforts!

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    Greg I recently took ownership of a mazzer mini. A very well built unit which gives me a perfect grind with no clumping at all. Big Big improvement in coffee quality from the sunbeam 0480 that i was using prior.

    Will be interesting to read your review on the two.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    i also have the sunbeam grinder, for its price tag its ok. i would expect a lot better grind from the mazzer as stated . but then again, we are talking ford vs bmw.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Im liking mine, but that timer knob of the bottom is a pain, cause you need to move the grinder which will affect the grind adjustment, yeah?

    Still havent got it timed to dose a decent amount. Its too little or not enough. I dont want to waste good coffee to get it right. If I use crap beans for adjustment, then I guess that should be close enough. Will get some cheap crap for adjusting.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 1E393D321133323739255C0 link=1171623577/12#12 date=1243390606
    If I use crap beans for adjustment, then I guess that should be close enough.
    No, I dont think that will work. What youll end up doing is programming it for crap beans and when you swap, it will all be different.

    Suggest you ignore the programming adjustment, use the manual switch, and dose by volume. ;)


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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Im thinking of buying the K3 Touch.

    I had a Rocky which was great. I could put in 20gm beans and grind out 20gm almost ;)

    I tried a Sunbeam EM0480, but you must fill the hopper for it to grind properly so you waste beans when emptying the hopper.

    With the Compak K3 Touch can you just add to the hopper the amount you need to grind? Or is there a waste of beans left in the hopper?

    I would like to know before I decide to buy ::)

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 012620272A530 link=1171623577/14#14 date=1243460269
    Im thinking of buying the K3 Touch.

    I had a Rocky which was great. *I could put in 20gm beans and grind out 20gm almost *;)

    I tried a Sunbeam EM0480, but you must fill the hopper for it to grind properly so you waste beans when emptying the hopper.

    With the Compak K3 Touch can you just add to the hopper the amount you need to grind? [ch65533]Or is there a waste of beans left in the hopper?

    I would like to know before I decide to buy [ch65533]::)

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    Hi Rusty,

    Can you? Absolutely- with any grinder and with most/all you will get an element of popcorning and inconsistency in grind- so not really a good method IMHO. Better to learn how to dose correctly and consistently.

    Im yet to see a barista in a cafe or in comp measure out my 18-20g and load an empty hopper :-?. You do need bean mass.

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    Theres a hopper stopper that would help to a certain extent, or you could remove the hopper, dose into the grind chamber, and then sit a tamper on top whilst you grind.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    I agree with using the hopper stopper to reduce popcorning. I leave the hopper in place, fill to just below the stopper level and slide the stopper across. *I use the timer also but find at the end of grinding there is very little left in the chute. No doubt there is popcorning, but because the dose is pretty consistent, it works out.

    Since, using this method, I have found my doses very consistent (with good pours) and it has greatly reduced waste. As I only make one or two at a time, I always had waste left in the chute and had to fiddle around putting beans back in the bag until the next time.

    Hope that helps.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    I measure my beans per shot and close the hopper gate after they are loaded.
    Im sure theres some popcorning going on under there but my palate isnt good enough to detect any taste difference.

    Theres still some grinds left in the exit chute but they get air-pumped and brushed out in a few seconds and since measuring and grinding this way Ive had zero waste.

    Its up to the individual to decide what suits them.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Bought a Compak K3T today, lugged it from DiBartoli all the way home hahaha, 3 trains. But yeah its pretty good so far, my place smells like coffee right now hahaha, pretty noob at this stuff, used like 1/4 of a kilo of beans, getting the adjustment right for the first time, thank god that the beans i was using are cheap. Probably use up 2 and 3/4 bags of cheap coffee as experimental, then work up to more expensive beans. Took a while to adjust, realised i had to do it slowly, cause once i set it on super fine, nothing was coming out =P. But yeah its all good now.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Wow, what an old thread to dig up.

    I would learn to dose manually rather than measure out say 20 grams of beans. Sure, youll get close to all 20 grams coming back out but the problem I have with this approach is that what comes out and how it comes out is totally dependent on the way the beans actually fall through the burrs.

    What ever floats your boat really. If you only make one coffee a day, fair enough, I can totally understand the aversion to pulling beans back out from the throat of the grinder.

    That said, at work when I run my doser close to zero beans and Im scratching the bottom of the barrel for beans to dose the next handle, I purposely dose up.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    David you have to remember most of us dont work in a cafe no matter how good our equipment may be at home.

    I measure my beans then grind.

    On the few occasions Ive made coffee in a commercial setting, I dose manually as you suggest.

    Horses for courses.


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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Suggest you ignore the programming adjustment, use the manual switch, and dose by volume. ;)
    Im used to manual dosing due me having the Sunbeam grinder.

    What Im very unhappy with is you have to use the side switch, which doesnt make sense to me. One would have thought that you could use the silver one that you click.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A5D5956755756535D41380 link=1171623577/22#22 date=1243816504
    What Im very unhappy with is you have to use the side switch, which doesnt make sense to me.One would have thought that you could use the silver one that you click.
    Took delivery of my K3 Touch this morning. Like you I am disappointed that the portafilter switch doesnt work the same way as the EM0480. Having to use the side switch as well is a no brainer - maybe someone will come up with a mod to overcome that ::)

    My first grind was in the ball park and gave a very nice pour. A bit of fine tuning should make it even better. :)

    I was impressed with the EM0480, but having received an assurance from the Sunbeam training barista that an upgrade would improve the coffee I went for the K3.




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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C2B2D2A275E0 link=1171623577/23#23 date=1243829874
    Quote Originally Posted by 7A5D5956755756535D41380 link=1171623577/22#22 date=1243816504
    What Im very unhappy with is you have to use the side switch, which doesnt make sense to me.One would have thought that you could use the silver one that you click. *
    Took delivery of my K3 Touch this morning. *Like you I am disappointed that the portafilter switch doesnt work the same way as the EM0480. *Having to use the side switch as well *is a no brainer -

    :o :o :o

    My longer term plans need a rethink.... :o


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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Chris,

    Its not really a big deal, just an annoyance which I will learn to live with ;)

    The final thumbs up will be the coffee tatse.



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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Hmm guys....

    I would have thought that the respective sales mobs you purchased from would have informed you of the idiosyncrasies of this grinder before you purchased it? *:-? We do...

    EVERY grinder has positives and negatives. I reckon that any prospective purchaser should have a good understanding of what is being purchased and how it works...

    Nevertheless, not a deal breaker and perfect for baristi who like to hold the group handle with their right hand ;)

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    It was more a misunderstanding on my part than an oversight on theirs. I guess I just assumed that the word "Touch" meant the same the same operation as the Sunbeam. My mistake entirely >:(

    But you and I agree its not a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04313C3B0F133F36363535500 link=1171623577/26#26 date=1243831033
    Hmm guys....

    I would have thought that the respective sales mobs you purchased from would have informed you of the idiosyncrasies of this grinder before you purchased it? *:-? We do...
    I did have it demonstrated before I took it away in my arms. I swear I saw the guy push the push the PF lever and out came coffee grinds. I expected that as Ive seen a lot of other gringers do the same. You say its a not a biggy, I say it can be overcome but its a bit like a car, where *most* cars headlights turn on by twisting the column, but some cars have a separate switch that you turn on the dash board. If you car dealer said, "Oh you turn the knob over here to turn on the headlights" youd go "OK, whatever". But it is very inconvenient to do something different when so many others have a standard way of turning on the lights.

    MODS? Ill just make a foot switch. Easy enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1334303F1C3E3F3A3428510 link=1171623577/28#28 date=1243842094
    I did have it demonstrated before I took it away in my arms. *I swear I saw the guy push the push the PF lever and out came coffee grinds. *I expected that as Ive seen a lot of other gringers do the same. *You say its a not a biggy, I say it can be overcome but its a bit like a car, where *most* cars headlights turn on by twisting the column, but some cars have a separate switch that you turn on the dash board. *If you car dealer said, "Oh you turn the knob over here to turn on the headlights" youd go "OK, whatever". *But it is very inconvenient to do something different when so many others have a standard way of turning on the lights.

    MODS? *Ill just make a foot switch. *Easy enough.
    Hi BM,

    It was clearly demonstrated in timed dose mode....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5374707F5C7E7F7A7468110 link=1171623577/28#28 date=1243842094
    MODS? *Ill just make a foot switch. *Easy enough.
    What are you thinking of?????? All car headlights used to work with a foot switch!--are you trying to go backwards? ;D

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Dialing in some nice coffee on the K3 - its improving with each shot.

    Ive had to set up a lamp in my coffee preparation corner so io can read the black on black dial ::)

    Im over my disappointment already and will now start experimenting with the measured grind, it might just work with the Sunbeam.



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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Is anyone using the individual portion gridn on the K3 Touch?

    Is it worth playing around with or will it be a waste of time ::)

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F282E29245D0 link=1171623577/32#32 date=1244011333
    Is anyone using the individual portion gridn on the K3 Touch?

    Is it worth playing around with or will it be a waste of time *::)

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    Pretty much a waste of time (and coffee) with anything other than an M4D or Robur-e or similar....

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    Thanks for the quick response. I suspected that might be the answer ::)

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    I thought I had a problem with the K3 - the coffee no longer tasted great even though I had not changed the grind, the tamp or the dose.

    So that left only the beans and I hadnt changed them either except they are now ten days older :(

    I never noticed this sort of change with Silvia and Rocky.

    My conclusion is that the K3 is a superior grinder to Rocky and therefore is more sensitive to variations in freshness ::)

    If someone more experienced than I am could confirm this then Ill start ordering 500gm instead of 1kg.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02372022122A3728242921450 link=1171623577/30#30 date=1243848505
    All car headlights used to work with a foot switch!--are you trying to go backwards?
    My wiper and washers used to work on a foot switch.
    Also, at that time, some light switches were a rocker switch on the dash not a rotating one like you see on some Fords reently.

    The reason a lot of cars have the same switches is because manufactures get their parts from the same suppliers.
    I once replaced my broken column stalk with all toggle switches for the headlights/high beams, blinkers, wipers, horn etc.
    No one else could drive that car but me.

    You probably saw what you expected to see.

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    Hi Rusty...
    Hows the K3 touch holding up? Im only asking as Im about to purchase my Rancilio combo and Im having second thoughts on the grinder and thinking of the k3 touch. From what I understand is that it can grind and dose the reqd amount is this true? Sounds like its more trouble than what its worth if not true. Thats why I thought it would be better than the rocky for that feature alone?? :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E6B6C6A766562040 link=1171623577/37#37 date=1244121830
    Hi Rusty...
    Hows the K3 touch holding up? Im only asking as Im about to purchase my Rancilio combo and Im having second thoughts on the grinder and thinking of the k3 touch. From what I understand is that it can grind and dose the reqd amount is this true? Sounds like its more trouble than what its worth if not true. Thats why I thought it would be better than the rocky for that feature alone?? :-/
    Yes it can grind and dose a set amount. With the switch in the forward position you push the portafilter against the microswitch lever and it will grind one portion. If you push it twice in succession it will deliver two. You can adjust the amount it grinds from underneath the machine. I havent tried this yet and not sure I will. Some CS find it is not worth the trouble playing around with this feature.

    I find it tricky getting the grind right on the K3 - the stepless adjustment is very fine. Rocky was a lot easier to use.

    You cant go wrong with the combo :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7354525558210 link=1171623577/38#38 date=1244149307
    ...Yes it can grind and dose a set amount...
    Its supposed to grind a "set" time (for one or two) but I get the feeling *its a little erratic - sometimes when it finishes I think it cant have been *the usual duration (maybe it just depends on how decaffinated I am at the time :) )

    On top of that the volume dosed in the time obviously depends on how fine youre grinding, the type of beans, etc. *Also, getting under the grinder to adjust the time is a bit silly (only bothered to do it once). *However I still use the feature - overdoses a bit more at one end and need to manually top up at the other end of the variability.

    So, all in all, moderately useless and Id be happier with the PF switch just being on/off (a mod maybe?)

    Still very happy with the K3T overall - no regrets.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Looking at this thread because I have a question I dont quite know the answer to...
    Is it worth the extra money upgrading from a rocky to the K3T?

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    I had the same problem New! :-/
    I decided to go with the rocky to match the miss silvia. Its too late for me to change now as I just bought it thru a sponsor 10 mins ago.
    I suddenly feel ill & broke :D ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 73584A6952784E4D4F584E4E523D0 link=1171623577/40#40 date=1244289228
    Looking at this thread because I have a question I dont quite know the answer to...
    Is it worth the extra money upgrading from a rocky to the K3T?
    That is a very common question, and it is one that only you can answer. It depends on how much good coffee is worth to you right now, how easily you can make good coffee, how much you can taste the difference, and how much the extra money is worth to you.

    As you cruise this website you will see that some members are happy with less than $200 invested in coffee equipment, some start by spending thousands, and some (like me) suffer from upgraditis as our answers to the questions change.

    Remember too, there are lots of people who happily drink instant.

    The most important thing is to enjoy what you drink, and enjoy the trip.

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Has anyone noticed the small clear rubber flap inside the very start of the chute of the K3 Touch? I noticed mine when new but after grinding it gets covered over. You need to clean out all the grinds to get see it.

    Is this supposed to be there? It seems to block escape of grinds and trap old grinds at the start of the chute.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C404648210 link=1171623577/19#19 date=1243518578
    used like 1/4 of a kilo of beans, getting the adjustment right for the first time,
    I just got my new K3T delivered. It has a next to useless instruction book and I have no idea at how to adjust the stepless grind. Can anyone throw a few clues. Is it done during grind or before, and how is it actually done? As you can guess this is my first stepless type grinder. Thanks

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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B353C383A313B202D313C3B3C383A31590 link=1171623577/44#44 date=1246454291
    I just got my new K3T delivered. It has a next to useless instruction book and I have no idea at how to adjust the stepless grind. Can anyone throw a few clues. Is it done during grind or before, and how is it actually done? As you can guess this is my first stepless type grinder. Thanks
    Hi Bleach, you are most welcome to call either Den or myself and we can run you through it. Briefly:

    The black collar below the hopper rotates clockwise and anticlockwise and you will see large and progressively smaller circles on the collar. Move *the collar in the direction of the small circles and you get finer grind.

    The power switch is a rocker switch. One direction = timed and the other direction = permanently on. I wouldnt experiment with time until you are satisfied with particle size. Even then, I reckon its pretty much futile for CSers....Might be useful for decaf in a cafe somewhere where near enough is good enough, but for us, there is too much variation IMHO.

    Hope that helps...

    Chris

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    Have sent you an email Bleach! Says pretty much the same thing that Chris has said.


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    Re: Compak K3 Elite and K3 Touch discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by 57595054565D574C415D50575054565D350 link=1171623577/44#44 date=1246454291
    Is it done during grind or before
    The manual says:
    Note that you should only change grind settings when the machine is on and burrs are in motion. If you do not do this, the burrs will gunk up and cleaning will be required.

    I agree the manual is not very user friendly >:(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 311610171A630 link=1171623577/47#47 date=1246484762
    I agree the manual is not very user friendly
    My fave of all time (so far) is the VBM Domobar piccolo manual. I have no idea what they were trying to communicate in the vast majority of it. Great for a laugh ::)

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    The best manuals by far are those produced by Sunbeam :)

    Great illustrations and clear and concise language :D



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