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    Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I bought the grinder about 3 weeks ago to work with my old machine. I could stop the old machine on grinder setting 12. I bought the EM6910 last friday and have yet to get the gauge to enter the light brown area even with the coffee set a 1. I am using the double filter and tamp then add some tamp again. I have tested my pressure on the scales and it is about 35-40lbs.

    I have this feeling that the grinder initially ground finer. The difference between 1 and 20 is noticable but only slightly between 1 and 10. In fact some old coffee I had ground at 12 when I first got it looked finer that what I am getting at setting 1. I have read that the grind needs to be quite fine for the EM2910 but how can I be sure the grinder is correct?

    I also have had little success at frothing. It seems to hot and boils the milk before stretching. I may just need mor practice here. Factory settings have not tinkered yet.

    I have rung for the course but have not heard yet.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM6910 and 4080 fine is not fine enoug

    The EM0480s can suffer from several quality issues which result in never getting a fine enough grind through to not able to get course enough grind.

    You may have such a problem, but it is also possible the grinder has not been assembled correctly.

    First you should read the manual as a guide and disassemble then reassemble the grinder.
    Take note of the arrows used to line up the upper burr, and remember the upper goes back in when the collar is in its most anti clockwise position.

    There are plenty of posts about these problems so have a good read

    If it still behaves with the same problem, its a dud, so take it back.


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    Re: Sunbeam EM6910 and 4080 fine is not fine enoug

    I thought the problem was because something had got stuck so I have cleaned it as per instruction book, making sure arrows lined up, two or three times and it has not improved. I will do it one last time tonight just for luck.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Tried again last night several times following all available instructions. Still grind is not fine enough. I am taking it back today for replacement. Hope the next one works.
    I read reasonable good things about this grinder and thought the rancilio out of my price bracket.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    I returned it and got my money back. I am reluctantly (cost only) getting a Rancilio Rocky. I did not feel comfortable getting replcement EM0480s until I got one that lasted. I only had this one 3 weeks and a couple of days. It was great when it worked and I am not one to start tinkering with modifications.
    Any other suggestions on alternative grinders

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    doichuck,

    I felt the same way with my em0480 and whilst I likes to tinker, I dont like to support disposable consumerism.
    Hence, return to sender.

    The Rocky is a beaut, you could also consider the Iberital Challenge which is about $100 less.
    There are plently of recent threads comparing these, In short Rocky is better built with stepped grind settings, the Iberital is well built [but not quite as solid as the rocky] and is a worm gear driven stepless grinder.
    You need to weigh up the advantages/disadvantages of stepless over stepped.

    You should talk to a site sponsor like Talk Coffee or Di Bartoli, you may also get to see them in action.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Thanks for the advice but have aquired the Rocky.

    Just want to know what is this turn until cant go anymore and then go back 6-7 notches? Pressing down button means you do not feel notches. Why not set it on 6 or 7?

    I assume this for expresso. Why dont manual explain why you have to do something?

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Alrighty a noobie here, first post....

    Damn! I read the favorable reviews I wish Id seen these ones :(

    Splashed out on a Sylvia and a Sunbeam EM0480, the Sylvia makes a great cup with the coffee I had my supplier grind me for reference, but yeah its not so hot with the grind out of the Sunbeam.

    It seems to grind about the same "size" right across the range... so is it back to get another one?

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Ahh yes,

    Italian Espresso Machines, Grinders and er, the Users Manual (for want of a better term). Its always been like this unfortunately, the Italians are wonderful engineers and manufacturers but when it comes time to put the documentation together, well, it can be a little lacking in certain aspects.

    Luckily though, there are millions of owners of the ubiquitous Rocky and lots of info about getting the best from him and looking after him, is as easy as doing a quick search on Google. That reference to backing off the setting 6-7 notches is to do with establishing where true zero is and then backing away to establish a starting point to begin dialing in your espresso machine.

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Quote Originally Posted by reubster link=1184026212/0#6 date=1184203829
    doichuck,

    I felt the same way with my em0480 and whilst I likes to tinker, I dont like to support disposable consumerism.
    Hence, return to sender.

    The Rocky is a beaut, *you could also consider the Iberital Challenge which is about $100 less.
    There are plently of recent threads comparing these, In short Rocky is better built with stepped grind settings, the Iberital is well built [but not quite as solid as the rocky] and is a worm gear driven stepless grinder.
    You need to weigh up the advantages/disadvantages of stepless over stepped.

    You should talk to a site sponsor like Talk Coffee or Di Bartoli, you may also get to see them in action.
    Can anyone advise the best price on a Iberital Challenge? *Who sells them?
    Maybe, 3 counts and yer out with the Sunbeam EM0480 (I accidentally deleted my earlier post). *Thanks.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    I fixed my EM0480!!!!!!!! ;D ;) :) ::) :D :o
    I point the finger at the top burr, as being the culprit (it least in the too fine brigade).
    I found, when the top burr was removed from the grinder (with the help of a bright halogen lamp up close) that top burr was misaligned in its plastic housing when viewed upside down.
    One side of the burr metal ring is shaved flat, with a complimenting flat guide built into its plastic housing.
    The metal burr was twisted slightly, so the two flat surfaces were not meeting squarely, AND the burr was sticking out slightly above the plastic rim of its housing.
    With a flat screwdriver and a tack hammer I gently tapped the burr out of its housing.
    I cleaned both pieces thoroughly, removing the accumulated grind.
    I then carefully placed the metal top burr back in its plastic housing, making sure both flat surfaces are squarely aligned.
    This time the top burr is BELOW the plastic rim of its housing (i.e. when viewed upside down).
    Reassembled the grinder, aligning with both sets of arrows mention in the instruction booklet, and thats it!
    This time the grinder can grind at a reasonable volume at 1 (for Turkish) (where nothing was coming out before) and close to the normal range for espresso.
    And yes, coarse is coarse at 20 and above!
    It worked for me. I hope it works for others.
    Phil
    p.s. Dont attempt if youre not confident, of course. I could supply photos later.


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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1184026212/0#8 date=1184227458
    Ahh yes,

    Italian Espresso Machines, Grinders and er, the Users Manual (for want of a better term). Its always been like this unfortunately, the Italians are wonderful engineers and manufacturers but when it comes time to put the documentation together, well, it can be a little lacking in certain aspects.

    Luckily though, there are millions of owners of the ubiquitous Rocky and lots of info about getting the best from him and looking after him, is as easy as doing a quick search on Google. That reference to backing off the setting 6-7 notches is to do with establishing where true zero is and then backing away to establish a starting point to begin dialing in your espresso machine.

    Cheers,
    Mal.
    I came to the conclusion it was to do with calibration. I realy need pictures. I also read a review that said that they now come with a screw which I think sets zero at zero for novices like me. My grinder does not go past zero and that is where I can feel the burrs touch.
    I am just going to start grinding and find the best mark. It certainly feels tough and is quiet and does not spray the coffee like the Sunbeam. I would like the hopper to be removable so I could change coffee if I wanted.
    Anyway I am happy and free from the Sunbeam grinder, just hope EM6910 is built to last, so-far-so-good.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Important to reassemble correctly
    I was getting good grinds, then cleaned it, reassembled and wasnt getting good results, despite several attempts to reassemble.

    Finally cracked it - when reassembling do not twist the collar AT ALL before putting upper burr in and aligning with the arrows. I was making the mistake of turning the collar back to the "grind range" before putting the burr in - that gave crap results. The instruction manual isnt that clear. Have gone from disgruntled to happy.

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    Re: Sunbeam EMO480 fine is not fine enough

    Quote Originally Posted by 4247504F42514344260 link=1184026212/12#12 date=1320357791
    Important to reassemble correctly
    I was getting good grinds, then cleaned it, reassembled and wasnt getting good results, despite several attempts to reassemble.

    Finally cracked it - when reassembling do not twist the collar AT ALL before putting upper burr in and aligning with the arrows.* I was making the mistake of turning the collar back to the "grind range" before putting the burr in - that gave crap results.* The instruction manual isnt that clear.* Have gone from disgruntled to happy.
    Hi,
    Good to see you are happy with the results. I have been using a Sunbeam for a year or two but when I got the Silvia had to keep making the grind finer until I got to #6, then worked down to #3, but after a while found that was too fine and settled on #5. Now with the latest bag of beans I found I have to go back to #3 again and it still seems a bit too coarse. I dont think it has to do with the grinder but something about the beans.
    I always get the same variety of quality beans from a reputable roaster.

    Whats going on?
    Is it normal to expect such a variation in grind with each roast?
    Could the change be due to changed ambient weather conditions?

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