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    Grinder upgrade time!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Wooooo Hooooo ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

    Well, (on that place we wont mention).... Ive just bought myself a grinder upgrade....

    Looks pretty much like my present La Cimbali Jnr..... but is belt driven (at 380 rpm :o ) and has both conical and flat burrs....

    Its the one David Schomer designed.....

    So a new toy to play with in seeking that coffee nirvana! For those who want a good grinder Ill be looking for a new home for my La Cimbali Jnr after Ive done a full refurb on the new acquisition....

    Now waiting, waiting for the delivery!!!

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    What what what is the grinder called?:):)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1195112137/0#1 date=1195114940
    What what what is the grinder called?:):)
    Its a DRM.... which is now part of La Cimbali....

    They made the La Cimbali Jnr and Cadet..... which both have DRM burrs (just normal flat ones) and this "special" which has conical and flat burrs......

    But rather expensive for a second hand.... well pre loved grinder...

    However its a pretty unique piece of kit - and what price for a coffee passion ;)

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    I had a quick look and see quite a few identical listings.
    I was worried at first but recognise the seller.
    Same bloke I got my naked PF from.
    Nice fellow, I got a tour of his roastery when I picked up the PF.
    He has a HUGE roaster.

    Let us know how it goes.

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    Congratulations on the new toy, JavaB. Sounds intgriguing -belt driver, low speed for cool grinds, and BOTH types of burrs? Keep us posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto link=1195112137/0#4 date=1195125395
    Congratulations on the new toy, JavaB. Sounds intgriguing -belt driver, low speed for cool grinds, and BOTH types of burrs? Keep us posted.
    Yep.... ultra cool grinds..... and the conical burrs reduce the beans to uniform sized bits and they are then passed through the flat burrs (totally different design to normal flat burrs as they only do the fine grinding) where they are reduced to the correct size.... The quality has been compared favourably to high end conical grinders as far as the quality of grind and taste in the cup goes.... but not as fast (and who needs speed at home ::))

    Same micrometrical adjustment as the other La Cimbalis..... and a reasonable size as well.... so it looks like it will be my ultimate grinder 8-) 8-)

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    Congratulations, JavaB, sounds like a lot of fun. :)

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    Youll have to do a side-by-side cupping comparison with them JB before you part with the Junior... would be very interesting to hear your impressions,

    Mal.

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    Good stuff JavaB.
    I spotted that on Ebay and hoped that a CSr would pick it up.
    Great news!


    The other thing I thought about being belt driven might be that it is rock proof?
    Anything that wont grind (in my head anyway) might just cause the belt to slip and if it didnt then it could with a fairly simple adjustable belt tensioner.

    Look forward to seeing / hearing more about your new toy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1195112137/0#8 date=1195131240

    The other thing I thought about being belt driven might be that it is rock proof?
    Anything that wont grind (in my head anyway) might just cause the belt to slip and if it didnt then it could with a fairly simple adjustable belt tensioner.
    Thanks Andy..... I dont think the belt will slip.... like all La Cimbalis..... its built like a tank.... checkout the toothed belt in the picture below ::)

    It also has a 1/2 HP motor with a 4:1 reduction...... I dont think Id want to try and stall that :o!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1195112137/0#7 date=1195129306
    Youll have to do a side-by-side cupping comparison with them JB before you part with the Junior... would be very interesting to hear your impressions,

    Mal.

    Yep, was planning to try that Mal..... mind you I dont know how fine my palate is at tasting the small change Im expecting between the two.... after all the La Cimbali Jnr is a well respected espresso grinder in its own right..... but you dont know until you try!

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    Im new to all of this as Im just getting into espresso
    Any thoughts about purchasing a Gaggia MDF Grinder? Also, any thoughts about La Cimbali Liberty or Microcimbali?

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    Well done on your new purchase. Looks like a monster of a grinder. Keep us posted on your refurbishing

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    Quote Originally Posted by quabbin link=1195112137/0#11 date=1195166038
    Im new to all of this as Im just getting into espresso
    Any thoughts about purchasing a Gaggia MDF Grinder? Also, any thoughts about La Cimbali Liberty or Microcimbali?
    Hi quabbin and welcome to CoffeeSnobs,

    The MDF is a very capable grinder for home use, not quite as good as a rocky in my opinion.... but certainly will grind satisfactorily for espresso.

    The La Cimbali machines you mentioned are interesting lever machines which can make a great espresso..... well the first extraction each use....

    They use the same water for producing steam as well as extraction..... so it is well above the temperature which will burn the coffee..... however as you use the machine the group is cooler and cools the water down to the correct temperature.... but can only do that a couple of times in succession before it becomes hotter and therefore wont cool the water enough..... and you start getting burning of the coffee grinds......

    A great looking machine, very well built but can be a bit tricky to use effectively - especially if just starting out..... as you not only have to get the temperature correct but the pressure during the extraction - which you also control. It is truly a manual machine!

    Just starting off.... Id go for something less complicated - like the silvia..... might not look as impressive but FAR easier to use!!

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    Quote Originally Posted by quabbin link=1195112137/0#11 date=1195166038
    Im new to all of this as Im just getting into espresso
    Any thoughts about purchasing a Gaggia MDF Grinder? Also, any thoughts about La Cimbali Liberty or Microcimbali?
    Gday quabbin,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs...... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    This post is really Off Topic and you would be better off starting a new thread of your own in this category for grinders and "Brewing Equipment - Non Machine Specific" for any queries to do with suitable espresso machines. All the best mate and happy hunting.... :)

    Mal.

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    I dont think Id want to try and stall that
    Errr... after seeing that picture I agree.
    PS: Dont stick your fingers in there!
    ;)

    That thing could double as a truck starter motor.

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    WOW, JB, what a purchase!!
    i saw that one, and was thinking.... mmm.... but then i looked at Rob and thought i d better not push my luck any further!!

    i am soo intrigued by the way it grinds, with the 2 sets of burrs, that must deliver just-about micrometre precise grinds!!

    bugger, and now we are over here, and you are over there, and i cannot see it in action...
    make us video, WITH sound.. ??

    have lots of fun, JB,

    cheers,
    L

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    Great stuff JavaB

    Sorta sounds like the offspring of your LC-Junior and a Versalab.

    I too, wll be really interested to get your comparison notes: a side by side review, plus photos, its the least we expect!!!!

    Have I not read before, you saying, that youll never need to upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reubster link=1195112137/15#17 date=1195516283

    Have I not read before, you saying, that youll never need to upgrade?

    Eh.... well.... yep I have said that :-[

    But I guess I lied...... there is always something better just to tempt you to spend a few more dollars....

    Now where can I get a good, pre-loved Synesso at a bargain price ::) ::) ::)

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    Maybe I just dont get how this posting works, but hey, I did get two replies!
    So, thanks JavaB for the info on the Microcimbali. Im planning on purchasing this machine, if, after the store gives me lessons on its use, I feel confident to pull some shots. Ill have some good questions for the sales rep thanks to you.

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    Ok.... Im excited....

    After a couple of weeks overhauling the DRM (whilst making tampers for the Christmas rush!!) Ive just enjoyed my first espresso from the new beasie.... and Ive got to agree with David Schomer .... it does make a difference to the flavour in the cup..... a very pleasant difference.

    For those not familiar with the conical/flat burr set, this grinder uses the same burr set as the versalab m3..... or should I say the versalab m3 uses the DRM burr set.

    The conical burr does the bean breaking and the flat burr set does the medium and fine grinding..... so the path through the burrs is a lot longer and the rate of reduction in size is much slower (and the burr set only rotates at 360 rpm). It produces output at about 70% of the rate of the LC Jnr - so a bit slower.

    The flat burrs are a totally different design to those in normal flat burred grinders - no bean breaking area (normally a third - or more - of the burr) and the throat is much smaller (as the beans have already been "broken").

    So what does this mean in the cup? Well Ive just dialled it in.... and this is my first espresso.... but smoother more rounded taste and more subtle flavours come through better (and cleaner?)..... very nice!!!
    :) :)

    The grind also appears to be coarser than the LC Jnr for the same pour time (and it is dialed to a higher number from the reference - burrs touching - then the LC Jnr.... and both grinders are exactly the same pitch thread.... so that agrees....

    Will post some more test results and some happy snaps latter (when I can get some more time)

    Now Im just going to enjoy my espressos ;) :) :) :)

    And one last thing - it is one of the quietest grinders Ive ever heard.... with or without beans being ground.... it is almost impossible to hear the end of the grinding (I use measured amounts of beans for each pour)

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    Re: Grinder upgrade time!

    Good news JavaB. Not only a new toy to play with -- but one which produces tangible (or should that be tasteful) improved results. The pics will be a helpful aid in understanding the conical/flar configuration.

    Enjoy the well-earned fruits of your labour.

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    Happy days ahead grinding away JB (On Demand of course ;)). It is indeed a lovely looking piece of machinery. Heres some interesting pics, along with informative overviews:

    http://www.home-barista.com/forums/grinder-burr-types-explained-flat-conical-drm-t1672.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1195112137/15#22 date=1198047390
    Happy days ahead grinding away JB (On Demand of course ;)).
    Of course I always "GrindOnDemand"... except when I have a large group that Im making coffee for.... then beans in the hopper and fill the doser..... but that is the only time!

    The other interesting thing..... with the La Cimbali Jnr - 21 grams in the Synesso double just touched the showerscreen... the grinds from this grinder pack much closer (hence the need for the coarser grind I guess)... and I reckon I could get 24 grams in the basket before touching the showerscreen :o

    And the onset of blonding is also pushed further out....

    I must say this will be my last grinder ever...... its output quality has been compared favourably to the Kony.... but at only 450mm.... will easily fit under the bench cabinets (compared to the Konys 620mm)


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    awesome looking piece of equipment....the belt drive system has me spellbound.
    enjoy.

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    Last Grinder? I dont think so. Youve said that about upgrade ;D. When the "upgrade bug" crawls again, you know :P

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    Hi TommyLeeJones and welcome to CS.

    Yep, I know the upgrade bug is hard to resist..... but in this case there is little to upgrade to. A K10WBC or Kony might give slightly better results but are FAR too big (height) to fit into the kitchen......

    The only other reason would be if it failed - and as it has brand new burrs and is so solidly built - it will outlast me!

    So Im pretty safe this time (I think!).

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    Cimbali have made a new Hybrid grinder with both conical and flat burrs a mix of the Max and Junior grinders. Only available in USA though. http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/...ders/maxhybrid.

    Also a great thread leading up to the production of the Hybrid Cimbali http://www.home-barista.com/forums/l...-t3147-40.html

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    trumboli,

    Yep, seen that grinder before....

    It is similar to the DRM/Cimbali I have but they only use 64mm planar burrs (mine has 68mm) and they are direct drive (1400rpm compared to 360rpm for mine)....

    Probably an interesting grinder none the less -- but IMHO it would be FAR better if they had the slower speed grinding like my grinder and all the top conicals do (Mazzer Robur etc)..... however I guess gear/belt reductions are expensive.... and so they opted for direct drive on that model - sadly :( :(

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    Yeah JavaB you are right on both counts. I got a bit excited after seeing the Hybrid that I didnt straight away compare it exacty with your specs. He who in haste is lost!



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