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    Im about to go hardcore and purchase a serious machine and grinder....pretty much the works.
    I rather like the idea of the above grinder - being that every dose is freshly ground. I currently use a Presso (which is great & will keep for holidays away) and a Braun (I know!) grinder. What are your thoughts on this mazzer model; where can i get one; how much; has anyone used one etc.

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by Fairtrade link=1200293408/0#0 date=1200293408
    hi all
    Im about to go hardcore and purchase a serious machine and grinder....pretty much the works.
    I rather like the idea of the above grinder - being that every dose is freshly ground. *I currently use a Presso (which is great & will keep for holidays away) and a Braun (I know!) grinder. *What are your thoughts on this mazzer model; where can i get one; how much; has anyone used one etc.

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    Hi FT,

    You will find that many of the site sponsors can supply Mazzer (ourselves included).

    I am not personally overly crazy on the Mini-e.

    A new Macap Electronic doserless grinder has hit ground and will be available next week. Have a look at http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1189027777 which I think will be a superior grinder.

    Good luck!

    Chris

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Ive got a Mini Electronic. What do you want to know about it? Its my first serious grinder so I cant really compare it with anything else. It works well, neat - doesnt throw stray grounds all over the place, very solidly built, grinds dont clump together too badly (apparently its better in this respect than the standard Mini from what Ive read). The timer isnt terribly precise though (in terms of consistent weight doses), particularly if you swap between different beans regularly like I do. Uses a larger size burr set than the standard Mini from what I understand - same size as the Super Jolly uses.

    Where can you get one? Many of the site sponsors will have them (or be able to order them in)

    How much? Probably close to $1000.

    What else do you want to know?

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee link=1200293408/0#1 date=1200295247
    I am not personally overly crazy on the Mini-e.

    A new Macap Electronic doserless grinder ....... which I think will be a superior grinder.
    Can you elaborate? What have you got against the Mini-E? And in what way do you think the Macap will be superior?

    I just stumbled across a back-to-back test of these two grinders on Home Barista today, and from their comments, and the comments of others on that forum that have used both of these grinders, it appears that they consider the opposite to be the case. (Although they did appear to prefer the electronic dosing as being easier to use on the Macap compared to the Mini E)

    Refer: http://www.home-barista.com/forums/macap-m4-electronic-doserless-vs-mazzer-mini-e-espresso-grinder-t4128.html

    In particular, the main drawback mentioned appears to be the massive amount of clumping that the Macap doserless produces. See photos below:



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    and

    Next onto the M4 Doserless, .......... This grinder does clump a fair bit. WDT is your friend here. Using WDT, I was able to get a comparable shot to my own M4. You definitely need some mechanism to break up the clumps otherwise - channel city!

    Finally, onto the Mazzer Mini E, ......... Well, I have to say, definitely less clumping than the M4. ........ I have to admit to being a bit disappointed here because I do think I finally got a better shot out of the Mazzer than my M4. A little more, well defined, maybe less "muddled", not sure of the words but I did think the Mazzer had the best tasting shot.
    and their summary:

    Choosing between these two grinders isnt easy: The Mazzer Mini Electronic produces grounds that are nearly as clump free as from a doser grinder operated by an experienced barista and evenly distributes grounds without clogging. The Macap M4 Electronic Doserless produces more clumps and may clog with oily coffees or very find grind settings, but has an attractive and easily adjustable timer mechanism (**). In terms of containing the mess, its a wash: They both do a great job of directing grounds directly into the portafilter, though the Mazzer does have the advantage of a nice portafilter cradle for those too impatient to wait the seven seconds to grind enough coffee for a double. Those who prize neatness and are devotees of the Weiss Distribution Technique are unconcerned about clumping, giving an advantage to the Macap and its nifty adjustment. On the other hand, the fit and finish of the Mazzer line of grinders are the best in the business.
    and

    Generally speaking, doserless grinders clump more than their doser equivalents when operated by a skilled barista. But if youre shopping for a doserless grinder and are concerned about clumping, the Mazzer Mini Electronic is a winner.

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    As far as I can see Bill, there is one problem with the HB "evaluation"...

    A blind man can see that the grind setting used with the Macap is much finer, so its not surprising to see clumping- It would have happened with the Mazzer as well if it was at the same grind setting.

    Most people look at the Mazzer and think set and forget and that doesnt happen- especially if you want to updose. Setting the timers is fiddly as well.

    For a grinder with a RRP of nearly $1200, Id rather have a SJ....

    Chris

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee link=1200293408/0#5 date=1200514337
    As far as I can see Bill, there is one problem with the HB "evaluation"...

    A blind man can see that the grind setting used with the Macap is much finer, so its not surprising to see clumping- It would have happened with the Mazzer as well if it was at the same grind setting.
    Actually, someone asked about that on that same link above:

    Could you explain to us whether or not the grind size that you used for these photos was the same? The thought is that if the macap were grinding finer one would naturally expect it to spit out chunks.
    I adjusted both grinders using the same coffee to approximately the same pour volume / time. Youre right that the grind setting was quite fine since I was dosing to 14 grams.

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee link=1200293408/0#5 date=1200514337
    Most people look at the Mazzer and think set and forget and that doesnt happen- especially if you want to updose. Setting the timers is fiddly as well.

    For a grinder with a RRP of nearly $1200, Id rather have a SJ....

    Chris
    You couldnt "set and forget" any grinder though, could you?

    Well I paid nowhere near that price, but yes I agree with you that it is pretty pricey for what it is. It shouldnt be that much dearer than the doser Mini. But in the main area that counts, grind quality, can you fault it in that regard?



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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill link=1200293408/0#7 date=1200520642
    You couldnt "set and forget" any grinder though, could you?

    Well I paid nowhere near that price, but yes I agree with you that it is pretty pricey for what it is. It shouldnt be that much dearer than the doser Mini. But in the main area that counts, grind quality, can you fault it in that regard?

    Bill
    No Bill- youre right- however I recall a VERY ANGRY CSer demanding a full refund. He purchased a Compak K3T (which does the job just as well as a Mazzer for under 1/2 price) and was put out because the expectation was set the grind, then one or two touches and nothing else.

    People see bad cafes use these grinders in this way and think problem solved ;)..

    Mazzer products skyrocketed in price when supply was reestablished under the new importer last year so if you managed to find an old one at a great price, well done! Sadly, the days of a keenly priced mazzer are well over. The Robur for example has gone from a retail price of around $2400 to almost $3000 *:o

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    I didnt realise Mazzers had gone up that much in price! I like my Mini-E, but I must admit that I probably wouldn’t buy one again if it were that sort of price.

    I like the neatness of the doserless funnel, grinding on demand, not having stale grinds sitting in a dosing chamber, but I’ll admit that I’m not all that crazy about the timing mechanism. The weight of grounds it throws varies from shot to shot by more than I hoped it would, (probably no better or worse than other electronic doserless grinders though). Weight it throws also varies when you make a grind adjustment, or change between different batches of beans, so I tend not to really use that feature of it now. Just having the doserless funnel and an on/off switch would’ve been good enough. I don’t think having an electronic timer really adds much in useability, not enough to justify hundreds of dollars extra anyway.

    So, in hindsight, after using this machine for some time now, I probably wouldn’t pay much premium over a doser model for the doserless (any doserless, not just the Mini), and would seriously consider a doser type grinder in the same price range instead, if it produced a superior grind for the price.


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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Thanks you for your opinions - much appreciated. :)

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    Hi guys,

    I dont want to delve too much into this one, but I basically have the opposite point of view from Chris, as we both explained in the grinder info thread.

    My main reason for liking the mini-E is that I think that it is by a very large margin the cleanest domestic grinder out there. *Chris and I used a mini-E together a while ago and I must admit that that grinder sprayed a disappointing amount of ground coffee, but the ones that I have used since have been extremely impressive in that regard. *The funnel/grid/deflector system is wierd, but works very well. *Mazzer obviously thought that it was worth patenting - check it out

    As Chris says, you will probably get very little joy out of the timer if you want to get it to meter out a precise dose. *Changing the time requires a screwdriver and no-one has yet mentioned that sometimes if you like a really big dose you cant adjust the grinder to grind long enough. *That said, I have successfully used it in "set and forget" mode a few times for making multiple coffees in a row.

    In addition to cleanliness, I like the mini-E because it allows for a somewhat unique work flow. *You adjust the double shot button to give you 90% of what you want and put the PF in the holder whilst the grinder grinds. *This gives you time to go and fill your milk jug, scrub the group ... whatever you would do if you had a dosered grinder, basically. *Then you come back and top up the grind manually. *I found this a much more satisfying way to go because whenever you adjust the grind, you throw the timer out of whack on any grinder.

    For a grinder with a RRP of nearly $1200, Id rather have a SJ....
    I agree that the mini-E is pricey for what it offers, but I think that its a grinder that you buy if youre interested in a certain feature set and the price isnt a big deal. *I have a SJ and was going to grab a Mini-E to take up to Sydney. *Unfortunately, I never got around to arranging it. *If you have a decent Mini-E around and want to trade, Im all ears!

    He purchased a Compak K3T (which does the job just as well as a Mazzer for under 1/2 price) and was put out because the expectation was set the grind, then one or two touches and nothing else.
    I dont think that its fair to say that the K3T does the job as well as a Mini E, but it is certainly fair to say that it has a massive bang to buck ratio. *The mini-E is cleaner, faster, possibly yields better pours, it has a pf holder, has two timers instead of setting one and doubling it, from memory it clumps marginally less and it has a grind on demand button. *(That last one was something that I always found wierd on the K3T ... who wants to stand there holding the PF while the machine controls the grind time, then you have to shut it off ... if youre going to be standing there, wouldnt it make more sense to be able to manually cut it off?) *Whether or not those features are worth the massive step up in price is something that people need to decide for themselves, and I suspect that many would decide against the mini-E. *The interesting thing is that were even comparing the K3T with the mini to start off with. *Given the price of the K3T, one would have to think that it utterly blows the Rocky out of the market. *But I guess that, as you say, its all about choosing the box of compromises that youre most happy to live with.

    No-one is ever going to say that the mini-E is cheap, represents great value for money or has an easy to use timer system. *But if those things arent important criteria for you, I think that it is worthwhile considering. It is definitely a grinder that you want to buy with your eyes open.

    Cheers,

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    *(That last one was something that I always found wierd on the K3T ... who wants to stand there holding the PF while the machine controls the grind time, then you have to shut it off ... if youre going to be standing there, wouldnt it make more sense to be able to manually cut it off?) *Whether or not those features are worth the massive step up in price is something that people need to decide for themselves, and I suspect that many would decide against the mini-E. *The interesting thing is that were even comparing the K3T with the mini to start off with. *Given the price of the K3T, one would have to think that it utterly blows the Rocky out of the market. *But I guess that, as you say, its all about choosing the box of compromises that youre most happy to live with.

    Hi everyone,

    Not very familiar with cutting and pasting - so apologies if I have not got that part of it right. But just wanted to clarify Lucas point.

    With the Compak K3 Touch - you can stop the grinder at any time with the on/off switch located on the left side of the grinder even during the timed grinding function.

    cheers,

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    You adjust the double shot button to give you 90% of what you want and put the PF in the holder whilst the grinder grinds. *This gives you time to go and fill your milk jug, scrub the group ... whatever you would do if you had a dosered grinder, basically. *Then you come back and top up the grind manually. *I found this a much more satisfying way to go because whenever you adjust the grind, you throw the timer out of whack on any grinder.
    Yes, thats more or less how I use it.


    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    The mini-E ... <snip> ... and it has a grind on demand button. *(That last one was something that I always found wierd on the K3T ... who wants to stand there holding the PF while the machine controls the grind time, then you have to shut it off ...
    That seems odd to me if the K3T doesnt have a grind on demand button. I use that feature all the time on the Mini-E. I cant imagine using the grinder without it.


    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    I agree that the mini-E is pricey for what it offers, but I think that its a grinder that you buy if youre interested in a certain feature set and the price isnt a big deal.
    Yes, Id agree with that. So would it be fair to say that if someone wants the best doserless grinder available, and doesnt mind the price, that the Mini-E would be the best option?



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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Hi Bill,
    My two cents worth (and I will give it for free) :)

    There is never a best coffee grinder, just as there is never a best espresso machine, nor a best motor cycle or turnip peeler.

    To me, the best grinder is the one that makes you a great coffee and doesnt leave you wishing you hadnt spent as much or bought another one !

    I had had a Rocky Doserless, which was fantastic.
    I now have a MACAP M5 which is also fantastic.

    I purchased my MACAP due to a great price and great reviews, and have never wished for anything else.

    The new MACAP that was discussed earlier will likely keep the Mazer Mini-e honest (hey, its a MACAP, I have to be biased :P) but whether either is the best, only the individual will ever know.

    I read the HB review sometime ago and remember it saying that the MACAP unit was an early model and may be undergoing some modifications, so its maybe unfair to trust a single review of a BETA version grinder and compare it to the Mazer, an in production model.

    And there is the old bugbear, any US based review will be using hardware on 110volt versus 220volt motors.




    Hi Chris, I looked at the grind pics and I must aggree with you, the grind on the MACAP does look finer, and I am not even blind ;D ... mostly


    Hi Fairtrade, I would advise you to go play with the Mazer, the MACAP and any other grinder that a site sponsor has available. I played with quite a few grinders before I purchased mine, and even just touching the unit to test its build quality ot fit and finish may be something that can help sway your decision .. oh, and maybe grind some beans and test the brew whilst yor at it :D

    Its only 9:15pm, so off to the kitchen to make the MACAP purr , then make myself a flat white !!

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by BeanBrat link=1200293408/0#14 date=1200650915
    I read the HB review sometime ago and remember it saying that the MACAP unit was an early model and may be undergoing some modifications, so its maybe unfair to trust a single review of a BETA version grinder and compare it to the Mazer, an in production model.
    Their initial test was with a pre-production model, however if you read the complete link above youll see that they later obtained the production model to test and said the results obtained (ie. the clumping) looked virtually identical to what they experienced on the pre-production version.

    The production version of the Macap M4 Doserless Electronic arrived and Ive had a couple weeks to test it. There are some minor tweaks to the exit chute mechanism, but the reduced clumping is small enough that the original photo from earlier in this thread accurately represents the production model:


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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    another quote from that link:

    Both grinders clump more when the setting is finer, but the visual difference between the two in terms of clumping remains for the espresso settings I tried (14 to 18 grams from double espresso to double ristretto). That is, the photos posted earlier are the "worst case," but the difference would still be visually evident at other espresso grind settings.

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill link=1200293408/0#13 date=1200615654
    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    The mini-E ... <snip> ... and it has a grind on demand button. *(That last one was something that I always found wierd on the K3T ... who wants to stand there holding the PF while the machine controls the grind time, then you have to shut it off ...
    That seems odd to me if the K3T doesnt have a grind on demand button. I use that feature all the time on the Mini-E. I cant imagine using the grinder without it.
    Sorry, I forgot that the K3T has a three position switch when I typed that up. *One position is off, another is timer. *In timer mode, you wham the pf against the lever once to grind a single shot and twice to grind a double. *You can stop the machine grinding by turning it off at the power switch. *Timer adjustment is via a little knob on the bottom of the grinder, which actually tilts back relatively easily. *as far as I know, you only set one time and the grinder doubles it for the double shot. *There is a delay of a second or two after whamming the pf against the lever before it starts grinding in timer mode, presumably so that the machine knows whether or not you have whammed for a single or a double. *The third position on the switch is a constant grind button, which is presumably intended to be used for the odd occasion when you want to grind for french press or cupping or whatever. *This constant grind setting can be used for grind on demand, but I found it a bit wierd when theres this big stiking lever in front of your PF that just seems to scream out "hold me down and I will grind." *The grinder has come a long, long way since I first saw it a few years ago - back then it extruded a solid block of compressed coffee ... utterly useless. *Compak seems to respond to customer demand fairly quickly, so it will be especially interesting to see how/if the K3T evolves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bill link=1200293408/0#13 date=1200615654
    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    I agree that the mini-E is pricey for what it offers, but I think that its a grinder that you buy if youre interested in a certain feature set and the price isnt a big deal.
    Yes, Id agree with that. So would it be fair to say that if someone wants the best doserless grinder available, and doesnt mind the price, that the Mini-E would be the best option?
    If by "doesnt mind the price," you mean that price is irrelevant, Im sure that something like a Mahlkoenig K30 Vario, a Brasilia Competition grinder, an Elektra Kappa, a La Marzocco "S" or the new Robur-E would be a much better grinder. *MUCH better, in the case of that last one ... and especially drool-worthy in three phase, Id imagine! *If by "doesnt mind the price," you mean that someone doesnt mind paying up to whatever the mini-E goes for these days, then I personally cant think of anything that I would pick ahead of the Mini-E because have already used it several times and like how it works. *Between the two, you start hitting the cheaper but nicer commercial grinders. *But you already own one, why do you care what I think?! *

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond C Services link=1200293408/0#12 date=1200605688
    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/0#11 date=1200574371
    *(That last one was something that I always found wierd on the K3T ... who wants to stand there holding the PF while the machine controls the grind time, then you have to shut it off ... if youre going to be standing there, wouldnt it make more sense to be able to manually cut it off?) *Whether or not those features are worth the massive step up in price is something that people need to decide for themselves, and I suspect that many would decide against the mini-E. *The interesting thing is that were even comparing the K3T with the mini to start off with. *Given the price of the K3T, one would have to think that it utterly blows the Rocky out of the market. *But I guess that, as you say, its all about choosing the box of compromises that youre most happy to live with.

    Hi everyone,

    Not very familiar with cutting and pasting - so apologies if I have not got that part of it right. But just wanted to clarify Lucas point.

    With the Compak K3 Touch - you can stop the grinder at any time with the on/off switch located on the left side of the grinder even during the timed grinding function.

    cheers,

    Michael
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    Whoops, sorry Michael, didnt see your post there! Nice to see you around these parts.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/15#17 date=1200658890
    If by "doesnt mind the price," you mean that someone doesnt mind paying up to whatever the mini-E goes for these days, ....
    Yes, something like that. Not at any price! And I guess I was also talking in the context of home usage. Im not familiar with most of those grinders you mentioned, but I cant imagine using something the size of the Robur in the home! :o


    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1200293408/15#17 date=1200658890
    But you already own one, why do you care what I think?!
    Well Im mainly asking to clarify the point for the original poster, who presumably is prepared to pay up to that sort of price range, or else wouldnt be asking about it.


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    Hi
    Yes Bill, i am prepared to pay that much which is why I initially queried re mazzer mini e. I am very thankful for EVERYONES advice. Ive just purchased a Faema e98 and my Braun grinder will look pathetic next to it...not to mention performance factor!

    I am now probably more interested in the B model as it doesnt have the extra curly cord attached...i wasnt aware of the cord on A model when I first saw the pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairtrade link=1200293408/15#20 date=1200705285
    I am now probably more interested in the B model as it doesnt have the extra curly cord attached...i wasnt aware of the cord on A model when I first saw the pics.
    Im not sure if model B is imported into Australia. It wasnt by the old importers, but now that theres a new importer that might have changed.

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Hi Luca
    I had a feeling that might be the case...had not seen any discussion on that model...I also found out on a site last night that it now comes with a short squat hopper which is much better for domestic use.

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    FYI the B model is not imported into Australia. Also, the shorter hopper is not available either :(...

    Its a good opportunity to find a buddy un the US....

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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    The extra-short hopper is available for purchase separately from online US suppliers though.



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    Re: mazzer mini electronic A

    Hi Fairtrade, if you have not read this thread it may be worth a quick look

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1201213314

    Looks like the Mini-e has some competition. :o

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